Cuba Fires 1 Million Government Workers--Paul Ryan Not Extreme

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11291267

Cuba has announced radical plans to lay off huge numbers of state employees, to help revive the communist country's struggling economy. The Cuban labour federation said more than a million workers would lose their jobs - half of them by March next year.
Those laid off will be encouraged to become self-employed or join new private enterprises, on which some of the current restrictions will be eased.
Analysts say it is the biggest private sector shift since the 1959 revolution.
Cuba's communist government currently controls almost all aspects of the country's economy and employs about 85% of the official workforce, which is put at 5.1 million people.
As many as one-in-five of all workers could lose their jobs.
"Our state cannot and should not continue maintaining companies, productive entities, services and budgeted sectors with bloated payrolls and losses that hurt the economy," the labour federation said in a statement.
"Job options will be increased and broadened with new forms of non-state employment, among them leasing land, co-operatives, and self-employment, absorbing hundreds of thousands of workers in the coming years," the statement added.
Free enterprise? To create jobs for the redundant workers, strict rules limiting private enterprise will be relaxed and many more licenses will be issued for people to become self-employed.
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Private businesses will be allowed to employ staff for the first time.
The self-employed will have access to social security and will be able to open bank accounts and even borrow money to expand their businesses.
They will also have to pay tax on their profits and for each person they employ, something which could dramatically boost the government's income.
And they will be able to negotiate contracts to provide services to government departments.
A minority of Cuban workers already work for themselves, for example as hairdressers and taxi-drivers, or running small family restaurants.
There is also a thriving black economy, with many people working independently without proper permission from the state.
The BBC's Fernando Ravsberg in Havana says salaries in Cuba's state sector are so low that many employees could be better off working for themselves.
But he says not everyone has the skills and initiative necessary to be self-employed.
He adds that the government plan does not foresee any kind of advice being offered to people seeking to set up their own businesses.
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President Raul Castro has said the state's role in the economy must shrink
President Raul Castro outlined some of the changes in a speech in August, saying the state's role in the economy had to be reduced.
"We have to end forever the notion that Cuba is the only country in the world where you can live without working," he said.
Cuba's state-run economy has been gripped by a severe crisis in the past two years that has forced it to cut imports.
It has suffered from a fall in the price for its main export, nickel, as well as a decline in tourism.
Growth has also been hampered by the 48-year US trade embargo.
Mr Castro became Cuba's leader when his brother, Fidel Castro, stepped aside because of ill-health in 2006.


Cuba is firing 1 million government workers who comprise 85% of the workforce, this amount of people working for the government is not healthy and requires huge support from the PRIVATE sector.

Cuba fires 1 million workers, this is extreme and radical but NEEDED, Raul Castro even admitted this and wants the government to have a smaller role in the economy. This is good news and is needed in order to fix the economy

Paul Ryan who isn't a Fiscal Conservative and under his plan there wont be anywhere near as many people being fired. So why is his plan called extreme and radical when its not? Yet there is no outrage over what happened in Cuba

Do you agree that the Paul Ryan plan is NOT radical and extreme and the critics are just lying and fear mongering?
 

Genx87

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You wont get an honest answer. People who consider Paul Ryans plan radical said cutting the budget by 30 billion while increasing it 200 billion was "draconian". Basically anything other than explosive govt growth wont satisfy their appetite.
 

zsdersw

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Cuba != America, so comparing the extreme actions of the Cuban government to anyone in American politics is, well, just incredibly stupid.
 
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You wont get an honest answer. People who consider Paul Ryans plan radical said cutting the budget by 30 billion while increasing it 200 billion was "draconian". Basically anything other than explosive govt growth wont satisfy their appetite.

Well said. I think there is way too much fear mongering and the people are so stupid to believe it but yes there is nothing extreme about Paul Ryan
 

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Do you agree that the Paul Ryan plan is NOT radical and extreme and the critics are just lying and fear mongering?

Since I've heard more about it there's no way it can reasonably be considered radical. Yeah, it's just lying and fear mongering. I'm not saying I support his plan, but it ain't radical, not by a long shot.

Fern
 

Lithium381

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Cuba != America, so comparing the extreme actions of the Cuban government to anyone in American politics is, well, just incredibly stupid.

but OTHER countries have nationalized healthcare, so why shouldn't we?
oh, you don't want to compare us to other countries?!

It's awesome that a communist dictator has enough sense to understand basic economic principals
 

xj0hnx

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Cuba != America, so comparing the extreme actions of the Cuban government to anyone in American politics is, well, just incredibly stupid.

This. You can't honestly compare Cuba to the US.
 

her209

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How does Cuba's economy and method of governance have any resemblance to ours?
 

readymix

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national guard of the nearest 57 states need to relocate to florida and adjoining asap
 

jhu

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but OTHER countries have nationalized healthcare, so why shouldn't we?
oh, you don't want to compare us to other countries?!

Uhm... other 1st world nations have nationalized healthcare, and the people as a whole in those countries pay significantly less per capita for healthcare than we do.
 

BoberFett

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Uhm... other 1st world nations have nationalized healthcare, and the people as a whole in those countries pay significantly less per capita for healthcare than we do.

The US is a 3rd world nation. Just ask Dave... :sneaky:
 

spidey07

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but OTHER countries have nationalized healthcare, so why shouldn't we?
oh, you don't want to compare us to other countries?!

It's awesome that a communist dictator has enough sense to understand basic economic principals

And obama and the democrats based their entire platform around MORE government in private industry. That's what's so sad. We have a freaking communist dictator who gets it, but the communist in the white house and his party never will.
 

OCGuy

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Cuba and China and North Korea all moving towards more open markets and away from communism.

Imagine that..
 

xj0hnx

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Uhm... other 1st world nations have nationalized healthcare, and the people as a whole in those countries pay significantly less per capita for healthcare than we do.

Those other countries are also ...other countries. Why do people continually think that just because something is done in another country it will work in America?
 

jhu

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Those other countries are also ...other countries. Why do people continually think that just because something is done in another country it will work in America?

So then we shouldn't be comparing country to country thus making OP's post irrelevant then, right?
 

werepossum

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national guard of the nearest 57 states need to relocate to florida and adjoining asap
:D

Castro II: The Revenge should have spoken with the Democrats. Then he'd have known that all he needs to do is unionize those government workers to unleash prosperity.
 

Perknose

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C'mon guys! :rolleyes:

When you find yourselves wholeheartedly agreeing in droves with an Incorruptible argument, it's time to fire up your interstellar GPS and try to make it back safely to planet Earth.

We'll keep the lights on for 'ya. It's the least we can do. :p


Here, I'll save you the trouble of waiting for his next thread:

Millions Die in North Korean Famine -- Anti-Food Stamp Republicans Not Extreme!
 
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Jhhnn

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Let's try something Bill Clinton mentioned- arithmetic. If 85% of Cuba's 5.2M workers are employed by govt, that's, 4.4M people. If they lay off 1M in what is likely to be a very orderly & controlled transition to more private enterprise, that's 3.4M people left, or 66% of the population working for the govt.

In 2007, only 8% of US workers were employed by govt-

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_Americans_are_government_employed

It's probably not much different today, so the OP is comparing apples to aardvarks, and probably can't tell the difference, doesn't even want to know the difference. His ideological premise, as usual, is bullshit.

Cuba will, no doubt, attract a huge influx of capital, given that labor costs will be ridiculously low. It's just as obvious that laying off lots of govt workers in this country won't attract capital, simply because neither our economy or the wealth of the investor class can be supported on those kinds of wages.

We're currently engaged in massive deleveraging from a ridiculous credit bubble in the private sector, and Americans can't do that on shit fer wages, no matter how badly right wing zealots wish that might be possible. We can't do it well with higher unemployment, either. No, dimwits, we can't lay people off to vanquish unemployment.
 

glenn1

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And obama and the democrats based their entire platform around MORE government in private industry. That's what's so sad. We have a freaking communist dictator who gets it, but the communist in the white house and his party never will.

He's not a Communist. In those countries, lazy slugs don't get welfare checks, they're sent to the gulag or shot. He's like most Democrats, just someone who wants to "help" but not with their own money unless it's collected via taxes (but mostly rich people's taxes).
 

feralkid

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And obama and the democrats based their entire platform around MORE government in private industry. That's what's so sad. We have a freaking communist dictator who gets it, but the communist in the white house and his party never will.

Thank God Rick Perry WILL be our next President.

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Capt Caveman

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Let's try something Bill Clinton mentioned- arithmetic. If 85% of Cuba's 5.2M workers are employed by govt, that's, 4.4M people. If they lay off 1M in what is likely to be a very orderly & controlled transition to more private enterprise, that's 3.4M people left, or 66% of the population working for the govt.

In 2007, only 8% of US workers were employed by govt-

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_Americans_are_government_employed

It's probably not much different today, so the OP is comparing apples to aardvarks, and probably can't tell the difference, doesn't even want to know the difference. His ideological premise, as usual, is bullshit.

Cuba will, no doubt, attract a huge influx of capital, given that labor costs will be ridiculously low. It's just as obvious that laying off lots of govt workers in this country won't attract capital, simply because neither our economy or the wealth of the investor class can be supported on those kinds of wages.

We're currently engaged in massive deleveraging from a ridiculous credit bubble in the private sector, and Americans can't do that on shit fer wages, no matter how badly right wing zealots wish that might be possible. We can't do it well with higher unemployment, either. No, dimwits, we can't lay people off to vanquish unemployment.

This. I can understand the trolling OP not to understand that you can't compare a third-world communist country where almost all workers are gov't workers to the US but sad that so many others did also.

Sad and scary forum.
 
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C'mon guys! :rolleyes:

When you find yourselves wholeheartedly agreeing in droves with an Incorruptible argument, it's time to fire up your interstellar GPS and try to make it back safely to planet Earth.

We'll keep the lights on for 'ya. It's the least we can do. :p


Here, I'll save you the trouble of waiting for his next thread:

Are you saying I cant be right on anything?

I was right on the war on drugs, look at all the people that agreed with me, check my sig as well. I was also right about the other issues.

Anyways Paul Ryan will cut nowhere close to 1million yet we call him extreme, the critics must issue the truth
 

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Conservative holds up Communist Cuba as model of normalcy, fascinating...