Damn, console gamers hate us

[JumBie]

Just came across this somehow....can't believe how many people signed it. Seriously, the hate is real.

http://www.change.org/p/rockstar-games-dont-make-a-pc-version-of-gta-v

 

[VirtualLarry]

Wow, stupidity.

 

[Bateluer]

Thats old. /r/games, /r/gaming, /r/pcgaming, and /r/pcmasterrace ran it into the ground.

In the end, Rockstar was just a little slow with the PC version of GTA5.

 

[gorcorps]

You say this like there's no hate for console gamers from this group. All I hear is whining that everything would be better if it wasn't for consoles, wah wah wah.

Maybe I'm just getting older, but every side of the gaming community makes me sick. It's embarrassing

 

[Bateluer]

You say this like there's no hate for console gamers from this group. All I hear is whining that everything would be better if it wasn't for consoles, wah wah wah.

Maybe I'm just getting older, but every side of the gaming community makes me sick. It's embarrassing

PC gamers don't have hate for console gamers. Its pity. Its the weak hardware, overpriced games, and anti-consumer tactics we hate.

 

[JumBie]

PC gamers don't have hate for console gamers. Its pity. Its the weak hardware, overpriced games, and anti-consumer tactics we hate.

I have to agree with this. At the end of the day, a console is just a computer that is proprietary to a company. Console gamer's don't understand that what they are purchasing is a low-mid level computer, OS, and exclusive games. At the end of the day really, is exclusivity worth it? You may see at most 1 or 2 games a year that are exclusive to either console. Developers know that there is a huge market to capitalize on within the pc gaming community, they would never turn their back on it. Hence the reason all major releases are seen across all platforms. I don't hate "console gamers", I just find it sad that they don't really understand what they are paying for. They look at PC's as if you need to upgrade every single year in order to keep up with the consoles, it just doesn't make sense.

Also, look at the level of games being released on the pc. If there was ever a time to enter the pc gaming market, its now. We have a never ending supply of creative games that provide us with beautiful single player experiences or captivating multi-player ones. Not to mention the fact that the sales alone within the pc digital market make it worth while.

 

[Artorias]

If only developers could build a game for PC specs, then just downgrade that for consoles. Best of both worlds but no one seems to do that.

 

[Dankk]

Maybe I'm just getting older, but every side of the gaming community makes me sick. It's embarrassing

Yup, I feel embarassed for the overwhelming majority of the gaming community. Makes me ashamed to tell people that I like video games.

 

[Veliko]

I have to agree with this. At the end of the day, a console is just a computer that is proprietary to a company. Console gamer's don't understand that what they are purchasing is a low-mid level computer, OS, and exclusive games. At the end of the day really, is exclusivity worth it? You may see at most 1 or 2 games a year that are exclusive to either console. Developers know that there is a huge market to capitalize on within the pc gaming community, they would never turn their back on it. Hence the reason all major releases are seen across all platforms. I don't hate "console gamers", I just find it sad that they don't really understand what they are paying for. They look at PC's as if you need to upgrade every single year in order to keep up with the consoles, it just doesn't make sense.

What on earth is this nonsense?

 

[Veliko]

PC gamers don't have hate for console gamers. Its pity. Its the weak hardware, overpriced games, and anti-consumer tactics we hate.

Are there any other hobbyist groups that are as insecure of their assumed superiority as PC gamers are?

I'm yet to find one.

 

[JumBie]

What on earth is this nonsense?

Yeah I just read it back and it makes no sense, its just a bunch of words put together. You must forgive me as I have had a few too many beers.

 

[Fire&Blood]

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Of course those dirty masses are full of hate. It's just the natural state for them.

 

[Annisman*]

Hahaha perfect

 

[Aikouka]

Yup, I feel embarassed for the overwhelming majority of the gaming community. Makes me ashamed to tell people that I like video games.

Honestly, it's pretty pathetic if someone gives you crap simply because you play video games. It's just as bad to stereotype someone on such frivolous grounds as it is to behave the way that some gamers have been over the past month or so. I have absolutely no problem telling anyone that I play video games, and no one seems to care if anyone else plays games either. If I asked most people around me, they probably would have no idea what this "GamerGate" thing is. Most people are too busy asking me if my iPhone 6 plus has bent yet.

 

[Annisman*]

Didn't they do some recent study and like 40% of gamers are over the age of 40 or something ? Though I'm sure that is mostly casual games.

 

[DigDog]

the correct phrase is not "console gamers" but "console casuals".

 

[BSim500]

You say this like there's no hate for console gamers from this group. All I hear is whining that everything would be better if it wasn't for consoles, wah wah wah.

We don't hate console gamers. We just hate mediocre console ports by lazy developers. If you want to hear real childish whining try the "teh XB1 sucks vs Sony fanboys r retards" style threads. A lot of what console owners perceive as "hate" & "whining" is simply pointing out alternatives of what's available to buy (that shatter the usual "OMG, you need a $3k PC to match an Xbox" straw-man) plus correcting their common shared fallacies that used to be true, but no longer are today. Many of the more insecure then respond to those corrections as if they were some attack on the existence of their very soul essence...

And yes, the practice of designing for the lowest common denominator then porting "up" (or just "sideways") is obviously going to result in a far inferior experience than designing for the best platform then porting down. There are games that have "got it right" for all platforms (eg, Dragon Age Origins), and plenty of other cross-platform games that manage to work with little overall compromise (eg, Bioshock, Deus Ex HR, Dishonored, etc), so people are hardly demanding the impossible, just a little less developer laziness / "one size fits all" dogma that would itself eliminate 90% of the grievances PC gamers have with consoles holding things back.

In short - PC gamers are more p*ssed off with lazy developers, stagnating systems & the overall half-broken approach / attitude to porting than harbor any personal hatred against console owners on an individual level.

Didn't they do some recent study and like 40% of gamers are over the age of 40 or something ? Though I'm sure that is mostly casual games.

PC demographics are different to console's. Eg, the average gamer's age is something like 35-37, and yet the "Xbox 360’s largest percentage of users were in the 12-17 age group". Even excluding casual games, PC gamers still tend to be something like 21-45 on average whilst console gamers weighted lower at 12-26).

 

[TheSlamma]

Yup, I feel embarassed for the overwhelming majority of the gaming community. Makes me ashamed to tell people that I like video games.

I don't know what happened in the last 3 or 4 years but the discussions on Steam have become totally out of hand with the rants and raves.

And it feels like Steam doesn't want to deal with it as they don't want to lose those people as customers cause they know mature games are not at all in the majority. It's one thing to be funny and sarcastic, but I've seen threads that basically threaten the dev's livelihood on multiple occasions.

 

[Tarvaln]

I think consoles are important to PC gaming. I think consoles push PC hardware and game developers. This has been my experience for the past few generations of consoles.

Console X will come out. It takes about two years for developers to really harness the abilities of that console. PC gamers complain that consoles look better. Then PC hardware manufactures play "catch up". By the 4th or 5th year of the console's life, PC will overtake it. Console gamers complain that PC looks better. Then about a year later another console comes out.

Now, "harnessing the abilities of the console" has been watered down a bit due to cross platform developing. Developers simply use the lowest common denominator for hardware specs.

As stated above, I don't think "PC" gamers hate "Console" gamers. We hate lazy developers. However, PC gamers do like to brag about saving money on games and I'm sure console gamers hate that.

 

[Majcric]

Yeah I just read it back and it makes no sense, its just a bunch of words put together. You must forgive me as I have had a few too many beers.

FWIW, I didn't any problem understanding what you wrote. ...And I'm not drinking.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I didn't either. Most of it has already been touched on:

1. Generations ago, consoles pushed PC's. That is no longer true (wasn't really true middle of last gen and even worse this gen). Consoles are officially holding back progress. However, that being said, the large shift to mobile gaming (and we're talking phones/tablets) has thrown another kink into the mix.

2. Rather than creating at the top level (which they are developed on anyway) then ported to consoles, and separate teams competing to make the best version, they now create at the lowest level with the caveat that they want the experience to be the same regardless of platform (and one team doing all the work). What is funny is that many companies use CGI and sparklier than release PC dev versions to hype their game, later leading to disappointment and false advertising.

3. There is still this outdated thought that you need a $3k pc that you have to upgrade every 6 months to be able to play games on a PC. Just not remotely true and hasn't been for years. This can partly be because consoles are now (and have been) holding back true innovation and boundary pushing. One impacts the other.

Overall, gaming is at its pinnacle when devs develop for one platform. Meaning, exclusives. Games made for PC, games made for MS, Sony, etc. Those tend to be the games that shine.

 

[MongGrel]

PC gamers don't pay much attention I guess.

Has always been my feeling over the years, till they go ballistic because they bought a console to begin with I suppose and get butthurt I guess.

You get what you pay for.

Desktop PC's are a thing of the past remember, they are dying off.

*many times over the years*



:sneaky:

 

[ImpulsE69]

I forgot to mention, the basis of that petition is born of utter ignorance, which permeates many console gamers these days. When I say that I mean, the people I know who are console (only) gamers, are technically challenged and really have no clue about computers aside from what they get from whatever news source they may look at.

 

[MongGrel]

I've never had a period in my time that been building then the last 25 years I've really ever seen a console push a PC over performance, other than they are cheaper.