Crysis 2 Retail Benchmarked

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Grooveriding

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Fair enough. But compare it to DA2, which doesn't look better, but runs far slower.

:) Dragon Age 2 is just plain atrocious on nvidia hardware.

I can't run the included benchmark with Crysis 2. It's totally different from what we saw in the first one, another backpedal in fact.

Nvidia had Crytek make them use openautomate for the benchmark. I attempted to run the benchmark.bat but it crashes out for me with a failure to open openautomate.dll :thumbsdown:
 
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I think this might be the final nail in the coffin for pc gaming. Too many dumb arses pirating games and consoles just being so much simpler and cheaper to use has killed it. We always had the feather in our cap that was crysis. We could always fire up the pc and show the console fanboys what a real game looked like. Just from some of the screenshots I've seen the freaking xbox version looked equal to the the pc version. :confused: Xbox version even had more vibrant colors. I have been eyeing a new 2600k and a p67 board for a few days now. After seeing the release it just took the wind out of my sails.
 

OCGuy

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I think this might be the final nail in the coffin for pc gaming. Too many dumb arses pirating games and consoles just being so much simpler and cheaper to use has killed it. We always had the feather in our cap that was crysis. We could always fire up the pc and show the console fanboys what a real game looked like. Just from some of the screenshots I've seen the freaking xbox version looked equal to the the pc version. :confused: Xbox version even had more vibrant colors. I have been eyeing a new 2600k and a p67 board for a few days now. After seeing the release it just took the wind out of my sails.

Because of one game? LOL.

Get back to me when a console can pull off something as good looking as BF:BC2, soon to be BF3, or ARMA2 with the goodies cranked up on the PC.
 

RussianSensation

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I think this might be the final nail in the coffin for pc gaming. Too many dumb arses pirating games and consoles just being so much simpler and cheaper to use has killed it. We always had the feather in our cap that was crysis. We could always fire up the pc and show the console fanboys what a real game looked like.

And here is the rub. Too many PC gamers salivate over graphics rather than gameplay. For this reason so many game developers just care about how the game looks and not how it plays. Then we end up having 5-6 hour campaigns of a pretty movie for $50.

Sure, I wish Crysis 2 looked 10x better, but what about gameplay? Have you ever played Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time? Probably not. That game p*ss*s on Crysis 1 in every way imaginable but its graphics are 1/10. The campaign is an easy 40-50 hours.

I suggest you actually play the best 30 games of all time. I can assure you, none of them look as good as Crysis 1. Maybe it's also a good idea to finish Crysis 2 before calling it the end of PC gaming.
 
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pinchthings

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As for FPSes, maybe I'll wait until DNF comes out. Graphics wise, probably nothing special. Storyline hilarity? Loads.
 

Arkadrel

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I just want to point out that pirateing happends on other formats than pcs.
Is it more common on pcs? maybe,.. but Im not even sure if thats true.

Back before the internet took off, back before mp3s, people where still copying stuff be that music/games/movies ect.

Honestly I think its gonna continue reguardless of what they think up, and reguardless of which port it is on. Which is why it kinda sucks the pc is getting the short end of the stick.... because its likely pirateing is just as bad on the consols.
 
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Absolution75

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I don't see why people are whining about graphics/DX11 not being in the initial release.

DX11 really doesn't bring anything new to the table that could enhance graphics besides tessellation - which is still a fairly underutilized technology which is not always as useful as tech demos would have you believe.

Since DX10 (even in DX9 + extensions), the entire GPU pipeline is basically fully programmable which is where you get most of your graphical improvements. Besides, we are about to hit the graphics wall, where companies will have to spend disproportional amounts of money to increase graphics quality which will be hardly noticeable to most people.
 

Makaveli

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Its hardly noticed because everything is optimized for consoles and there 720p resolutions.

Once we get actual consoles that can generate Metro level graphics which means next gen consoles we stuck with the shit.

Cause of the noob mass market.

AMD and Nvidia shot themselves in the foot by putting there Gpu's in those consoles which has now held back all GPU's since that release.
 

greenhawk

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Will be interesting to see individuals results for the in game benchmark.
Nvidia will probably like to see gtx 590 reviews include this game.

Nice idea, but a benchmark that shows 60+fps on highest settings is about as useful as looking at cpu crunching numbers from l2 cache.

the only thing the benchmarks will say is what is the slowest card to use, and that will not make nVidia or AMD happy as they want to sell fast cards, not have people put off upgrading.
 

Annisman*

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Some people here have said that gameplay > graphics, and graphic is all PC gamers care about....

Guess what ? A few games actually pull it off, having cutting edge graphics and amazing gameplay, and they are generally the best PC games out there:

Empire/Napoleon/Shogun Total War

BFBC2

Metro 2033

The entire STALKER series

Company of Heroes

Dirt2 and Grid

World in Conflict


Now all of the above ^ mentioned games pushed PC graphics in one way or another, and are some of the best PC games to date. Yes, of course that is debatable, but the official critics would agree as well.

So, for me... I will have my cake and eat it too. So stop saying that we should choose one over the other, there ARE still developers that can do both, and in fact, we should DEMAND both. If you don't you're not my style of PC gamer.

For this reason I will not purchase Crysis 2 UNLESS the DX11 patch blows me away... how can you actually regress from DX10 to DX9 ? Shameful.
 
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RussianSensation

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For this reason I will not purchase Crysis 2 UNLESS the DX11 patch blows me away... how can you actually regress from DX10 to DX9 ? Shameful.

So you are willing to forego a game which potentially has great gameplay because its graphics are not industry leading? A true gamer would never do that.

Look, you just mentioned games that have great graphics (although I'd argue that 1st 2 STALKER games, WiC and CoH are nothing special) and also have great gameplay.

Yet, you failed to mention some PC gems like Starcraft 1 & 2, Quake 3 Arena, UT1999-2004, Deus Ex, Diablo 1 & 2, Half-Life 1 & 2, Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher's Bay, Mass Effect 1 & 2, Warcraft 2 & 3, Command & Conquer Red Alert 2, Age of Mythology, Far Cry 1, GTAIV, Batman: AA, Dead Space, Bioshock, Max Payne 1 & 2, Warhammer Dawn of War, Baldur's Gate, IL2-Sturmovik, Red Baron, etc, etc. which all have outstanding gameplay but avg. graphics.

^^^ Since Crysis 2 has better graphics than the games I listed above, I guess these games are also not worth buying in your opinion? So you are basically saying unless the game has the best graphics and the best gameplay, then you won't buy it? The thing is these games are at least as good if not better than the games you mentioned in terms of enjoyment factor. Also, if a game cannot be great without great graphics, according to your theory, then should we conclude that there are no great console games?

Can you also elaborate on what DX11 'label' brings to the table over DX9 / DX10 that is SO important? I play Dirt 2 in DX11 and I can tell you DX11 is a joke in that game. I can't tell the difference between DX9 and DX11 in Dirt 2. Unless DX11 is going to drastically increase the level of detail or texture quality in Crysis 2, all it will likely bring is a massive performance hit courtesy of NV's billion tessellation triangles. Is that going to bring the game to a crawl to 25 fps like a Unigine Heaven Demo? No thanks!
 
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1h4x4s3x

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UT1999-2004
Everything after the original UT was a shadow of the former. :D
UT had sensational graphics at the time of its release (1999!). I remember being blown away by the redeemer.
Same can be said for a lot of games in your list and others were in their relative genre top-notch as well.
I rarely buy/play games but when I do, I expect great gameplay as well as up to date visuals, just like Annisman* said.
 

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So you are willing to forego a game which potentially has great gameplay because its graphics are not industry leading? A true gamer would never do that.

Look, you just mentioned games that have great graphics (although I'd argue that 1st 2 STALKER games, WiC and CoH are nothing special) and also have great gameplay.

Yet, you failed to mention some PC gems like Starcraft 1 & 2, Quake 3 Arena, UT1999-2004, Deus Ex, Diablo 1 & 2, Half-Life 1 & 2, Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher's Bay, Mass Effect 1 & 2, Warcraft 2 & 3, Command & Conquer Red Alert 2, Age of Mythology, Far Cry 1, GTAIV, Batman: AA, Dead Space, Bioshock, Max Payne 1 & 2, Warhammer Dawn of War, Baldur's Gate, IL2-Sturmovik, Red Baron, etc, etc. which all have outstanding gameplay but avg. graphics.

^^^ Since Crysis 2 has better graphics than the games I listed above, I guess these games are also not worth buying in your opinion? So you are basically saying unless the game has the best graphics and the best gameplay, then you won't buy it? The thing these games are at least as good if not better than the games you mentioned in terms of enjoyment factor. Also, if a game cannot be great without great graphics, according to your theory, then should we conclude that there are no great console games?

Can you also elaborate on what DX11 'label' brings to the table over DX9 / DX10 that is SO important? I play Dirt 2 in DX11 and I can tell you DX11 is a joke in that game. I can't tell the difference between DX9 and DX11 in Dirt 2. Unless DX11 is going to drastically increase the level of detail or texture quality in Crysis 2, all it will likely bring is a massive performance hit courtesy of NV's billion tessellation triangles. Is that going to bring the game to a crawl to 25 fps like a Unigine Heaven Demo? No thanks!

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Annisman*

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So you are willing to forego a game which potentially has great gameplay because its graphics are not industry leading? A true gamer would never do that.

Look, you just mentioned games that have great graphics (although I'd argue that 1st 2 STALKER games, WiC and CoH are nothing special) and also have great gameplay.

Yet, you failed to mention some PC gems like Starcraft 1 & 2, Quake 3 Arena, UT1999-2004, Deus Ex, Diablo 1 & 2, Half-Life 1 & 2, Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher's Bay, Mass Effect 1 & 2, Warcraft 2 & 3, Command & Conquer Red Alert 2, Age of Mythology, Far Cry 1, GTAIV, Batman: AA, Dead Space, Bioshock, Max Payne 1 & 2, Warhammer Dawn of War, Baldur's Gate, IL2-Sturmovik, Red Baron, etc, etc. which all have outstanding gameplay but avg. graphics.

^^^ Since Crysis 2 has better graphics than the games I listed above, I guess these games are also not worth buying in your opinion? So you are basically saying unless the game has the best graphics and the best gameplay, then you won't buy it? The thing is these games are at least as good if not better than the games you mentioned in terms of enjoyment factor. Also, if a game cannot be great without great graphics, according to your theory, then should we conclude that there are no great console games?

Can you also elaborate on what DX11 'label' brings to the table over DX9 / DX10 that is SO important? I play Dirt 2 in DX11 and I can tell you DX11 is a joke in that game. I can't tell the difference between DX9 and DX11 in Dirt 2. Unless DX11 is going to drastically increase the level of detail or texture quality in Crysis 2, all it will likely bring is a massive performance hit courtesy of NV's billion tessellation triangles. Is that going to bring the game to a crawl to 25 fps like a Unigine Heaven Demo? No thanks!

You're kind of cherry picking my argument here, my point was that there are many games that have BOTH features, great graphics and great gameplay.

My point NEVER touched the topic of games with 'poor' graphics and great gameplay, such as Torchlight, a game I have put over 50 hours into playing.

Nobody is going to deny there are thousands of excellent games with average graphics or worse, so why would I try and do that ? I didn't.

The MAIN reason I am willing to forgo a game like Crysis 2 is MOSTLY because I (and many others) purchased the original Crysis first and foremost for it's earth shattering graphics. Crysis 2, no matter how 'good' it looks on an 8+ year old API (8 YEARS OLD!), is a slap in the face to the hardcore gaming community, or anybody who has bought a video card since 2007.

DX11 (and 10 in this case) is so much more than many 'haters' will attribute to it. Try playing BFBC2 in DX9, then go to DX10 or DX11, 'maxed' out on both API's, and try and tell me there isn't a vast difference, because there is. Both visually, and performance wise.

Strictly using DX10 or DX11 (and coded properly) over DX9 also brings with it performance gains if IQ is remained unchanged (See Far Cry 2 DX9 vs. 10 performance numbers)

Also, your example of a DX11 game is a poor one, Dirt 2 was more of a marketing strategy for ATI and their new DX11 cards than an actual DX11 masterpiece. Just because a game HAS DX11 doesn't mean it was implimented properly, and that is on the developer. Other games (like WOW) have DX11 codepaths but do not show any difference what-so-ever, is the DX11 codepath to blame ? NO. The developers are to blame. Remember Bioshock ? DX10 cut performance alot, but did not add to quality... but I don't think many would deny that DX10 has come leaps and bounds further from that beginning.





I choose to shun Crysis 2 because of their newfound console love, their REGRESSION of technology on the PC platform, and the fact that Crysis 1's gameplay wasn't much to write home about (again most will agree with me here) I think those factors are perfectly legitimate for staying away from a game....Oh yeah, did I mention the 10 dollar console tax we get too ?

My principle keeps me from buying, if you have less principle, or other principles go ahead and buy it, I would never look down on that.

The main point I want to make, again, is that there are developers who can do BOTH great gameplay and graphics, what is wrong with wishing they were all like that ? And condemning those who refuse to.

Edit: lastly, the game I referred to were excellent graphics at RELEASE (obviously ?)
 

blastingcap

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Anyone play this game in 3D yet? Comment on the quality of Crysis 2's in-house stereoscopic 3D rendering? What eyewear were you using? Thanks.
 

Annisman*

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*If* I buy the game after a DX11 patch, and *If* I can get it for a reasonable price, I will play it on my 3D setup and let you know! (Nvidia 3D vision )
 

lsv

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anyone else notice the shadows look WAY better on very high vs. extreme?
 
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Can you also elaborate on what DX11 'label' brings to the table over DX9 / DX10 that is SO important? I play Dirt 2 in DX11 and I can tell you DX11 is a joke in that game. I can't tell the difference between DX9 and DX11 in Dirt 2.

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I hope you aren't being serious. The fog, shadows, tessellation, makes a huge difference while the game is in motion. Screens don't do it justice. Going from DX9 to DX 11 was huge. Just look at the lighting indoor while driving through Bettersea and many tracks for Malaysia. DX11 made one of my favorite games even better.
 

Qbah

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anyone else notice the shadows look WAY better on very high vs. extreme?

I noticed this on the screenshots too. Didn't buy the game yet (waiting for DX11), but I hope this is just weird on the screenshots and in-game it looks better on the highest setting... Flickery, floaty shadows always kill me... Like in Assassin's Creed 1/2/B. It took me a LONG time before I managed to start ignoring them and just focus on the gameplay and story (which are both amazing, at least in 2 and B). I wouldn't need to do it if they got everything right and I could enjoy the games from the start...
 
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allingm

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Look like they enable their screen space edge anti-aliasing in extreme mode only. They simply detect contrast in colors and blur around the area. This can cause complex textures to get blurred out. In my opinion the approach of blurring an area is not as good as blurring the edge like in the MLAA technique.

The shadows may look "worse" in extreme mode because they are soft shadows. Soft shadows are considered more realistic, but more computationally expensive. That said, they can look out of place if everything is arbitrarily soft. Do the shadows look sharper near where the shadow starts or is it just uniformly blurry? (I'm talking about contact hardening shadows.)

Does Crysis 2 really look worse than Crysis 1? ...or is this just another case of sequel syndrom. I remember thinking that Diablo 2 looked exactly the same as Diablo 1 until I went back and actually looked. Can anybody provide comparison screenshots? (I know the environments aren't really comparable, but oh well.)

MLAA: http://www.realtimerendering.com/blog/morphological-antialiasing/
Crytek AA: http://www.crytek.com/cryengine/presentations (click CryENGINE 3: reaching the speed of light presentation)
Soft shadows: http://www.gamedev.net/page/resourc...cial-effects/shadows/soft-edged-shadows-r2193 (check the end image)
Contact hardening shadows: http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/dx11/sdk_405.jpg
 

Illyusha

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I would bet that the xbox version looks better on a dedicated home theater than the corresponding HTPC version. :(

I've not yet built my HTPC, but I do understand the reason why a port would look as good or better than the PC version. Playing a game on a dedicated home theater has at least 200 times the impact of a 'desktop' experience (I play my pc games on a 28" monitor with a ti and grado sr125s).

It's unfortunate that developers don't understand the niche market of the audiophile/videophile/gamer.
 

Carfax83

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anyone else notice the shadows look WAY better on very high vs. extreme?

Whats the difference between very high and extreme? I'm download Crysis 2 off steam right now.

I heard that the only difference between very high and extreme is that the latter adds AA...which blurs the game a bit.