Ahh man while you and I have disagreed on many occasions at least you use logical thought with your replies unlike the rest of the liberals in this forum.
Going to miss that!
I'm kinda of the mind that even though I don't post a third as much as some of the post whores around here, I don't much care for much of the immaturity that has taken over.
This is not a slam on some of the younger members, but an observation of mental maturity of thought. I see less and less of it, and more and more of "I'm right" attitude, without regard to anyone or anything else.
Every response is either Black or White, and few can see that nowhere outside of their own minds is ANYTHING ever Black and White. To all problems, there are a myriad of solutions, and an equal number of points of view. Dismissal of everything that exists outside of your own thoughts is counterproductive, and immature as far as thinking goes.
I'm seeing more and more left versus right, and far less right and wrong. Even less thinking about the consequences of your actions type of threads. It all rapidly degenerates to name calling and Left versus Right.
I'm still planning on haunting the forums, but even lately, I've participated in far fewer threads. I hope things turn around, but it appears unlikely that they will.
This is not a slam on some of the younger members, but an observation of mental maturity of thought. I see less and less of it, and more and more of "I'm right" attitude, without regard to anyone or anything else.
Every response is either Black or White, and few can see that nowhere outside of their own minds is ANYTHING ever Black and White. To all problems, there are a myriad of solutions, and an equal number of points of view. Dismissal of everything that exists outside of your own thoughts is counterproductive, and immature as far as thinking goes.
I'm seeing more and more left versus right, and far less right and wrong. Even less thinking about the consequences of your actions type of threads. It all rapidly degenerates to name calling and Left versus Right.
I'm still planning on haunting the forums, but even lately, I've participated in far fewer threads. I hope things turn around, but it appears unlikely that they will.
As the self-appointed king of the lurkers (going on for almost 5 years now) I've really come to appreciate your insights and overall commentary. Please feel free to join me on my lurking bench any time you please. :beer:
So why aren't you initating new threads, and/ or asking the questions that might challenge or push people into thinking more critically? Instead you're just waltzing off into the sunset. I think you and CycloWizard are being drama queens.
You two should have the mettle or spine to hang around and try to improve things. There are some very good examples of how this forum has turned downhill.
It's never about the issues anymore, it's always about the person who brings up the issue.
It's never about the issues anymore, it's always about the person who brings up the issue.
CaptnKirk
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Sorry but you are yet another example of trying to get your last few jabs in...
Really quite sad.
This was a reference to the 'Conservative Talk' Radio programs, Television shows,
and FOX News approach to change the conversation to thier agenda -
or overpower any opposing view by disallowing an open dialogue.
I fail to see where this is 'getting my last few jabs in'.
Am I mistaken in that the GOP has subverted the media with their Limbaughs, Coulters,
Gibsons, and Hannitys ?
How about the 'paid for' news releases by actors, and the Gannons of the Press Corps.
Shout out the Devil !
Really quite sad.
This was a reference to the 'Conservative Talk' Radio programs, Television shows,
and FOX News approach to change the conversation to thier agenda -
or overpower any opposing view by disallowing an open dialogue.
I fail to see where this is 'getting my last few jabs in'.
Am I mistaken in that the GOP has subverted the media with their Limbaughs, Coulters,
Gibsons, and Hannitys ?
How about the 'paid for' news releases by actors, and the Gannons of the Press Corps.
Shout out the Devil !
It does seem like the same old topics are constantly rehashed on P&N. I would love to see a whole set of new topics and issues raised for discussion. Not sure what those topics/ issues would be, tho
Originally posted by: aidanjm
It does seem like the same old topics are constantly rehashed on P&N. I would love to see a whole set of new topics and issues raised for discussion. Not sure what those topics/ issues would be, tho
What's that I always hear about there being only 6 different types of stories? Like... it is impossible to make a story that does not fit into these categories. Maybe it was 9. Or whatever.
Point is, there are only so many prolific political issues at hand today, and it is extremely difficult and perhaps even petty to deviate from them. The important thing when making one of these stories is not to deviate from the 6/9 groups (which is impossible), but to make a good implementation of one of these types. And what we have here in this forum are many poor implementations.
That said, every once in a while a post comes along that I am entertained by, or perhaps even intellectually stimulated by, and I post a reply. That makes ATPN worth it for that one day, to me. And what the hell, it's free...
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
So why aren't you initating new threads, and/ or asking the questions that might challenge or push people into thinking more critically? Instead you're just waltzing off into the sunset. I think you and CycloWizard are being drama queens.
Nice try!
Posts based on rational arguments quickly fall to the bottom quickly. Emotion>thought.
Try it. Come up with a plausable solution to healthcare. An alternative to the Iraq war. Post about something relevant and important, but not in a way to rouse the troops to flaming.
Watch your thread drop lower and lower.
True, the lurkers get it, and so do many others, but what fun is it? If your blood pressure doesnt go up a notch what good is it? So it seems here to me. Besides, there are other things calling most of us. I am answering that call.
judasmachine
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I've been thinking about this. All the liberals (myself included) should leave, and let the cons have it. Then we can periodically check back and have a good laugh at the bush circle jerks.
This was bound to happen until the next Election cycle. The Winnar's of the last couple of cycles are actually sore Winnar's while the Losers literally have nothing left but their Tail between their legs and crawling away.
There is no new issues because the old ones are still issues. Most of the issues are in effect actually because of the winning party itself so nothing is going to change while that party is in power, period.
While the folks you say are not part of the mainstream they still can have a voice of opposition and they choose to not even squawk anymore.
Maybe they have the correct tactic, to let the ruling party self destruct in silence, maybe it is not, only time will tell.
Well, if it isn't worth your time that's one thing... do what you gotta do. If you're just upset over people and posts, then it's kinda weak IMO. It is what it is, no use dwelling on what it OUGHT to be. These aren't dissertations and nobody's gonna save the world here.
Sorry to see you leave, if that's what you finally decide.
Sorry to see you leave, if that's what you finally decide.
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: aidanjm
So why aren't you initating new threads, and/ or asking the questions that might challenge or push people into thinking more critically? Instead you're just waltzing off into the sunset. I think you and CycloWizard are being drama queens.
Nice try!
Posts based on rational arguments quickly fall to the bottom quickly. Emotion>thought.
Try it. Come up with a plausable solution to healthcare. An alternative to the Iraq war. Post about something relevant and important, but not in a way to rouse the troops to flaming.
Watch your thread drop lower and lower.
True, the lurkers get it, and so do many others, but what fun is it? If your blood pressure doesnt go up a notch what good is it? So it seems here to me. Besides, there are other things calling most of us. I am answering that call.
So if you were to create a set of posting guidelines, a set of pointers for people to follow when participating in discussion on P&N, designed to facilliate useful or worthwhile discussion, what would you include?
Stunt
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You harp on Bush, the GOP, 51% of the country a good 50 posts a day...If that isn't a sore loser, I don't know what is... You cannot criticize sore winners, when you yourself are the most notorious sore loser...
Remember who we are talking about here, thee two are not ditinctly liberal, running away, they are merely leaving due to extremists on both sides...
This should not be put on one side...you simply cannot.
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I'd be in your debt :beer:Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Bummer, I like your posts, some of the best here that I lurk on. Well, go cook some ribs or somethin'
Dude! I have perfected ribs! We need a cooking sticky or something
I'll PM the secret this weekend if you like.
Don Vito Corleone
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This is largely why I left P&N in November, and have no intention of returning (other than the present post, and the occasional birthday wish!). This place will be worse for your absence, WS.
cyclo left?
everything happens when i go away for the weekend.
i stink.
well, to the both of you: good luck, brothers! SEEYA!
everything happens when i go away for the weekend.
i stink.
well, to the both of you: good luck, brothers! SEEYA!
Oh for god's sake.. lighten up, people.
It's like people leave their sense of humor at the door when they enter P&N.
I will miss Winston, I hope he doesn't go.
I do admit CycloWizard annoys me tremendously
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