Very new ground indeed. The subject of dark matter has fascinated me since the moment I heard of it. I lack some of the basic understanding of the thinking around it but I think that dark matter, energy, matter and anti-matter could be products of one another. That they are able to "co-exist" in an unbalanced equilibrium.
Well you're perfectly welcome to feel this way, but it doesn't mean you are right.Well since abiogenesis isn't really a Scientific theory and more like a hypothesis, and evolution does not even attempt to explain the origin of Life, then yes..
Yes I did know this, but that only happens in Space. We're talking about Life on Earth the last time I checked..
Unless you're trying to tell me that Life originated in Space
I don't see what your point was with posting all of this. All of what you said concerning Star formation is well known and Scientifically supported.
The laws of physics and chemistry easily explain how Stars are formed..
Life forms however, ARE ANOTHER MATTER ENTIRELY, and I think you are being disingenuous if you don't realize that.
Are life forms composed of materials found in Stars? Yes. But Life forms also require one other ingredient which is not found in Stars, and which does not adhere to the known laws of physics and chemistry.
INFORMATION. Life forms are vestibules of enormous amounts of complex specific information, in the form of a code.
Thats the key to life, and nothing of what you said acknowledges that truth.
Also, unless you can show one instance of inorganic matter and chemicals self combining to form into a living cell, then admit what you said about "trillions of chemical reactions and environmental factors" eventually leading to a cell is purely hypothetical.
People have been attempting to do just that for many decades now under lab conditions, and insofar, they have utterly failed..
There is no hard evidence whatsoever that Life can arise from inorganic matter...
While you are correct that time began with the big bang your explanation still sounds like describing what came before the big bang. While I don't think that's you intent it shows how difficult it is to use our language to discuss things which don't follow our everyday intuition about how the world works. It's like telling someone to go to the North Pole and then go north again. You can't. It's also why mathematics tends to be the best way to describe these phenomenon.
You claim life arose from inanimate matter.. Prove it. Show us how it was done, and earn yourself a Nobel Prize.
If I'm innumerate, then you're illiterate. I already told you we're discussing LIFE ON EARTH.
That wasn't my only problem. There's the information problem as well, and last but not least, the problem of consciousness.
LOL yeah, Time is the new God now isn't it? Give something enough time, and "anything" is possible
Yep, exactly the problem. Our language is incapable of explaining what happened "before" the big bang due to there being no before time began...since before requires time to be used.
Ahhh, I must defer to your wisdom here. There is no stronger proof than proof by BOLD CAPITALIZATION (although there may be an argument for proof by BOLD, RHYMING CAPITALIZATION).You claim life arose from inanimate matter.. Prove it. Show us how it was done, and earn yourself a Nobel Prize.
If I'm innumerate, then you're illiterate. I already told you we're discussing LIFE ON EARTH.
Also, it's a false analogy to compare the formation of Stars with that of living creatures. The formation of Stars, solar systems and even galaxies can be explained to a great extent using currently known Scientific laws.
Not so with living creatures however. Living creatures defy the laws of physics and chemistry.
Living creatures are the most complex and ordered structures known to Science. Not only that though, but they contain extremely dense and complex information in the form of a code....something which inanimate matter does not have.
And to top it off, they have CONSCIOUSNESS.. Again, not even remotely comparable.
That wasn't my only problem. There's the information problem as well, and last but not least, the problem of consciousness.
LOL yeah, Time is the new God now isn't it? Give something enough time, and "anything" is possible
Too bad the odds are stacked against you. There have been numerous mathematical calculations by experts to discern the odds involved with life arising from inorganic matter by chance, and they are RIDICULOUS, to the point where it's almost impossible.
My thanks to Lewis Carrol for his original poem.
WHAT beginning? Please demonstrate that the beginning to which you refer actually occurred.
I have indeed. I also know that it is not known to be a beginning of the universe, so you are invited to try again.
Which part of 0 to 10 to the -43rd power seconds makes you think time did not start then? Wait, is that magic man who hangs around you and makes parts of posts go invisible next to you right now? That could be your problem.
Well I did provide a brief summary of the current hypothesis how life arose ON Earth and how the complex "code" in DNA/RNA could have occurred through natural processes. Did you read it? I'm sorry your impatient and want answees now but figuring this stuff out takes time. You can go ahead and believe whatever you want but just realize your probably wrong.You claim life arose from inanimate matter.. Prove it. Show us how it was done, and earn yourself a Nobel Prize.
If I'm innumerate, then you're illiterate. I already told you we're discussing LIFE ON EARTH.
Also, it's a false analogy to compare the formation of Stars with that of living creatures. The formation of Stars, solar systems and even galaxies can be explained to a great extent using currently known Scientific laws.
Not so with living creatures however. Living creatures defy the laws of physics and chemistry.
Living creatures are the most complex and ordered structures known to Science. Not only that though, but they contain extremely dense and complex information in the form of a code....something which inanimate matter does not have.
And to top it off, they have CONSCIOUSNESS.. Again, not even remotely comparable.
That wasn't my only problem. There's the information problem as well, and last but not least, the problem of consciousness.
LOL yeah, Time is the new God now isn't it? Give something enough time, and "anything" is possible
Too bad the odds are stacked against you. There have been numerous mathematical calculations by experts to discern the odds involved with life arising from inorganic matter by chance, and they are RIDICULOUS, to the point where it's almost impossible.
Dude have ever read P&N?
We usually manage to stay with at least some form of link to the OT, I just can't even imagine how it came to the current discussion. Hell, the Trayvon Martin thread is still mostly on topic after what, 40k posts?
I'll give it a shot: talking about Dad disowning his gay son -> Bible's view on homosexuality -> Bible-thumpers vs secilarists -> Creation myth vs Big Bang/Abiogenesis/Evolution.
The TM thread has turned into a demilitarized zone of soldiers from both sides lobbing verbal grenades at each other; I wouldn't go in there without a Kevlar suit and flame-thrower. This thread at least maintains some decorum, albeit off topic.
More narrowly, dad disowning his gay son based on biblical teachings > accuracy of biblical teachings in general > accuracy of specific biblical teachings; i.e. origin of life and the universe.
Name one. Seriously, I'll wait. Give me a single law of science life violates.
Show me the proof. I've seen a lot of them too, but never one that didn't display a profound ignorance of math and/or physics.
Time and space are connected, without time there is no space. No space, no universe.
The guy who you previously claimed made parts of posts vanish so you were unable to read them and therefor could say they did not exist.
Not to the universe, but to eachother.
Tell that to the string theorists.
I never said anything resembling that. You are lying.
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