Daily Kos And Obama Site Using Forged Birth Certificate?

[Butterbean]

Some weeks ago, there was speculation about Obama's birth status and citizenship. Obama's reported birth certificate was then posted on the Daily Kos:

"Obama's birth certificate"
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168

Obama's campaign and "Fight The Smears" site confirmed the birth certificate and listed it on their site:

"The truth about Barack's birth certificate"
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert


Now it has turned out the certificate is a fake/forgery

"Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fake Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same Daily Kos blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the diligent detective work of independent investigative journalists (led by JimJ and Texas Darling) and imaging professionals such as Polarik in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate The Daily Kos, a "progressive" blog site, and the Obama campaign's "Fight the Smears" website, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance. Moreover, the blog and the campaign have been negligent in allowing the promotion of obviously forged and fake official documents together with the purported image of Obama's birth certificate."

"Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims"
http://web.israelinsider.com/A...les/Politics/12956.htm

 

[sandorski]

Keep on reaching. You might actually convince someone yet.

 

[Moonbeam]

McCain was sewn together from pieces of people in a N Viet Nam prison camp. He's a Chimera.

 

[JJChicken]

Uh-oh. They found out I'm a muslim.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
McCain was sewn together from pieces of people in a N Viet Nam prison camp. He's a Chimera.

Frankencain!!! :Q:Q

 

[aphex]

People are really going to blame Obama for a possible mistake made by whomever runs his website? Seriously?

 

[nageov3t]

so there's still a HOPE that Hillary could win the democratic nomination? :laugh:

 

[Moonbeam]

Yup and he has has 7 or 8 birth certificates, some of them North Vietnamese.

 

[Moonbeam]

Where's the law that an underage American giving birth doesn't confer her citizenship?

 

[dahunan]

bean is sure Obama was born in Islamabad and is trying to hide it

BTW>> Look at your experts word usage ... talk about reaching "in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance" ***I thouhg HE WAS SURE... he is the expert criminal... right?

 

[Sacrilege]

</mentally retarded>
</thread>

 

[RY62]

The Obama campaign has launched an investigation into the little mistake of a forged copy of the Senator's birth certificate which appeared on his website. Insiders say they have several theories as to why the forged copy was displayed instead of the original. The leading theory is that the original certificate was in the possession of his white grandmother and she was too far under the bus for staffers to retrieve it. An alternate theory suggests that the original was scanned and then somehow PhotoShopped by Fox News prior to being uploaded.

The Obama campaign also points out that just because his birth certificate is a fake does not nessesarilly mean that Obama himself is a fake.

 

[dahunan]

Uh... so what is it you Stormfronters think he is hiding ... why do you want us to think he has a fake birth certificate and made it this far past the CIA and SS et al ...

Is he not even an American citizen?

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Where's the law that an underage American giving birth doesn't confer her citizenship?

"US Law very clearly states: ?. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one?s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.? Barack Obama?s father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

Obama?s mother was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama?s birth, but-after-age-16.

In essence, Mother alone is not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, 2 years elapsed from his mother turning 16 to the time of Barack Obama?s birth when she was 18. His mother would have needed to have been 16 + 5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama?s birth for him to be a natural-born citizen. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at the time his mother would have needed to be to allow him natural citizenship from his only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama should have been naturalized as a citizen . . but that would disqualify him from holding the office.

The Constitution clearly declares: Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, any other information does not matter because his mother is the one who must fulfill the requirement to be a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16.

Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the USA for some time frame to protect any citizenship he might have had, rather than living in Indonesia. This is very clear cut and a glaring violation of U.S. Election law."

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/

 

[Butterbean]

Keep in mind BO is a stickler for paperwork and won elections because of it

"Obama played hardball in first Chicago campaign"

"In his first race for office, seeking a state Senate seat on Chicago's gritty South Side in 1996, Obama effectively used election rules to eliminate his Democratic competition.

As a community organizer, he had helped register thousands of voters. But when it came time to run for office, he employed Chicago rules to invalidate the voting petition signatures of three of his challengers.

The move denied each of them, including incumbent Alice Palmer, a longtime Chicago activist, a place on the ballot. It cleared the way for Obama to run unopposed on the Democratic ticket in a heavily Democrat district.

"That was Chicago politics," said John Kass, a veteran Chicago Tribune columnist. "Knock out your opposition, challenge their petitions, destroy your enemy, right? It is how Barack Obama destroyed his enemies back in 1996 that conflicts with his message today. He may have gotten his start registering thousands of voters. But in that first race, he made sure voters had just one choice."


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...st.campaign/index.html

It's not even known if BO's parents were really married since only Granny has said they were . The father still had a wife in Kenya - s supposed reason for the "split" when BO was 2. There were rumors BO wasnt even born in Hawaii but thats just speculation of course. There have also been concerns about the religion and nationality of father as listed on any certificate. In any case, BO's campaign has refused to show any birth documents. McCain's birth was upheld by congress and Obamas legal advisor Mr Tribe.

 

[miketheidiot]

butterbean is an idiot

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
butterbean is an idiot

That's not what your avatar says.

 

[fallout man]

Sounds GAY.

 

[rockyct]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Some weeks ago, there was speculation about Obama's birth status and citizenship. Obama's reported birth certificate was then posted on the Daily Kos:

"Obama's birth certificate"
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168

Obama's campaign and "Fight The Smears" site confirmed the birth certificate and listed it on their site:

"The truth about Barack's birth certificate"
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert


Now it has turned out the certificate is a fake/forgery

"Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fake Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same Daily Kos blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the diligent detective work of independent investigative journalists (led by JimJ and Texas Darling) and imaging professionals such as Polarik in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate The Daily Kos, a "progressive" blog site, and the Obama campaign's "Fight the Smears" website, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance. Moreover, the blog and the campaign have been negligent in allowing the promotion of obviously forged and fake official documents together with the purported image of Obama's birth certificate."

"Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims"
http://web.israelinsider.com/A...les/Politics/12956.htm

buwhahahahahahahaha, <gasp> you can't be serious. You're even funnier than that 9/11 conspiracy guy who was hanging around here for a while.

Keep up the laughs :thumbsup:

 

[JD50]

This is a really important issue, I'm sure this will decide the outcome of the election.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Where's the law that an underage American giving birth doesn't confer her citizenship?

"US Law very clearly states: ?. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one?s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.? Barack Obama?s father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

Obama?s mother was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama?s birth, but-after-age-16.

In essence, Mother alone is not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, 2 years elapsed from his mother turning 16 to the time of Barack Obama?s birth when she was 18. His mother would have needed to have been 16 + 5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama?s birth for him to be a natural-born citizen. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at the time his mother would have needed to be to allow him natural citizenship from his only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama should have been naturalized as a citizen . . but that would disqualify him from holding the office.

The Constitution clearly declares: Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, any other information does not matter because his mother is the one who must fulfill the requirement to be a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16.

Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the USA for some time frame to protect any citizenship he might have had, rather than living in Indonesia. This is very clear cut and a glaring violation of U.S. Election law."

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli


You lose.

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Where's the law that an underage American giving birth doesn't confer her citizenship?

"US Law very clearly states: ?. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one?s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.? Barack Obama?s father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

Obama?s mother was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama?s birth, but-after-age-16.

In essence, Mother alone is not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, 2 years elapsed from his mother turning 16 to the time of Barack Obama?s birth when she was 18. His mother would have needed to have been 16 + 5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama?s birth for him to be a natural-born citizen. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at the time his mother would have needed to be to allow him natural citizenship from his only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama should have been naturalized as a citizen . . but that would disqualify him from holding the office.

The Constitution clearly declares: Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, any other information does not matter because his mother is the one who must fulfill the requirement to be a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16.

Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the USA for some time frame to protect any citizenship he might have had, rather than living in Indonesia. This is very clear cut and a glaring violation of U.S. Election law."

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli


You lose.

That's interesting Mill but I don't lose anything because this forgery story isn't primarily about citizenship. A reason Obama was aksed for a birth certificate was because people didn't even know if Obama was even born in Hawaii if they dont have a certificate (its not like he came from the most stable people) . Keep in mind McCain was certified by congress after lots of media (including NT Times) wondered about McCain's status.

However the laws at the time apply to Obama's citizenship (they changed in 1986 or so)and his presidential campaign don't matter to me and in truth I am just learning these. He has a passport so I would assume he has some sort of documents. The greater facts are libs are manufacturing fake documents in a Presidential election - again.

The LA Times linked to the same documents with this update " In reaction to some of the comments left below challenging the veracity of the document, Ben LaBolt, an Obama campaign spokesman, sent the following reaction to The Ticket: "I can confirm that that is Sen. Obama's birth certificate."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...08/06/obama-birth.html

So major media outlets and Obama's "stop the fud" website is showing fake documents. Even if Obama was born in Washington DC he still made this mess by refusing to issue basic documents (for whatever reason) and now he's got fake stuff on his site.

Obama loses

 

[rockyct]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

That's interesting Mill but I don't lose anything because this forgery story isn't primarily about citizenship. A reason Obama was aksed for a birth certificate was because people didn't even know if Obama was even born in Hawaii if they dont have a certificate (its not like he came from the most stable people) . Keep in mind McCain was certified by congress after lots of media (including NT Times) wondered about McCain's status.

However the laws at the time apply to Obama's citizenship (they changed in 1986 or so)and his presidential campaign don't matter to me and in truth I am just learning these. He has a passport so I would assume he has some sort of documents. The greater facts are libs are manufacturing fake documents in a Presidential election - again.

The LA Times linked to the same documents with this update " In reaction to some of the comments left below challenging the veracity of the document, Ben LaBolt, an Obama campaign spokesman, sent the following reaction to The Ticket: "I can confirm that that is Sen. Obama's birth certificate."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...08/06/obama-birth.html

So major media outlets and Obama's "stop the fud" website is showing fake documents. Even if Obama was born in Washington DC he still made this mess by refusing to issue basic documents (for whatever reason) and now he's got fake stuff on his site.

Obama loses

If that document is faked, then rabbit hole goes quite deep:
( http://politifact.com/truth-o-...h-certificate-part-ii/ )

"When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.

'It?s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,' spokesman Janice Okubo told us."

...

"When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it?s identical). But every answer triggered more questions.

And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate?s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?

Because if this document is forged, then they all are.

If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State?s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies."

...

"The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama?s birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.

'I guess the big issue that?s being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,' Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. 'Because they scanned the front ? you wouldn?t see those things.'

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received. "


The document on the site is real. Government officials say it's real. Obama was born in Hawaii. Find something else to start another conspiracy thread.

/end thread

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Nice post, Rocky. That does indeed appear to lay this issue to rest.

Butterbean, since you're so confident "Obama loses," want to lay a wager on the general election? My $100 says he wins.

 

[umbrella39]

Wonders who Butterbean was during the last election cycle.. this kind of hatred takes years to cultivate and insidiously gets worse and worse to the point of banstick. Keep up the good work Butter.