Crysis 2 being redesigned for GTX580?

[SolMiester]

You completely misrepresent the argument of those against nVidia shaping the way games are developed.

I'll agree that if you believe in what you have posted (though incorrect), your argument is appealing.

What you are saying is you dont want NV paying developers to include high Tess because AMD owners cant run it!, who's fault is that?

 

[Dark_Archonis]

Forgive me for asking this but, is this all highly personal to you? It just seems that you do have a great deal of contempt over certain aspects of video gaming. And I'm just curious as hell as to why???
I think we've put up with your very bitter comments long enough now to earn the right to ask...... What's up??

I mean, Cevat Yerli a lowlife. The lying Turk. Wow. Much hateness there.

Oh yeah, and this:

"Well, we use our cards for games, not for benchmarking - and as we all know the higher the regular shader load goes the shittier NV's tessellation becomes hence some of us prefer constant decent tessellation over a benchmark-only card"

Is a pure lie. The red handed type. Would you like me to explain? Or would you like the opportunity to clear the air?

I would guess that he's an AMD PR person ... or just a very bitter fanboy. Those are just guesses though.

Extremely unlikely that crysis 2 won't run perfectly fine on AMD cards. If they cripple it somehow the backlash will be huge and it would cost them (and nvidia) TONS of sales. Not to mention, they want the cryengine to be used for other games--including ones on consoles...and you know, the x-box 360 has an AMD/ATI video card. This is just needless fearmongering imho. The game won't be crippled for half the market. If there's nvidia specific optimizations it'll probably be like mafia2--you get a few little perks, but nothing preventing the game from being just as good for AMD users.

So anyway, don't panic! Enjoy whichever brand you prefer most.

This has very little to do with "crippling". Currently, Nvidia cards are better at tessellation than AMD cards. I don't see that changing with the AMD 6900 cards vs the GTX 580.

If Crysis 2 features very heavy tessellation (as has been highly rumored), then it's very likely the game under high settings will play better on a GTX 580 than any AMD single-GPU card.

 

[T2k]

Forgive me for asking this but, is this all highly personal to you? It just seems that you do have a great deal of contempt over certain aspects of video gaming. And I'm just curious as hell as to why???
I think we've put up with your very bitter comments long enough now to earn the right to ask...... What's up??

With what? I explained several times that I find Nvidia's crooked-curropt business practices disgusting, its Great Leader to be a showoff and a lying sack of <insert something here> who's worthy of criminal charges for several reasons... can you think of any other company showing up a wooden card as a prototype, only to fool investors and deceive them when he already knew the card won't be out for another 6+ months, before next Spring?

I mean, Cevat Yerli a lowlife. The lying Turk. Wow. Much hateness there.

See above. I know this type, this jelly-faced whining billionaire, beating up the drums about piracy while taking in the biggest sales checks and pocket money from Nvidia for 'special treatment'...

Oh yeah, and this:

"Well, we use our cards for games, not for benchmarking - and as we all know the higher the regular shader load goes the shittier NV's tessellation becomes hence some of us prefer constant decent tessellation over a benchmark-only card"

Is a pure lie. The red handed type.

Oh really? And how come?

Would you like me to explain? Or would you like the opportunity to clear the air?

Go ahead but I'm pretty sure I''ll rather go with other, less "NV-RDF'ed" explanations...

 

[T2k]

I would guess that he's an AMD PR person ... or just a very bitter fanboy. Those are just guesses though.



This has very little to do with "crippling". Currently, Nvidia cards are better at tessellation than AMD cards. I don't see that changing with the AMD 6900 cards vs the GTX 580.

You must know a lot of things about nonexisting products then...


...the last thing a sane person would expect is that ATI will leave it unchanged.

If Crysis 2 features very heavy tessellation (as has been highly rumored), then it's very likely the game under high settings will play better on a GTX 580 than any AMD single-GPU card.

Or not, you have no clue nor any idea how any of them work actually.
As I said if you raise the load on the card it will have less and less resources for tessellation... which can change in the so-called GTX580 if it ever comes out.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Well, I can't wait. I really enjoyed both Crysis and Warhead. I'm sure my Radeon will play the game fine, no matter how much nV-friendly the game will be. They won't be using PhysX IMO because:

1. That's cutting half the PC market from getting advanced physics
2. Their in-house physics engine is amazing, so it would be like taking 5 steps back

Tessellation? I sure hope they implement everything they can to improve visual quality that everybody can (eventually) experience. I'll probably need to drop it to low or something, but I'm sure the game will still look amazing.

The bolded part is false, a GPU is waaaaaay better for physics that even an i7 (socket 1336) by a major factor.

 

[Acanthus]

And many of them will not be. By the time tessellation truly matters (A Must Have!), I would doubt that most, if not all, current cards would be capable of playing said game at max settings anyway. Then, if not at max settings, it becomes a game of picking and choosing the options that have the greatest affect on image quality while taking the least amount of power to do it.

OR

You will upgrade your card to a current generation at the time of said game and enjoy it on its maximum settings.

He likes watching the tessellation demos at 12fps. ATi can only do 9fps.

Must like every major feature before it (even versions of directX) by the time it is actually adopted the mid range cards can push it.

 

[Lonbjerg]

He likes watching the tessellation demos at 12fps. ATi can only do 9fps.

Must like every major feature before it (even versions of directX) by the time it is actually adopted the mid range cards can push it.

No, games where developed on AMD hardware, now their limitions are not going to hold developers back anymore

 

[Dark_Archonis]

Or not, you have no clue nor any idea how any of them work actually.
As I said if you raise the load on the card it will have less and less resources for tessellation... which can change in the so-called GTX580 if it ever comes out.

I have no clue how what works? Exactly what are you referring to, tessellation? That's an awfully ambitious assumption you have there.

If you're referring to the GTX 580, YOU don't know how it "works" either.

From your posts, it does sound like you don't quite understand what the purpose of tessellation is.

 

[T2k]

I have no clue how what works? Exactly what are you referring to, tessellation? That's an awfully ambitious assumption you have there.

How tessellation in the upcoming Crysis works and how GTX580 in general works. Yes, you have no clue about either of them (sans the case of being Cevat Yerli but he'll never show up here, that'd require a man, not him. )

If you're referring to the GTX 580, YOU don't know how it "works" either.

I can tell you are new - these lame strawman tricks do not fly here.
In case you forgot it was you who made the claims, not me - based on nothing, of course.

From your posts, it does sound like you don't quite understand what the purpose of tessellation is.

Oh, God, another HOBE... 58 posts and already knows everybody and everything...

 

[Attic]

What you are saying is you dont want NV paying developers to include high Tess....


because AMD owners cant run it!, who's fault is that?

First part is what I have a problem with. Developers ought to be implementing features how they see fit and if IHV's can help with that vision then i'm all for it.

I have a problem with developers being paid to sculpt nVIdia's vision of a game because it has hurt gamers before and hurts gamers in the future if this kind of marketing continues and expands.

 

[Dark_Archonis]

How tessellation in the upcoming Crysis works and how GTX580 in general works. Yes, you have no clue about either of them (sans the case of being Cevat Yerli but he'll never show up here, that'd require a man, not him. )

I can tell you are new - these lame strawman tricks do not fly here.
In case you forgot it was you who made the claims, not me - based on nothing, of course

Oh, God, another HOBE... 58 posts and already knows everybody and everything...

I am genuinely curious, is it your mission on these forums to make everything Nvidia-related a personal argument? I find it amazing that you are allowed to continue to post here.

You can think whatever you want of me, and you can proclaim yourself "l33t" master of these forums for all I care .

I know what I know about the GTX 580 and tessellation. I don't have anything to prove.

The sad part is that you're not really fooling other people on these forums. The only person you're fooling is yourself.

 

[T2k]

First part is what I have a problem with. Developers ought to be implementing features how they see fit and if IHV's can help with that vision then i'm all for it.

I have a problem with developers being paid to sculpt nVIdia's vision of a game because it has hurt gamers before and hurts gamers in the future if this kind of marketing continues and expands.

THIS.

I really don't care if IHVs help them - as long as they don't try to pull "copyright" and similar lies a' la Nvidia (regular DX11 AA working fine on ATI as soon as vendor ID masked to show NV etc.) Simply awful and all they achieve is turning off a lot of future buyers - it's going to be hard to wrestle back the market share pole position from ATI with disgusting tricks like these...

 

[OCGuy]

Something needs to be done about this guy.....

 

[MrK6]

Something needs to be done about this guy.....

Yeah, why the hell is there an AMD shill here? This forum only has room for all the NVIDIA shills.

 

[ginfest]

Yeah, why the hell is there an AMD shill here? This forum only has room for all the NVIDIA shills.

Edit: why bother

 

[Lonbjerg]

Yeah, why the hell is there an AMD shill here? This forum only has room for all the NVIDIA shills.

Who says there is only one?

 

[Lonyo]

Who says there is only one?

Who says there are any? An NV shill? I'm sold!

 

[Lonbjerg]

Who says there are any? An NV shill? I'm sold!

I have no affilitation with NVIDIA.
I have no affilitation with AMD.
I have no affilitation with Intel.
I have no affilitation with *insert PC hardware vendor here*

I do have some affiliation with Juniper, Foundry and ZyXEL...but that is hardly relevant here...and strictly job related.

But know that we know that there are both (out in the open) NVIDIA focus members on this board...and (not out in the open) AMD viral marketing shills on this board...it gives a whole new perspective on things...right? :sneaky:

 

[Genx87]

Yeah, why the hell is there an AMD shill here? This forum only has room for all the NVIDIA shills.

Hey you called him an AMD shill, not me

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Yeah, why the hell is there an AMD shill here? This forum only has room for all the NVIDIA shills.

Lol, yeah, T2K is a fanboy if Ive ever seen one, but the reason for this is he has to compensate the forum bias of some 5-6 nvidia fanboys all by himself :awe:

 

[Lonyo]

I have no affilitation with NVIDIA.
I have no affilitation with AMD.
I have no affilitation with Intel.
I have no affilitation with *insert PC hardware vendor here*

I do have some affiliation with Juniper, Foundry and ZyXEL...but that is hardly relevant here...and strictly job related.

But know that we know that there are both (out in the open) NVIDIA focus members on this board...and (not out in the open) AMD viral marketing shills on this board...it gives a whole new perspective on things...right? :sneaky:

If you mean keysplayr's link to a thread from before AMD bought ATI (he's the 'shill' I meant, I wasn't suggesting it was you), then that's 1) old and 2) from when ATI was ATI.

Is there any evidence AMD has invested in viral marketing which includes people posting on forums? Or anything since 2006? (Obviously since it's not supposed to be obvious they probably wouldn't broadcast their efforts).
The only thing a Google search turns up is promoting an event back in 2006, and some "viral videos" which have been uploaded to Youtube showcasing products.

Since "we know" there are AMD viral marketers, apparently, is there actual evidence beyond hearsay?
I'm sure people might think someone such as yourself could be an NV viral marketer, because of they zeal with which you post support of NV. Surely it should be easy to believe people could have a similar attitude towards AMD/ATI products?


Although it does kind of take this thread off on a completely unrelated tangent.

 

[Red Storm]

I would actually be surprised if AMD had paid shills on this forum. Not because I think they're angels or anything, but because AMD's marketing is usually the definition of fail when it comes to the enthusiast crowd. Also they have way less money to spend on things like this compared to NVIDIA.

Facts are facts though. NVIDIA marketers on AT was and is a fact. AMD marketers is speculation until proven otherwise (IMHO).

 

[dust]

I think there's something wrong with the title. I mean, it is being redesigned for 580 only???!. What about the current Fermi lineup below 580( like the rest of it only), is it going to be insufficient just as the current AMD cards? Seems to me all this discussion is for nothing if the required level is 580. The 480 is what 15-20% slower than this and if that renders it unusable for the game then I wouldn't come like Tarzan about 580 also.

We have yet to see the performance of Cayman and Antilles with regards to the tessellation and overall performance to actually know what's what about this article.

Maybe I'm missing something

 

[T2k]

I have no affilitation with NVIDIA.
I have no affilitation with AMD.
I have no affilitation with Intel.
I have no affilitation with *insert PC hardware vendor here*

Same here sans the fact we use CUDA for our high-end in-house apps.

I do have some affiliation with Juniper, Foundry and ZyXEL...but that is hardly relevant here...and strictly job related.

So you are already more of a shill then 99&#37; of this forum including me, work-related or not...

But know that we know that there are both (out in the open) NVIDIA focus members on this board...and (not out in the open) AMD viral marketing shills on this board...it gives a whole new perspective on things...right? :sneaky:

What a lame crap accusation... yeah, like if NV shills are out in the open - they are typically NOT - and like if we were ever able to figure out any AMD agents, they way like it became obvious w/ Rollo & Nvidia...

You're pulling out your accusations from your bottom part, pal, it's pretty obvious and truly destructive.
Man up and speak up or I will request some moderator action here.

 

[T2k]

I would actually be surprised if AMD had paid shills on this forum. Not because I think they're angels or anything, but because AMD's marketing is usually the definition of fail when it comes to the enthusiast crowd. Also they have way less money to spend on things like this compared to NVIDIA.

Facts are facts though. NVIDIA marketers on AT was and is a fact. AMD marketers is speculation until proven otherwise (IMHO).

Exactly my point.