cue another cell phone spying scandal

[BarkingGhostar]

it has to ping a tower in order to make calls/receive send data or texts. Do you not...


fuck it...have fun

It is actually a lot more complicated than just a 'ping'. Hell, just the power algo. in WCDMA is enough for it to be communicating with a lot of towers at once to optimize the handset's power on transmission to the absolute minimum it can get away with. And that is done a lot more than once per second.

I don't work for a telecommunications company but my hemorrhoid frequents one of their buildings every day.

What I don't understand is why have the handset even powered on if the mobile network feature is disabled and the SIM is removed. Just power it off. I do wonder, however, if this is a CPNA violation.

 

[lxskllr]

What I don't understand is why have the handset even powered on if the mobile network feature is disabled and the SIM is removed. Just power it off. I do wonder, however, if this is a CPNA violation.

Use it as a mini tablet. I don't have a phone at this point, but would like a computer in my pocket. I'm just waiting for the right phone. The neo900 and the just announced Black Phone are interesting, but the former isn't available yet, and the latter doesn't even have technical specs atm.

 

[Unoid]

you did not turn off all wireless connections, only mobile data. I have a Note 2 with Verizon, so I am very familiar with the phone and know that it is not possible to "turn wireless off".

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turn off all network connection...:whiste:

 

[rudeguy]

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turn off all network connection...:whiste:

which is why I asked the OP how he "turned off wireless".

I still don't understand how you can be outraged and declare a scandal when a cell phone works as intended.

 

[Ichinisan]

Just called Verizon for a bill credit I didn't receive. That part was easy, but what surprised me were the representatives comments.

"I see you've been traveling around a lot recently...Thailand"
"erm what, how do you know that, I didn't have my sim card in" (and the mobile network was off)
"well our system sends a message every time it connects" (or something like that)

Not entirely surprising that it phones home, but at same time I wasn't expecting to hear that they always know where my phone is when it shouldn't be talking to them.

1) Verizon phones only use a SIM for GSM/LTE modules. The CDMA part uses no SIM.

2) What do you mean "the mobile network was off?" Did you enable Airplane Mode or just disable mobile data?

 

[Ichinisan]

you did not turn off all wireless connections, only mobile data. I have a Note 2 with Verizon, so I am very familiar with the phone and know that it is not possible to "turn wireless off".

There's no "airplane mode?" That's supposed to turn-off all RF.

...but some devices let you turn WiFi and Bluetooth on again while airplane mode is still enabled.

 

[rudeguy]

There's no "airplane mode?" That's supposed to turn-off all RF.

...but some devices let you turn WiFi and Bluetooth on again while airplane mode is still enabled.

There is not a "turn all wireless off" option like he had stated he did.

 

[Ichinisan]

It can be done with the phone off, but not with the battery out. If you have someone following you using the special tricks, you have more problems than a phone :^D

No.

Perhaps you read this somewhere. Probably an article written by the type of person who thinks their phone is "off" when they lock the screen.

 

[lxskllr]

No.

Perhaps you read this somewhere. Probably an article written by the type of person who thinks their phone is "off" when they lock the screen.

No, I'm talking about when malware gets placed on a phone, and it only simulates an "off" condition, but isn't really off.

 

[Ichinisan]

No, I'm talking about when malware gets placed on a phone, and it only simulates an "off" condition, but isn't really off.

Ah. I've wanted the ability to do that (and posted about it before) so I can recover a stolen phone while the thief believes it's turned-off.

If there's ever a phone that keeps the radios active by design when the phone is supposedly powered-off, owners would want to know. For example, turning it off wouldn't preserve the battery as long as it should (and not all phones have a removable battery).