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Red Squirrel

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One thing Snowden taught us is that it's not paranoia and conspiracy theory if they actually are monitoring us.

This.

"But I'm not doing anything wrong?"

How do you know? There are billions of laws, only a fraction of those are well known. Chances are, we are all breaking laws at some point, and if they really want you they came just pass a law on the spot.

This spying gives the government the ability to arrest anyone for anything completely randomly. If they don't agree with something you've said on a forum or something you are doing they will find a reason to arrest you.

People have already been arrested for stuff they've said on twitter or facebook. It's actually pretty scary and we really have to be constantly watching our backs because the real enemy is not terrorists, it's the government, and they have way too much power and access to too much, compared to the terrorists.
 

WelshBloke

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Weird. If I change the SIM card in my phone why would it ever contact my old carrier? Hell, how would it be able to contact my old carrier?
 

rudeguy

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Weird. If I change the SIM card in my phone why would it ever contact my old carrier? Hell, how would it be able to contact my old carrier?

It would until it reads the network info from the SIM. Then it would never look for the old network unless told to. Verizon phones store the network info and the sim is only for data.
 

WelshBloke

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It would until it reads the network info from the SIM. Then it would never look for the old network unless told to. Verizon phones store the network info and the sim is only for data.

Yeah forgot about your CDMA weirdness. :biggrin:
 

rudeguy

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Yeah forgot about your CDMA weirdness. :biggrin:

I hate it. T mobile and ATT use GSM and I'm jealous of that. But then again their networks are always overloaded and Verizon is usable. Cellular is definitely something you Brits do better than us.
 

WelshBloke

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I hate it. T mobile and ATT use GSM and I'm jealous of that. But then again their networks are always overloaded and Verizon is usable. Cellular is definitely something you Brits do better than us.

I dont think that thats peculiar to us. I'm sure we'd cock it up given the chance. :biggrin:

You guys just seem to have spectacularly cocked it up. :awe:
 

rudeguy

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I dont think that thats peculiar to us. I'm sure we'd cock it up given the chance. :biggrin:

You guys just seem to have spectacularly cocked it up. :awe:

I could explain the root of the problem and why it will never be fixed but that would bore you to death. We'll just say that it's not going to get better over here.
 

lxskllr

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bullshit, they arent monitoring 99% of us. its simply data. sigh...

WTF does "it's simply data" mean?! Data is what you get when you spy. AFAIK, nobody is accusing them of stealing blood or anything like that...
 

Red Squirrel

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bullshit, they arent monitoring 99% of us. its simply data. sigh...

Just because there's not literally some guy watching you does not mean it's not spying. They are collecting enough data to pretty much reconstruct any single person's actions on any given time span.

If you went to the store on October 30 in 2009 at 8:34pm and called up your buddy bob on your cell from the candy aisle to talk about what Halloween candy kids like these days, they can reconstruct that exact moment. They have your GPS coordinates with time stamp, phone call records, credit/debit card records and physical evidence (spy drones). This is more than enough info to prove you were at that location at that time. You may have also posted on twitter or Facebook that you were going to the store, hours before.

They can then come up to you some day and ask what you were doing at that specific date (you wont remember) and you'll either say you don't remember or guess and say something like "I don't know, sitting at home watching TV?" Then they'll now be able to arrest you for lying to an official about a murder, because that same night the guy you talked to was the friend of a guy who is in a biker gang, and someone from that biker gang knows a guy who killed a guy that same night. you are now an accessory to a crime because you are lying about information that could (somehow) lead to the prosecution of a criminal. While they're there they notice you also happen to run Linux on a device in your home so you are also a hacktivist. Boom, 10 years in jail, no trial, no parole.

This is not far from reality, shit like this can, will, and does happen.

It gets worse, Facebook is now building shadow profiles of you, even if you don't use it. NSA probably can do the same but 100 times better.

Basically with this much power, the government can pretty much pick off any person they want and throw them in jail. If you are not compliant with their standards or disagree you are pretty much thrown in the fire. I see this coming.
 
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Pray To Jesus

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If you went to the store on October 30 in 2009 at 8:34pm and called up your buddy bob on your cell from the candy aisle to talk about what Halloween candy kids like these days, they can reconstruct that exact moment. They have your GPS coordinates with time stamp, phone call records, credit/debit card records and physical evidence (spy drones). This is more than enough info to prove you were at that location at that time. You may have also posted on twitter or Facebook that you were going to the store, hours before.

They can then come up to you some day and ask what you were doing at that specific date (you wont remember) and you'll either say you don't remember or guess and say something like "I don't know, sitting at home watching TV?"

Then they'll now be able to arrest you for lying to an official about a murder, because that same night the guy you talked to was the friend of a guy who is in a biker gang, and someone from that biker gang knows a guy who killed a guy that same night. you are now an accessory to a crime because you are lying about information that could (somehow) lead to the prosecution of a criminal. While they're there they notice you also happen to run Linux on a device in your home so you are also a hacktivist. Boom, 10 years in jail, no trial, no parole.

Don't talk to the police.
 

rudeguy

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more people who don't understand technology making up conspiracy theories.

I rate this one right up with all the customer I talked to when I was with the cable company that thought the red light on their cable box meant I could see them.

Ignorance is one thing. Enraged ignorance is a whole nother level.
 

Brian Stirling

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more people who don't understand technology making up conspiracy theories.

I rate this one right up with all the customer I talked to when I was with the cable company that thought the red light on their cable box meant I could see them.

Ignorance is one thing. Enraged ignorance is a whole nother level.


A. The OP didn't understand that turning off mobile data did not turn off all the radios and that's why it pinged the towers.

B. The fact that it did ping the towers meant there is a 100% chance that the NSA has logged that -- there's zero chance they did not -- that's not conspiracy that's fact...


Brian
 

purbeast0

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Just because there's not literally some guy watching you does not mean it's not spying. They are collecting enough data to pretty much reconstruct any single person's actions on any given time span.

If you went to the store on October 30 in 2009 at 8:34pm and called up your buddy bob on your cell from the candy aisle to talk about what Halloween candy kids like these days, they can reconstruct that exact moment. They have your GPS coordinates with time stamp, phone call records, credit/debit card records and physical evidence (spy drones). This is more than enough info to prove you were at that location at that time. You may have also posted on twitter or Facebook that you were going to the store, hours before.

They can then come up to you some day and ask what you were doing at that specific date (you wont remember) and you'll either say you don't remember or guess and say something like "I don't know, sitting at home watching TV?" Then they'll now be able to arrest you for lying to an official about a murder, because that same night the guy you talked to was the friend of a guy who is in a biker gang, and someone from that biker gang knows a guy who killed a guy that same night. you are now an accessory to a crime because you are lying about information that could (somehow) lead to the prosecution of a criminal. While they're there they notice you also happen to run Linux on a device in your home so you are also a hacktivist. Boom, 10 years in jail, no trial, no parole.

This is not far from reality, shit like this can, will, and does happen.

It gets worse, Facebook is now building shadow profiles of you, even if you don't use it. NSA probably can do the same but 100 times better.

Basically with this much power, the government can pretty much pick off any person they want and throw them in jail. If you are not compliant with their standards or disagree you are pretty much thrown in the fire. I see this coming.

glad i'm not as paranoid as 99% of the nerds on this forum.

^^
 

bradley

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The question is: why would a low-level employee have access to such information and what risk does it pose? Perhaps if s/he was moonlighting as a house burglar, information regarding a customer's whereabouts would give him/her an edge on the competition.
 

Brian Stirling

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The question is: why would a low-level employee have access to such information and what risk does it pose? Perhaps if s/he was moonlighting as a house burglar, information regarding a customer's whereabouts would give him/her an edge on the competition.


Access is an important question and the fact that this low level guy could access this is frightening in my view. You're quite right to question if such access could lead to crime including: burglary, rape and murder. But then you have someone like Snowden that had access to, well, just about everything and none of it with a warrant.

There was a similar NSA plan years ago to mass collect info and the plan at that time called for all of it to be encrypted and only decrypted when permitted by warrant. Apparently the NSA didn't like having to ask so we get someone like Snowden demonstrating that the doors wide open.


Brian
 

LTC8K6

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It can be done with the phone off, but not with the battery out. If you have someone following you using the special tricks, you have more problems than a phone :^D

A super capacitor powers the NSA circuits for 12 hours without the battery.
 

Theb

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sigh...

Verizon phones contain many radios. CDMA, EDGE and LTE to name a few. You only turned the data portion, CDMA was still enabled, which pings the towers. If you wanted to ensure you wouldn't access foreign networks, airplane mode would have worked.

In the end your phone worked the way it should have. There was no spying and no scandal. Now please smash your phone into a thousand pieces and never post again.

You don't know what you're talking about. That phone probably can't be smashed into more than like 50 pieces.