Current developers KILLED the Call of Duty series (rant)

[DanTMWTMP]

EDIT: changed the title to better reflect my true concerns.

COD1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COD4 >>>>>> COD2 > COD3

Call of Duty 1 is still the standard for FPS for me.

No other game ever came close to its intensity. I disliked CoD2 w/ the implementation of the
Halo shield, auto-replenishing teammates, and absurdly dumb AI. CoD3 is just not a good game.
CoD1 had better AI. Although the AI was still heavily scripted, at least they came after your position more aggressively.

In CoD1, you actually relied on your teammates, vip's would actually die, and your teammates would not respawn when they were killed. There was a huge incentive to help keep them alive by not being passive and forcefully killing the enemy so your teammates will not die. Trying to help your AI teammates made the game feel sooo urgent. I loved it.

Auto-replenishing teammates really, imo, brought down the quality of the series? What's the point of trying to kill the enemy so they don't kill your teammates when they'll respawn anyway? And when they do respawn (in CoD2/3), they cross the line of fire to get to their scripted positions, and they'll get in my way... *BAM ..Friendly fire will not be tolerated* When I have respawning teammates, I don't have that urgency to get around that corner to kill everyone as quickly as possible. "Oh i'm hit..i'll wait 'till the halo shield regens...ahh ok time to come out and shoot again"...bleh 🙁

The hardest difficulty was really hard because there were no health packs + no halo shield, and you had to go through checkpoint to checkpoint w/o even getting shot a few times.


I really cannot understand halo shield in the CoD series. It works in games like Gears of War and of course, Halo. For CoD, NO. NO NO. I lose that intensity and urgency feeling that CoD1 brought. I lost the immersion.

CoD4 is a good game; especially the sniper level, the level where you rescue the downed cobra pilot (which, btw the cutscene afterwards is probably one of the more f'ed up sequences i've seen in gaming), the gunship level, and the last airplane credits level (which I still cannot beat...I would just flash/run/flash/run and still can't get to the VIP in time...60 seconds is way too short)...

But CoD4 still doesn't have that total immersion that I felt with CoD1.

I have a feeling that console gaming brought upon the "halo shielf" gameplay into the series. I'm sorely disappointed.

Oh and before you guys flame me away, I play CoD4 online every other day, and still think it's one of the better games out there (but not even close to the GREATNESS that was CoD1).

I beat CoD1 3 times due to its greatness. The most difficult difficulty in CoD1 took me a month to beat since it was way too insane. CoD4 vet took me a week of casual play 😕. Vet difficulty really brings out the stupidity of the AI. They still just stand there, going to their pre-scripted areas, but shoot more accurately and you just die quicker.

EDIT:
I played CoD1 and 2 on the PC, 3 on the 360, but i couldn't handle more of the gameplay after a few hours, and CoD4 on PS3. CoD2 on the PC felt like some half-assed port.

Now they're going to milk the series (for lack of a better term). CoD5 will be made by the team that brought the crapfest that was CoD3 (and go back to WWII).

/rant


CoD1 will always be in my heart forever ahhh :heart:

EDIT2: changed some sentence structure and wording for clarity.

 

[TecHNooB]

I totally agree. The expansion was great as well.

 

[tatteredpotato]

The truth is your opinion is probably in the minority, and as a result I can't say IW has made a bad decision in the direction that they have taken the game.

Oh, and I don't see how consoles are to blame for this, just because they borrowed an idea from a console game.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
The truth is your opinion is probably in the minority, and as a result I can't say IW has made a bad decision in the direction that they have taken the game.

Oh, and I don't see how consoles are to blame for this, just because they borrowed an idea from a console game.

ya very true. After reading my rant, I sound like nothing short of some gaming elitist arsehole haha.

Yes, I really can't blame IW for taking it to this direction for appealing to a greater audience.

I just miss CoD1's gameplay, that's all. That's why I still have the disks, and have the urge to play the original. I just wish that where would be a modern refresh of it. That'd be great.

 

[purbeast0]

please stop talking about the halo shield.

halo has a regenerating shield and also has a health system. you apparently have no clue about that considering your post.

i do agree with you that the AI in COD2 and COD4 sucks ass as does the infinite spawning enemies/teammates.

also when cod1 came out the series was completely fresh and a new experience, which could also be part of the reason you are so fond of it.

i'm not saying you are right/wrong or anything, i know it's your opinion. i haven't played cod1 (enough to remember it that well atleast) so i can't comment on it.

 

[Thraxen]

This thread will not lead to good things. The title alone is going to attract the PC-elitists like flies. They like to blame consoles for anything that goes wrong with PC games.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
please stop talking about the halo shield.

halo has a regenerating shield and also has a health system. you apparently have no clue about that considering your post.

i do agree with you that the AI in COD2 and COD4 sucks ass as does the infinite spawning enemies/teammates.

also when cod1 came out the series was completely fresh and a new experience, which could also be part of the reason you are so fond of it.

i'm not saying you are right/wrong or anything, i know it's your opinion. i haven't played cod1 (enough to remember it that well atleast) so i can't comment on it.

ya, well, I just call it that since it was the first to use such a system and it got popular. I didn't coin the term. I've seen it used here plenty of times, so I used it since it's just a part of the lingo of gaming now. I'm not knocking halo series at all, nor did I intend to. sheesh.

Like I said, Halo and Gears of War used it really really well, and it really worked in those games.

Health packs make a difference because you have to strive to get them. You don't have to constantly duck and be passive just so you can regain hp and fight again. In a situation where having your health down, your teammates getting slaughtered, and seeing that health pack in the next building full of enemies brings a sense of total urgency and intensity.

Originally posted by: Thraxen
This thread will not lead to good things. The title alone is going to attract the PC-elitists like flies. They like to blame consoles for anything that goes wrong with PC games.

point taken. I'm more of a PC fanboy myself (but I play PS3 more than anything haha..more of a financial decision...PS3 is really an entertainment-center-in-a-box in the cheap).

I enjoy console games for their own style/feel. I like both types. Thanks for pointing that out, I really didn't want to start another flamefest about consoles vs pc.

 

[tatteredpotato]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
The truth is your opinion is probably in the minority, and as a result I can't say IW has made a bad decision in the direction that they have taken the game.

Oh, and I don't see how consoles are to blame for this, just because they borrowed an idea from a console game.

ya very true. After reading my rant, I sound like nothing short of some gaming elitist arsehole haha.

Yes, I really can't blame IW for taking it to this direction for appealing to a greater audience.

I just miss CoD1's gameplay, that's all. That's why I still have the disks, and have the urge to play the original. I just wish that where would be a modern refresh of it. That'd be great.

Also for perspective I have only played COD 2,3, and 4, although I'm not sure if you have heard, but I guess COD5 is back to WWII and being developed by they guys who did 3. You can always hope COD 6 goes back to its roots 😉

 

[mugs]

There's a reason why Infinity Ward put health packs in the "old school" playlists in CoD 4 multiplayer - it's old school. Regenerating health is the new standard. You get less health, but if you can avoid getting hit for a while you get it back. I like it better that way. It's particularly good for a game that emphasizes tactics instead of run and gun gameplay.

I also think "immersion" is an overused term to describe things that have little to do with immersion, such as everything you've mentioned in this thread.

 

[hans030390]

Wait, you mean to tell me that if I get shot right now, I won't be OK in 30 seconds?

Yeah, I don't get the whole regenerating health thing in games...it makes no sense for real-life situations. But hey, I enjoy it anyways.

I can't say I've played CoD1...just CoD4, basically, and I never felt it lacked intensity.

Health packs can be annoying, though...like when you keep dying in an area (having to repeat it over and over) because of low health (with no packs to be found).

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: hans030390
Wait, you mean to tell me that if I get shot right now, I won't be OK in 30 seconds?

Yeah, I don't get the whole regenerating health thing in games...it makes no sense for real-life situations. But hey, I enjoy it anyways.

I can't say I've played CoD1...just CoD4, basically, and I never felt it lacked intensity.

Health packs can be annoying, though...like when you keep dying in an area (having to repeat it over and over) because of low health (with no packs to be found).

Wait, you mean I can get shot right now, find a band-aid and be OK in 0 seconds?

Really, I think regenerating health can make sections of games MORE difficult, because you generally get LESS health when it regenerates. For instance, the TV station. If you were playing old school and had 100 health going in, you might be able to run straight through without killing anyone. Having so little health - albeit health that regenerates - forces you to play tactically, and makes it much harder IMO.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: hans030390
Wait, you mean to tell me that if I get shot right now, I won't be OK in 30 seconds?

Yeah, I don't get the whole regenerating health thing in games...it makes no sense for real-life situations. But hey, I enjoy it anyways.

I can't say I've played CoD1...just CoD4, basically, and I never felt it lacked intensity.

Health packs can be annoying, though...like when you keep dying in an area (having to repeat it over and over) because of low health (with no packs to be found).

Wait, you mean I can get shot right now, find a band-aid and be OK in 0 seconds?

:laugh:

hehe, well, I'll reiterate:
Health packs make a difference in gameplay because you have to strive to get them. You don't have to constantly duck and be passive just so you can regain hp and fight again. In a situation where having your health down, your teammates getting slaughtered, and seeing that health pack in the next building full of enemies brings a sense of total urgency and intensity.

to me, that style is more "fun." Of course, everyone has their own opinions on what fun is. But ya, everyone should load up CoD1 and play through it, hehe.

Originally posted by: mugs

Really, I think regenerating health can make sections of games MORE difficult, because you generally get LESS health when it regenerates. For instance, the TV station. If you were playing old school and had 100 health going in, you might be able to run straight through without killing anyone. Having so little health - albeit health that regenerates - forces you to play tactically, and makes it much harder IMO.

Ya true. hehe, but in CoD1's most difficult difficulty, IIRC, it only took very few shots to die as well. I actually went through that TV station level unscathed (well, after like 10 tries in vet lol) by just camping in that room that looks like it has a bunch of servers/racks (the room where you enter that main TV station area). hehe, that was a cheesy way of getting through that level, but i wanted to advance after 10 failures haha.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
point taken. I'm more of a PC fanboy myself (but I play PS3 more than anything haha..more of a financial decision...PS3 is really an entertainment-center-in-a-box in the cheap).

I enjoy console games for their own style/feel. I like both types. Thanks for pointing that out, I really didn't want to start another flamefest about consoles vs pc.

I'm the same way. I game on both platforms, though I'm definitely game more on consoles these days. Back around the time of Q2 and then on to UT99 I was far more into PC stuff. I did just build a new PC though in an attempt to get caught up on some PC games... unfortunately it's been nothing but trouble so far. First my new video card wouldn't output a digital signal and I had to RMA it and then 5 days later the motherboard crapped out completely. So I sent it off for RMA today. What a PITA... at least all my consoles still work 🙂 BTW, do you play Warhawk? I can't remember if I've seen you on there or not.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
point taken. I'm more of a PC fanboy myself (but I play PS3 more than anything haha..more of a financial decision...PS3 is really an entertainment-center-in-a-box in the cheap).

I enjoy console games for their own style/feel. I like both types. Thanks for pointing that out, I really didn't want to start another flamefest about consoles vs pc.

I'm the same way. I game on both platforms, though I'm definitely game more on consoles these days. Back around the time of Q2 and then on to UT99 I was far more into PC stuff. I did just build a new PC though in an attempt to get caught up on some PC games... unfortunately it's been nothing but trouble so far. First my new video card wouldn't output a digital signal and I had to RMA it and then 5 days later the motherboard crapped out completely. So I sent it off for RMA today. What a PITA... at least all my consoles still work 🙂 BTW, do you play Warhawk? I can't remember if I've seen you on there or not.

hmm i should. UT3, folklore, uncharted, assasin's creed, lego star wars, loads of single player ps2 games (i missed the entire ps2 generation) has been keeping me busy 🙁.

I bought too many games at once (haha but non of which i bought at full price... some were gifts, some I bought from a friend who worked at gamestop with his employee holiday discount, etc....gah! too many entertainment obligations!! T.T)

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
hmm i should. UT3, folklore, uncharted, assasin's creed, lego star wars, loads of single player ps2 games (i missed the entire ps2 generation) has been keeping me busy 🙁.

I bought too many games at once (haha but non of which i bought at full price... some were gifts, some I bought from a friend who worked at gamestop with his employee holiday discount, etc....gah! too many entertainment obligations!! T.T)

Oh yeah, UT3. That's what I normally see you playing. UT3 is actually a game I was planning to play on my new PC build. Anyway, I too have Folklore (still in the shrink wrap) and Assassin's Creed to play on my PS3. I finished Uncharted. But since the Omega Dawn expansion for Warhawk I've gotten sidetracked on that game and haven't played much of anything else recently.

 

[bucwylde23]

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
Also for perspective I have only played COD 2,3, and 4, although I'm not sure if you have heard, but I guess COD5 is back to WWII and being developed by they guys who did 3. You can always hope COD 6 goes back to its roots 😉

And when it goes back to WWII and is ANYTHING like COD3, that's when I will stop playing COD... again. COD4 restored my faith in the series by moving to modern warfare. Going back to WWII now would be stupid especially after how popular COD4 is.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
Also for perspective I have only played COD 2,3, and 4, although I'm not sure if you have heard, but I guess COD5 is back to WWII and being developed by they guys who did 3. You can always hope COD 6 goes back to its roots 😉

And when it goes back to WWII and is ANYTHING like COD3, that's when I will stop playing COD... again. COD4 restored my faith in the series by moving to modern warfare. Going back to WWII now would be stupid especially after how popular COD4 is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...rld_War_II_video_games hahaha 🙁

it'd be nice if they added non-popularized campaigns, or of lesser known guerrilla groups, or even special-ops missions (like Hidden and Dangerous)

 

[Fingolfin269]

COD1 is still my favorite. I really enjoy COD4 though but it is a different game.

 

[tatteredpotato]

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
Also for perspective I have only played COD 2,3, and 4, although I'm not sure if you have heard, but I guess COD5 is back to WWII and being developed by they guys who did 3. You can always hope COD 6 goes back to its roots 😉

And when it goes back to WWII and is ANYTHING like COD3, that's when I will stop playing COD... again. COD4 restored my faith in the series by moving to modern warfare. Going back to WWII now would be stupid especially after how popular COD4 is.

Link

Theres the link to the story I'd read about COD5, and it's being made by Treyarch (couldn't remember their name before).

 

[bucwylde23]

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian
Also for perspective I have only played COD 2,3, and 4, although I'm not sure if you have heard, but I guess COD5 is back to WWII and being developed by they guys who did 3. You can always hope COD 6 goes back to its roots 😉

And when it goes back to WWII and is ANYTHING like COD3, that's when I will stop playing COD... again. COD4 restored my faith in the series by moving to modern warfare. Going back to WWII now would be stupid especially after how popular COD4 is.

Link

Theres the link to the story I'd read about COD5, and it's being made by Treyarch (couldn't remember their name before).

Man I really hope that is just a rumor. Why would anyone want to take a step back and not have silencers, uav's, night vision, red dot sights, claymores, c4, etc etc etc etc. And like the article says, the AC-130 gunship! Between that and the sniper levels those are two of my favorite levels of any 360 game I've played yet.

 

[tatteredpotato]

My guess is it's just a stopgap to make some money while Infinity Ward is working on a true sequel.

 

[JDub02]

I've played COD on PC, COD2 and 4 on Xbox. I felt that 1 and 2 are on par with each other, but 4 is just at a whole new level. The original COD just felt like a great version of Medal of Honor. I feel that COD4 took the series from a run-n-gun style to something more tactical.

There are a few things that I think COD4 could have added/improved on (I want to drive a tank!), but overall, it was a freaking awesome game.

 

[tatteredpotato]

Originally posted by: JDub02

There are a few things that I think COD4 could have added/improved on (I want to drive a tank!), but overall, it was a freaking awesome game.

I'll take an AC-130 over a tank any day.

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: ObscureCaucasian

Originally posted by: JDub02

There are a few things that I think COD4 could have added/improved on (I want to drive a tank!), but overall, it was a freaking awesome game.

I'll take an AC-130 over a tank any day.

I wasn't talking about eliminating the AC-130 mission. That one rocked. Although, it might have been interesting with some SAM sites or something else that fired back. I just thought it would have been fun to have a mission guiding the Abrams tank as well. I enjoyed the tank level in COD2 alot.

 

[skace]

Dan, you're not alone. I think there are plenty of people who would flat out agree CoD1 was the best. It was a completely different feel and I don't think it is just the AI or the health packs, I don't think you can narrow it down that much.

I'd suggest anyone who likes the CoD series at all should play it and it's expansion pack.