That has nothing to do with this, Cuba fires 1 million workers, nowhere near that amount is gone with paul ryan yet he is called extreme
I want you to admit the truth that the plan is not extreme and supports the status quo
That has nothing to do with this, Cuba fires 1 million workers, nowhere near that amount is gone with paul ryan yet he is called extreme
I want you to admit the truth that the plan is not extreme and supports the status quo
umbrella39
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If only America could shed 85% of the Government jobs. Then we could return to prosperity as the Cubans have.
Government jobs dont bring prosperity. We need more PRIVATE sector jobs
We just need more jobs, period.
When the revered and sanctified Job Creators aren't, creating jobs, that is, then somebody else has to do it.
Engineer
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zsdersw
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Yes we do, but nothing is certain to create more private sector jobs. Tax cuts, regulation cuts, and shrinking the overall footprint of government are good, but we shouldn't look at them as some sort of job-creating magic wand.
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Oh, please. This whole smaller govt song and dance is tedious in the extreme, particularly with the current dearth of gainful employment provided by private industry, and with the tendency to provide shit fer wages.
That won't be changing any time RSN, given the economic forces of offshoring & automation.
We have the power, the right, and the opportunity to change the economic balance between concentrated wealth & the middle class, return to something like the post-WW2 shared prosperity, but that won't happen w/o strong redistribution of income. To merely wish it were different is to deny reality, to sound the death knell of the middle class as we know it.
American capitalists have broken the social compact of the New Deal, the deal where their part of the bargain was to provide American jobs. That's manifestly obvious to anybody not blinded by rightwing rhetoric & Libertopian delusion. They don't need us all to work, but merely to consume, and to do so on credit they provide. There is a limit to that model, however, and we've reached it. Witness the massive deleveraging in the private sector.
Few people have any grasp of just how much income has shifted to the top, and just how badly that starves working people of their previous share of national income. Much of what capitalists formerly paid in wages they now put into their portfolios & into offshore enterprise. The only practical way they can be made to share is through taxation. If the tippy top earners paid 50% in federal taxes, their share of after tax national income would still be larger than it was 30 years ago.
We have an opportunity & an obligation to the future to raise taxes at the top, to use those funds to create employment & to upgrade the commons, the public facilities we all use, to improve our competitiveness with better health & education, to create & enforce a financial system of honest growth rather than destructive swings of speculation.
That will require some sort of national epiphany, some casting aside the illusions of denial so prevalent today. Our capitalist leadership nearly provided that in 2008, and they're still working on it in that blind & disconnected way that only oligarchs can achieve.
Can't figure it out? You won't, not until you question your most basic assumptions & beliefs. The bailout just allowed a lot of wiggle room in maintenance of illusion, as did acquisition of more govt debt. That debt acquisition has been cover for destructive policy hugely favoring the Wealthy for 30 years. Bread lines? They're real- you just can't see them, because they're now electronic, invisible. Home ownership? what a giggle. Anybody who bought during the bubble is just paying a different kind of rent, higher than the market rate. They won't see daylight for another decade, if then.
This.....OP is crazy.
Since so many GOP'ers claim Cuba is bad and Castro is Evil, why should we care what they do anyway?
Because there realizing that you need to cut the size of government yet the idiots here dont
President for life and appointing your brother to lead after you retire does not make you a "good guy" especially after 40+ years of political repression.
The reason we should take note is that even the most ardent supporters of communism (Cuba), planned economies (again Cuba), and other left-wing whacked out ideas that attempt to suppress free market forces is now after 40+ years of failure realizing that their backwards "Workers Paradise" has been left behind economically and the standard of living has yet to improve above that of most 3rd world nations.
Now the moment they start allowing free markets to reign and operate (in addition to them not having their government stops being an obstacle to commerce) it will be the moment the flood gates open on the discussion on them being "Free to Choose".
zsdersw
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I can't think of a comparison that is more wrong than with Cuba. Our markets here in America are, relative to Cuba's, laissez-faire. Yet we're still having a tough time getting our economy going strong again.
Of course free markets are good and of course it is good that Cuba is going more in that direction, but to compare their move with what Romney/Ryan are proposing is, as I said, 100% idiotic... and the OP is an idiot for making that comparison.
BudAshes
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That is a fine point, you just aren't smart enough to back it up. Maybe you should go back to school, get some education and try again.
Yes I am. How could you not realize that, it takes a lot of private sector workers to support the government workers. As well the jobs are a waste of money
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Outsourcing and illegal immigration. Tax cuts for job providers? Great, I'll expand my factory in China. Tax cuts for consumers? Great, I'll buy some stuff made in that factory in China. Infrastructure stimulus? Great, here's a low bid Chinese company to build it with Chinese-sourced materials and illegal alien labor. Whatever part is kept by China (as is right and proper if they are doing the manufacturing) and sent back to the home country immediately leaves our economy and comes back in only as loans to the government and more illegal aliens respectively.
Don't forget that some of the money being used is basically already being borrowed from China and other nations to begin with in many cases as government is running a 1.4 trillion a year.
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Yeh- cops, firefighters, teachers, sanitation workers, scientists, military personnel, road maintenance crews, prosecutors, judges & all the rest are a waste of money.
Without all that & more, we'd be in Libertopia! kinda like Somalia.
Gawd. I'm becoming convinced that you really are a parody poster.
It'd be impossible to top the exaggeration inherent in comparing govt sector employment in Cuba with govt sector employment in the US, but you've made a valiant effort to convince yourself that it's exactly the same thing.
Gawd. I'm becoming convinced that you really are a parody poster.
It'd be impossible to top the exaggeration inherent in comparing govt sector employment in Cuba with govt sector employment in the US, but you've made a valiant effort to convince yourself that it's exactly the same thing.
Show me the link where I said we dont need cops, firefighters and the others, I said Small Government
Capt Caveman
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The only person that needs to be educated is yourself, troll. Move to fucking Cuba and let us know how it goes.
I already quoted you, or have you forgotten already?
Smaller govt? It's already happening-
And it's part of the unemployment problem. Not that the wunderkind of the Right have any comprehension of the truth-
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/the-zombie-that-ate-rand-pauls-brain/
Lay off govt workers to vanquish unemployment! Cut taxes to close the deficit gap! Kill benefit programs to help poor children & seniors!
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