Cryogenic Car Engine gets 120MPG!!!

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Lifer
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There is a man who fills up his tank once every two months. One tank of gas, literally, lasts him two months. He is freezing the price of gas by freezing something else.

People complain about the price of gas and we are all spending dearly to stay on the road these days. The money we spend on gas seems to burn up faster than the fuel.

While there may be little rhyme or reason to why the prices are on a perpetual roller-coaster, there is one man who has found a way to freeze them in their tracks, literally.

David Hutchison is a Cryogenics expert. He built this Cryo-Process himself. He runs a business out of his garage where he cryogenically tempers all kinds of metals. He submerges them in a frozen tank of nitrogen vapor that is 300 degrees below zero.

David says, ?During that time, at minus 300 degrees, the molecules slow down. Then they reorganize themselves. That's when the actual chemical change happens.?

Hutchison cryogenically tempers machine parts, tools, golf clubs and even razors. He says it makes them last three to five times longer.

A few years ago he began an experiment on his hybrid Honda, freezing the engine components. The results were a fuel-efficiency dream.

David Hutchison says, ?You should expect a ?Cryo'd? engine to last anywhere from 600,000 to 1 million miles without wearing out.?

A hybrid Honda typically gets really great gas mileage anyway, around 50 miles to the gallon, but David Hutchison's cryogenically tempered engine has been known to get close to 120 miles a gallon.

?It's just a very efficient vehicle.? Hutchison says,

Racers have picked up on David's trick of cryogenically freezing car parts. It is now widely accepted among NASCAR and Indy-car racers.

Hutchison has no plans of taking his Honda to the track. His prize is in his pocketbook.

David says, ?I thought about selling it, but gas prices keep going up. So, I thought, I'm not going to sell it.?

Hutchison tells us cryogenically tempering car parts has more benefits than just fuel efficiency. He freezes all of the brake rotors at a car dealership near his home in Missouri. It makes them last three to five times longer.

http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=3390503&nav=6uy5aHLq
 

Vette73

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Sorry but how would making the metal better allow more energy to come out of gas? Yes I know of what he is doing and racers have done it for a while, but that just makes the parts stronger, not give them magic powers.
 

dxkj

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If you took all the advances we have and put them together in one car, we could get 200 miles per gallon on a car that would run for 20 years with no maintenance.



Whats the point, car manufacturers are in bed with Big oil,.... so we are still boned.
 

StageLeft

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Apparently he's frozen his brain. I don't believe this for a minute that simply cryogenically cooling the crap out of the engine components suddenly doubles or more his gas mileage. Utter nonsense.
He freezes all of the brake rotors at a car dealership near his home in Missouri. It makes them last three to five times longer.
A company named frozen rotors does that, so he's definitely not the first (they may not be either--I'm not sure).
 

toekramp

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so he freezes the parts...then thaws them...profit? i'm retarded, have no clue what is going on here.
 

Vette73

Lifer
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Originally posted by: dxkj
If you took all the advances we have and put them together in one car, we could get 200 miles per gallon on a car that would run for 20 years with no maintenance.



Whats the point, car manufacturers are in bed with Big oil,.... so we are still boned.


Please tell me you are joking? If that was the case then one group would come out with a 100+ mpg car and own the market.

Go put your foil hat back on and stop posting, thanks

 

Demon-Xanth

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Originally posted by: dxkj
If you took all the advances we have and put them together in one car, we could get 200 miles per gallon on a car that would run for 20 years with no maintenance.



Whats the point, car manufacturers are in bed with Big oil,.... so we are still boned.

....that car would cost $11B.
 

dxkj

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: dxkj
If you took all the advances we have and put them together in one car, we could get 200 miles per gallon on a car that would run for 20 years with no maintenance.



Whats the point, car manufacturers are in bed with Big oil,.... so we are still boned.


Please tell me you are joking? If that was the case then one group would come out with a 100+ mpg car and own the market.

Go put your foil hat back on and stop posting, thanks


You had it right the first part....

The point of my post was to say we hear of 100 ways to make these UBER LEET KICKASS CARS, that will never break and get 123123 miles per gallon, but no one ever produces them, and they use excuses like the manufacturers being in bed with Big Oil.


If something actually REALLY worked, and could be mass produced, SOMEONE would take advantage of that....

 

James3shin

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I still don't understand how it improves efficiency...i can see the benefits in terms of structural strength and reduction in "wear and tear" but efficiency?
 

loic2003

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Originally posted by: dxkj
If you took all the advances we have and put them together in one car, we could get 200 miles per gallon on a car that would run for 20 years with no maintenance.



Whats the point, car manufacturers are in bed with Big oil,.... so we are still boned.


Engines crap out loads of heat (eg huge radiators in every car) plus loads of unburnt fuel, plus make loads of noise: they're proper inefficient. That's why they use lots of fuel.

Metal rubs against metal inside yor engine, lubricated only by layers of oil. That's why cars don't last long.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: dxkj
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: dxkj
If you took all the advances we have and put them together in one car, we could get 200 miles per gallon on a car that would run for 20 years with no maintenance.



Whats the point, car manufacturers are in bed with Big oil,.... so we are still boned.


Please tell me you are joking? If that was the case then one group would come out with a 100+ mpg car and own the market.

Go put your foil hat back on and stop posting, thanks


You had it right the first part....

lol



Well on THIS board you never know what someone will post and be serious :p
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: James3shin
I still don't understand how it improves efficiency...i can see the benefits in terms of structural strength and reduction in "wear and tear" but efficiency?
It might make the parts a bit harder and reduce friction by some small amount, but the 120 is simply fallacious. The person who wrote the article is an idiot.
 

DrPizza

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I can see some gain in efficiency. With stronger, stiffer metal, you won't lose as much energy to the metal constantly flexing (very slightly). But, to double the efficiency? That's like saying that by making sneakers identical in size, but slightly more springy (or something), a runner would be able to run twice as fast.
 

misle

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It is interesting. I would like to see that car submitted to an independent party for testing.
 

exilera

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Maybe this should be posted in the Highly Technical forum; someone might be able to answer the fuel efficiency question.
 

PowerMacG5

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How is a reordering of the location of the molecules a chemical change? Isn't that simply a change of the material structure. I was always under the impression that a chemical change implied a change in the chemical structure itself (like burning a piece of paper). I think this guy is just some crackpot.

I can possible see how this might work if say the freezing a thawing process reorganized the molecules in the combustion chamber so that the sleeve where the piston moves up and down is made smoother, so less energy is lost to friction (and heat).
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Apparently he's frozen his brain. I don't believe this for a minute that simply cryogenically cooling the crap out of the engine components suddenly doubles or more his gas mileage. Utter nonsense.

QFT.

This guy is just plugging his business by making some really bogus claims.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: exilera
Maybe this should be posted in the Highly Technical forum; someone might be able to answer the fuel efficiency question.


It belongs in P&N so all the wacko conspiracy theorists can talk about it. This guy's claims are nonsense.