Cuba Openly Mocks US Healthcare, etc.

[MagickMan]

they should our healthcare sucks.

Not as much as communism.

 

[Indus]

President Castro: Look at us. We're buddies!

President Obama: No, Bro. No!

 

[cbrunny]

Not as much as communism.

single payer universal healthcare is not communism.

 

[MongGrel]

Not as much as communism.

Communism isn't really much like it was once upon a time.

China , etc ya know.

I guess GM, Apple and myriad US companies are just Communist in fact now then I suppose...

 

[soulcougher73]

Well at least he isn't wrong. So that's good

 

[cbrunny]

President Castro: Look at us. We're buddies!

President Obama: No, Bro. No!

This picture is amazing

 

[WHAMPOM]

The biggest reasons for this are:

-healthcare workers are paid considerably more here in the USA
-malpractice insurance requirements
-healthcare insurance companies

-$11.00 aspirin tablets?

 

[rudder]

they should our healthcare sucks.

If I fall down some stairs and twist my knee real bad.... I could be getting an MRI the same day if needed. I wonder if patients in Cuba have access to service like that.

 

[JSt0rm]

If I fall down some stairs and twist my knee real bad.... I could be getting an MRI the same day if needed. I wonder if patients in Cuba have access to service like that.

Nope. The US has blocked them from having MRI. It has nothing to do with them unwilling to buy some though.

 

[MagickMan]

single payer universal healthcare is not communism.

I didn't say it was. The whole point I was making is, Castro has no business throwing stones when his gov't has wilfully, and wantonly, slain millions of its own people. Communism has a history of doing just that.

 

[MagickMan]

President Castro: Look at us. We're buddies!

President Obama: No, Bro. No!

It's the other way around, he was trying to place his hand on Castro's shoulder. :\

 

[MagickMan]

-$11.00 aspirin tablets?

The $11 is mostly to pay the nurse to administer the tablet of aspirin. Nurses are expensive to keep around.

 

[zinfamous]

Like many things we do here in the US, it's a lot of make-work. If we spent $1 Trillion less on healthcare, that's a whole lot of jobs gone. Healthcare jobs are pretty good paying jobs.

How are the incomes of those health care workers in Cuba? How are their lifestyles?

Much of that isn't spent on healthcare, though. I lot of those costs are reported as "operating costs" from the likes of BC/BS.

Have you ever been to a BlueCross regional or main headquarters? Ever wonder about those giant fancy mahogany conference tables they have everywhere and ultramodern architecture for their property, all the advertising....all of the utter nonsense?

Ignoring that, the salaries of people that work for these companies that provide absolutely zero tangible service to patients or to medical professionals that actually provide medical care. This isn't like the army where you have important people running supply lines. So much of the exorbitant costs in US healthcare goes to leeches and corporate luxury.

 

[JSt0rm]

Much of that isn't spent on healthcare, though. I lot of those costs are reported as "operating costs" from the likes of BC/BS.

Have you ever been to a BlueCross regional or main headquarters? Ever wonder about those giant fancy mahogany conference tables they have everywhere and ultramodern architecture for their property, all the advertising....all of the utter nonsense?

Ignoring that, the salaries of people that work for these companies that provide absolutely zero tangible service to patients or to medical professionals that actually provide medical care. This isn't like the army where you have important people running supply lines. So much of the exorbitant costs in US healthcare goes to leeches and corporate luxury.

please don't hate bootstraps.txt. If I cant force someone about to die to pay everything they own for 3 months of life then I wont be able to live my lifestyle.

 

[zinfamous]

please don't hate bootstraps.txt. If I cant force someone about to die to pay everything they own for 3 months of life then I wont be able to live my lifestyle.

I mean, it reminds me of this:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/retirement-gamble/

Which I'm pretty sure many around here are familiar with.

I'm willing to bet that every single poster here is completely unwilling to let useless financial advisers siphon away 1 and 2% of their investments in their 401k, 403b's, IRAs, etc, on top of ridiculous fees and expenses that add up to almost 63% of your net retirement. This is why all of you, even the proud and financially savvy conservatives shit on companies like Fidelity and choose only Vanguard for their retirement and investment portfolios. We all ignore "financial advisers" that exist only as huksters and conmen that steal our saved earnings. He know that.

we are all collectively smart in this arena.

It makes me wonder, then, why this healthcare cost issue is so poorly understood on these forums. Why are all of you properly incensed by the notion that the retirement industry would dare to steal away your 401k, but refuse to believe that the exact same thing is happening in healthcare due to the glut and involvement of the insurance industry? (think about it: It's the same fucking model as these annuities and garbage mutual funds, which are primarily based within the wholly useless insurance industry that exists only to leech your money)

 

[BoberFett]

Good thing people like Rick Scott hasn't managed to figure out a way to ship those health care jobs overseas like a lot of manufacturing has been, I suppose...

It's Democrats who want to chop the cost of healthcare in half. An admirable goal, no doubt, but everything has consequences.

 

[BoberFett]

Much of that isn't spent on healthcare, though. I lot of those costs are reported as "operating costs" from the likes of BC/BS.

Have you ever been to a BlueCross regional or main headquarters? Ever wonder about those giant fancy mahogany conference tables they have everywhere and ultramodern architecture for their property, all the advertising....all of the utter nonsense?

Ignoring that, the salaries of people that work for these companies that provide absolutely zero tangible service to patients or to medical professionals that actually provide medical care. This isn't like the army where you have important people running supply lines. So much of the exorbitant costs in US healthcare goes to leeches and corporate luxury.

Are you claiming that the government is a model of economic efficiency? You don't think government officials have cushy offices with fancy furniture?

You're aware that there's any entire building JUST FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE US! OMG!!! HEADQUARTERZZZZZ!!! AND HE HASSS A PRIVATE JETTTTT!!!!!!

Give me a break.

 

[JSt0rm]

Are you claiming that the government is a model of economic efficiency? You don't think government officials have cushy offices with fancy furniture?

You're aware that there's any entire building JUST FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE US! OMG!!! HEADQUARTERZZZZZ!!! AND HE HASSS A PRIVATE JETTTTT!!!!!!

Give me a break.

Actual overhead % are much smaller for government then private enterprise. Certain things should not be in private hands. Anything that people have no choice about shouldn't be in private hands. And we pretty much follow this for lots of things but not healthcare.

 

[OutHouse]

He should have asked Castro about the 3M Cubans who have been murdered by the communist party since his brother took over. How was their healthcare?

Free shit is still shit.

3 million?

 

[zinfamous]

Are you claiming that the government is a model of economic efficiency? You don't think government officials have cushy offices with fancy furniture?

You're aware that there's any entire building JUST FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE US! OMG!!! HEADQUARTERZZZZZ!!! AND HE HASSS A PRIVATE JETTTTT!!!!!!

Give me a break.

I'll wait for you to burn your strawman, then we can continue this.

 

[JSt0rm]

3 million?

Yeah I doubt 3 million is the number.

 

[Zaap]

don't forget:

- hospitals with shareholders
- profit driven margins on all medical expenses

Don't forget:
- actually wouldnt object to being treated in most (not all) hospitals in the united states.

- couldn't pay me enough to have to get treatment in some shithole hospital in Cuba unless its one the Castro's and party insiders use, not the common pleeb.

(Still not fooled that communinst bullshit is really the equal of the west. The propaganda didn't work on anyone even with the much more prosperous -but still woefully substandard Soviet Union- and sure as hell doesn't work with the failed hanger-on satellite states.)

 

[cbrunny]

(Still not fooled that communinst bullshit is really the equal of the west. The propaganda didn't work on anyone even with the much more prosperous -but still woefully substandard Soviet Union- and sure as hell doesn't work with the failed hanger-on satellite states.)

I actually don't know what this means. Do you think that anyone here is suggesting that actual communism is equal to capitalism in some way?

 

[Slew Foot]

Much of that isn't spent on healthcare, though. I lot of those costs are reported as "operating costs" from the likes of BC/BS.

Have you ever been to a BlueCross regional or main headquarters? Ever wonder about those giant fancy mahogany conference tables they have everywhere and ultramodern architecture for their property, all the advertising....all of the utter nonsense?

Ignoring that, the salaries of people that work for these companies that provide absolutely zero tangible service to patients or to medical professionals that actually provide medical care. This isn't like the army where you have important people running supply lines. So much of the exorbitant costs in US healthcare goes to leeches and corporate luxury.

Dont forget the drug companies as well. They're just a profiteering as the insurance companies, though in the end, they do provide something of value, even though the cost is exorbitant in the US.

 

[BoberFett]

Actual overhead % are much smaller for government then private enterprise.

Link? And don't claim Medicare, because they foist their admin costs off onto clinics and hospitals. If you don't believe me, talk to anyone who works in medical billing. Medicare reimbursement is vastly more difficult and time consuming than private insurance reimbursement. Cost shifting is not cost saving.