Crysis 2 being redesigned for GTX580?

[Dark_Archonis]

For all the strange arguments people are making that tessellation might not be a big thing in the future, look at the facts. Tessellation is the MAIN FEATURE of DirectX 11. All DirectX 11 games (meaning lots of future games) are going to use tessellation, and lots of it. Tessellation single-handedly will allow for much more realistic-looking games. It will push games forward in terms of graphics. If you actually disagree with this, then you don't understand what tessellation is and what it can do.

And many of them will not be. By the time tessellation truly matters (A Must Have!), I would doubt that most, if not all, current cards would be capable of playing said game at max settings anyway. Then, if not at max settings, it becomes a game of picking and choosing the options that have the greatest affect on image quality while taking the least amount of power to do it.

OR

You will upgrade your card to a current generation at the time of said game and enjoy it on its maximum settings.

Uh, no. Crysis 2 at max settings and high resolutions will bring almost all 5xxx and 6xxx-series AMD cards to their knees, save *MAYBE* for the high-end models.

I expect Crysis 2 at max settings to bring even the GTX 580 down to low frame rates at very high resolutions.

Crysis 2 will push tessellation performance on cards to the limit. I've seen some of the things CryEngine 3 is capable of, and impressive tessellation is one of them.

It's not a conspiracy theory. Gamers are tired of nVidia's attempts to sabotage a games experience based on hardware.

Really? You speak for ALL PC gamers out there in the world then? Give me a break .

Also you think that Crysis 2 will have only limited adjustment for graphic details? Are you serious with this assumption? Do you even think before you post? Crysis 2 will be a VERY scalable game graphically-speaking.

 

[Keysplayr]

I'd rather have visual features supported on both types of cards (ie.AA/AF, tessellation). For example with tessellation, I don't mind that ATI cards would be slower at it...at least it is supported. I don't want to have to choose cards based on specific games. Who knows what features (if any) will be nV-specific in this game...

That's easy, just choose the one that does it all. The decision couldn't be simpler IMHO.

Why would you choose a card that performs lower, or doesn't have a feature at all over the competitions?
I don't want to hear, "Well, I like to support the underdog", or, "I don't like this company's business practices". That isn't video card shopping, that is political preening.

 

[PingviN]

That's easy, just choose the one that does it all. The decision couldn't be simpler IMHO.

Why would you choose a card that performs lower, or doesn't have a feature at all over the competitions?
I don't want to hear, "Well, I like to support the underdog", or, "I don't like this company's business practices". That isn't video card shopping, that is political preening.

I think it should be up to me (metaphorically speaking) to decide what's relevant when spending money, not someone paid/supported buy a company to viral market for them.

I don't agree with Nvidias buisness practices, so why should I support them? If Nvidia wants to add IP on functions in game, fine, go ahead - I just wont buy your stuff then. It's how it works.


Personal attacks are not acceptable.

Re: "not someone paid/supported buy a company to viral market for them"

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[Lonbjerg]

I think it should be up to me (metaphorically speaking) to decide what's relevant when spending money, not someone paid/supported buy a company to viral market for them.

I don't agree with Nvidias buisness practices, so why should I support them? If Nvidia wants to add IP on functions in game, fine, go ahead - I just wont buy your stuff then. It's how it works.

But you are okay with Fuddy spreading lies...rigth?
I think most of your dislike of NVIDIA is infact based on false AMD PR.

Neither company is your friend...or really, really like you.

They like your money....stop acting like there is a difference between the two.

 

[PingviN]

But you are okay with Fuddy spreading lies...rigth?

No?

I think most of your dislike of NVIDIA is infact based on false AMD PR.

I think you're wrong.

Neither company is your friend...or really, really like you.

They like your money....stop acting like there is a difference between the two.

There is a difference between the two, and that's why I'm not buying Nvidia at the moment. I dislike Nvidia's buissness practices, obviously - you don't. See, the thing is, I don't intend to support that behavior, that's why I'm not buying Nvidia. It's not a matter of money, I make a good living, it's more a matter of principle. If Nvidia wants to put IP on a standard API call, fine, go ahead. I'm not going to buy the cards as long as Nvidia keeps that up. I don't believe it's in the gamers best interest. I don't give a crap about either AMD or Nvidia, I'm not a shareholder.

You can say AMD does the same thing, but then you should back it up with something concrete and not just your opinion.

 

[Lonyo]

That's easy, just choose the one that does it all. The decision couldn't be simpler IMHO.

Why would you choose a card that performs lower, or doesn't have a feature at all over the competitions?
I don't want to hear, "Well, I like to support the underdog", or, "I don't like this company's business practices". That isn't video card shopping, that is political preening.

The one that does all of what? Lets you run triple monitors? (You said card).
Lets you have a cool and quiet computer?
Lets you run PhysX?
Lets you play a game with tessellation on?
Lets you play a game with all those other DX11 features on?
Fits in your price bracket?

Only one of those is always going to be Nvidia (PhysX), for all the others, it's either going to be both, or you're going to have to make a choice.
There is no one size fits all. And when it comes to Crysis 2, I'm wondering if there will be any card that can play it at high everything, and that's before tessellation... (in fact, the only card that might is probably going to need to be a dual GPU card...)

 

[KitGuruFaith]

The Crytek guys are really smart and have spent a lot of time working on Crysis 2 - deciding on the best levels of image quality as they go

They were aiming for a launch in March

We're expecting, any time soon, an announcement from Crytek that there will be a delay (one quarter or more)

That announcement, if it comes, was not made before the marketing money was spent

Indications are that the GTX580 will deliver an increase in tessellation processing capability of more than 20% compared to the GTX480

The GTX480 was already way ahead of the 5870/6870

Speaking with insiders, we aniticipate that tessellation levels within Crysis 2 will increase from 'the time before the marketing money was spent'

Looking at all the information available to us, we believe that this is a solid extrapolation

If there is a delay announcement soon, then that will confirm what we have heard

Do we think it's wrong or evil? Nope. The Batman thing was different. Paying $2m to co-market a program and then 'adjusting it' your products key features sounds like good sense

As we said at the start of the article, if you have a racing car and no race track - you need to build one. That seems to be what they are doing with Crytek




BTW: Apologies for the GTX470 story. We did get it slightly wrong.
It turns out what we heard WAS correct, but for the GTX465.
Because the GTX465 was only just about to launch, we discounted that it could be the product we'd heard was set to be dropped.
Having seen the GTX460 in all its variations - you can see why GTX465 was 'born to die'.
Any story we run is well investigated first and we've scored a load of world exclusives in this area, including Manju Hegde's move, on the shelf dates and prices for most of the GTX series and the fact that nVidia would have a 50w Fermi by Xmas.
We're not perfect and happy to stand up and be counted when we miss

 

[MrK6]

Crysis 1 was a TWIMTBP game and AMD's cards still handily beat NVIDIA's offerings in it. I don't know why everyone's crying the sky is falling; wait until the game is at least released.

 

[Aristotelian]

Look at Hawk2 and Lost Planet 2.
The performance gap mirrors the perfromance gap in eg. SubD11.
Hence why Fuddy started the whole "to much tessellation crap".

I highligthed something...NVIDIA's cards perform better, that is reason enough alone...unless you don't buy after performance, but brand loyality.

See, this is what I mean about reading comprehension. Do you actually check out video card reviews as a whole or do you merely look for the tessellation page? Nvidia's cards perform better in some games and AMD's card perform better in others. Even with their tessellation performance advantage (for the moment).

My purchases are based on performance, not brand loyalty, and that is apparently why you do not address the content of my posts but merely attempt to straw man my position and turn it into a question of brand loyalty. I will break this down for you as simply as I can, take your time and read it slowly: Nvidia's cards are better at tessellation but that is not enough to make them better for gaming. This is proven in video card reviews.

This is my position in a nutshell:

As we said at the start of the article, if you have a racing car and no race track - you need to build one. That seems to be what they are doing with Crytek

And that is what both Nvidia (via developer relations (I do not see a problem with that at all)) and Nvidia's forum zealots who are continually trying to make the invalid arguments that I mentioned in my previous posts in this thread, are trying to accomplish.

 

[OCGuy]

AMD needs to STFU and dole out some of that awesome profits made form the 4xxx/5xxx/6xxx cards to the developers!!!

Link to these profits?

 

[OCGuy]

Crysis 1 was a TWIMTBP game and AMD's cards still handily beat NVIDIA's offerings in it. I don't know why everyone's crying the sky is falling; wait until the game is at least released.

Because anything nV does is a conspriacy and outrageous, while AMD intentionally lowers default IQ and Zoners give 1,000 excuses for them.

Welcome to the "root for the underdog" internet culture that AMD enjoys.

 

[Gloomy]

AMD can hardly be called the underdog. They're toe-to-toe.

Of course, AMD is still gonna ride the underdog wave until the cows come home

 

[Aristotelian]

Because anything nV does is a conspriacy and outrageous, while AMD intentionally lowers default IQ and Zoners give 1,000 excuses for them.

Welcome to the "root for the underdog" internet culture that AMD enjoys.

This isn't the CPU forum. AMD aren't underdogs when it comes to video cards. Checked out some benchmarks lately?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

All you fanbois are missing the point. Crytek isn't designing Crysis2 so it will play on the GTX580, they're making sure it won't. They don't want to lose the cachet of being unplayable on anybody's card at max settings.

 

[MrK6]

Because anything nV does is a conspriacy and outrageous, while AMD intentionally lowers default IQ and Zoners give 1,000 excuses for them.

Welcome to the "root for the underdog" internet culture that AMD enjoys.

This kind of constant fanboy drivel gets old, just stop. If you can't rise above it, don't post.

All you fanbois are missing the point. Crytek isn't designing Crysis2 so it will play on the GTX580, they're making sure it won't. They don't want to lose the cachet of being unplayable on anybody's card at max settings.

Good point, but are we sure? Did they ever say they "over-programmed" the original or did they stick to their guns and say "yeah, we make futuristic games, deal with it." Personally, I'd like to see "Enthusiast" settings with visuals that push beyond the capabilities of current hardware.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Uh, no. Crysis 2 at max settings and high resolutions will bring almost all 5xxx and 6xxx-series AMD cards to their knees, save *MAYBE* for the high-end models.

I am guessing that you misread what I had written. Read it again, please...


"And many of them will not be. By the time tessellation truly matters (A Must Have!), I would doubt that most, if not all, current cards would be capable of playing said game at max settings anyway"

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Crysis 2 is a console port that is set in New York. Don't expect it to be as graphically demanding or innovative as the original.

 

[betasub]

Crysis 2 is a console port that is set in New York. Don't expect it to be as graphically demanding or innovative as the original.

Well, that's New York for ya!

 

[RussianSensation]

Crysis 2 is a console port that is set in New York. Don't expect it to be as graphically demanding or innovative as the original.

The developers have already publicly admitted that CryEngine 2 engine was not able to properly take advantage of multi-core CPUs. Therefore, if these words from the horses mouth are indeed true, there should be a huge difference from Crysis 1 just from using faster 4-8 threaded processors. Also, by the nature of CryEngine 3 being a brand new engine, any correlation to Crysis 1 graphics performance is probably irrelevant.

Crysis 1 was a TWIMTBP game and AMD's cards still handily beat NVIDIA's offerings in it. I don't know why everyone's crying the sky is falling; wait until the game is at least released.

Forward to 1min :19 seconds in the video. Clearly PS3 has sharper textures and more foilage details in this CryEngine 3 demonstration than on Xbox360. Whether this is a result of PS3's more powerful cell processor or NV GPU optimizations or different memory sharing on the 2 consoles or a combination of these factors is impossible to tell. Still, even in its infancy in 2009, the engine was already running better on PS3 despite the Nvidia GPU that is weaker than the ATI GPU found on the X360. Therefore, like you said until the game is released it's impossible to say how much CPU/GPU power will be needed. Also, if this game will be delayed, HD7000 series might be awfully close to its release!

 

[Grooveriding]

Great. So I've had to wait five additional months for a game I've been looking forward to so nvidia can do their usual two-step shenanigans to scam their wayto more sales.

I could care less 'extreme' tessellation or not, just so long as they don't manage to pollute Crysis 2 with the steaming pile of shit that is physx.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

The developers have already publicly admitted that CryEngine 2 engine was not able to properly take advantage of multi-core CPUs. Therefore, if these words from the horses mouth are indeed true, there should be a huge difference from Crysis 1 just from using faster 4-8 threaded processors. Also, by the nature of CryEngine 3 being a brand new engine, any correlation to Crysis 1 graphics performance is probably irrelevant.

Crysis was never CPU limited though and CryEngine 3's capabilities won't be realized due to Crytek using New York as the location of the game so consoles can run it.

 

[Gloomy]

New York

What are you, racist?

 

[PingviN]

What are you, racist?

Since when is it racist to dislik a town? You don't consider New Yorkers to be a race, do you?

 

[Gloomy]

Since when is it racist to dislik a town? You don't consider New Yorkers to be a race, do you?

I was kidding :whiste:

Though I'm still baffled as to why it'd be less demanding just because it's in New York.

 

[blastingcap]

The developers have already publicly admitted that CryEngine 2 engine was not able to properly take advantage of multi-core CPUs. Therefore, if these words from the horses mouth are indeed true, there should be a huge difference from Crysis 1 just from using faster 4-8 threaded processors. Also, by the nature of CryEngine 3 being a brand new engine, any correlation to Crysis 1 graphics performance is probably irrelevant.

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/14688-cryengine-3-can-use-up-to-8-cpu-cores/

Speaking as a hexacore owner, I say it's about time more games used more than 4 cores.