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[dullard]

Lets see, there are 7 undefeated teams and 14 teams with just 1 loss. Thus, there are 21 teams that still can make a valid argument that they deserve a shot at the national championship game. Notre Dame is ranked #10 and #11 in the polls, #9 in the BCS. So Notre Dame is right in the middle of that pack.

For a team without a quality win (their best is a 4 point win over BCS #24 Georgia Tech), and a team with two very lucky come from behind wins over just average teams, how can anyone argue that they should be above the middle of that pack?

The only polls that matter are the final polls. Jumping here or there in between is meaningless. Arguing about a meaningless poll really makes you silly.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: wyvrn
It's laughable that people are dogging a top ten team (or #11 depending on the poll you look at). The polls get pretty close to accurate on where a team should be. There may be a couple of spots off on occasion, but by this time in the season they are pretty accurate. ND is a solid team which has holes, just like every other team. Look at USC, they have been winning very close battles lately. Texas almost got beat by a Nebraska team which is not in it's class. A lot of top teams will lose a game and have close calls during the season, that's just the way a season goes. The only 2 teams which have pretty much been dominant all season are Michigan and OSU, and they are ranked where they should be.

Bash all you want, but the ND program is on the right track lol!

Ladies and gentlemen, a Notre Lame fan.

Ladies and gentlemen, a biased Notre Dame hater most likely just jealous of their resurgent success. Hell, I went to Penn State and still don't hate Notre Dame, pathetic how some of you people pick the teams you hate, and how it's so hip and trendy to hate Notre Dame right now. But hey, whatever helps make you feel superior.

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
It's laughable that people are dogging a top ten team (or #11 depending on the poll you look at). The polls get pretty close to accurate on where a team should be. There may be a couple of spots off on occasion, but by this time in the season they are pretty accurate. ND is a solid team which has holes, just like every other team. Look at USC, they have been winning very close battles lately. Texas almost got beat by a Nebraska team which is not in it's class. A lot of top teams will lose a game and have close calls during the season, that's just the way a season goes. The only 2 teams which have pretty much been dominant all season are Michigan and OSU, and they are ranked where they should be.

Bash all you want, but the ND program is on the right track lol!

uh, dogging a top ten team? (#11 actually). its dogging the coach who thinks his team should be rated higher than they are. nebraska had the game at home, under miserable weather conditions that suited their offense. nebraska is superior to the teams nd has struggled against, and texas and usc both will slam nd head-to-head. as would tennessee, florida, both of whom weis was complaining about lol!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: wyvrn

For your first point, yes you HAD a point, but not in the post I quoted. Please try to keep up.

For your second point, I agree that there is a reason why ND dropped, but I don't support the logic as is the point Weiss is trying to make. He really should have said, 'the poll system is screwed up and it needs improvement'.' I think that is the point he was trying to make, and many people agree. He has to adjust to it however. He is not in the pros anymore and any semblance of objectivity in rankings, or national championships, goes out the window in college until a playoff system used in almost all other college and pro sports is implemented.

what is unobjective about seeing a team play poorly and worse than expected, and so next week you rank them lower? if you had them as the 4th ranked team, and they played like the 15th ranked team, wouldn't that make you rethink where you've got them ranked? if anything is unreasonable, it's holding a team steady after they underperform.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: wyvrn
It's laughable that people are dogging a top ten team (or #11 depending on the poll you look at). The polls get pretty close to accurate on where a team should be. There may be a couple of spots off on occasion, but by this time in the season they are pretty accurate. ND is a solid team which has holes, just like every other team. Look at USC, they have been winning very close battles lately. Texas almost got beat by a Nebraska team which is not in it's class. A lot of top teams will lose a game and have close calls during the season, that's just the way a season goes. The only 2 teams which have pretty much been dominant all season are Michigan and OSU, and they are ranked where they should be.

Bash all you want, but the ND program is on the right track lol!

Ladies and gentlemen, a Notre Lame fan.

Ladies and gentlemen, a biased Notre Dame hater most likely just jealous of their resurgent success. Hell, I went to Penn State and still don't hate Notre Dame, pathetic how some of you people pick the teams you hate, and how it's so hip and trendy to hate Notre Dame right now. But hey, whatever helps make you feel superior.

Exactly.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: wyvrn
It's laughable that people are dogging a top ten team (or #11 depending on the poll you look at). The polls get pretty close to accurate on where a team should be. There may be a couple of spots off on occasion, but by this time in the season they are pretty accurate. ND is a solid team which has holes, just like every other team. Look at USC, they have been winning very close battles lately. Texas almost got beat by a Nebraska team which is not in it's class. A lot of top teams will lose a game and have close calls during the season, that's just the way a season goes. The only 2 teams which have pretty much been dominant all season are Michigan and OSU, and they are ranked where they should be.

Bash all you want, but the ND program is on the right track lol!

Ladies and gentlemen, a Notre Lame fan.

Ladies and gentlemen, a biased Notre Dame hater most likely just jealous of their resurgent success. Hell, I went to Penn State and still don't hate Notre Dame, pathetic how some of you people pick the teams you hate, and how it's so hip and trendy to hate Notre Dame right now. But hey, whatever helps make you feel superior.

I actually hate Notre Lame because of Lou Holtz. I've hated them since I was a kid (Holtz graduated from my HS).

I'm most definately not a bandwagon hater...I hate their recent media lovefest and I loved it when they were regularly getting their ass beat.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: wyvrn

For your first point, yes you HAD a point, but not in the post I quoted. Please try to keep up.

For your second point, I agree that there is a reason why ND dropped, but I don't support the logic as is the point Weiss is trying to make. He really should have said, 'the poll system is screwed up and it needs improvement'.' I think that is the point he was trying to make, and many people agree. He has to adjust to it however. He is not in the pros anymore and any semblance of objectivity in rankings, or national championships, goes out the window in college until a playoff system used in almost all other college and pro sports is implemented.

what is unobjective about seeing a team play poorly and worse than expected, and so next week you rank them lower? if you had them as the 4th ranked team, and they played like the 15th ranked team, wouldn't that make you rethink where you've got them ranked? if anything is unreasonable, it's holding a team steady after they underperform.

You are completely missing his point. Teams that leapfrogged him either didn't even play, or had THE SAME TYPE OF PERFORMANCE against similar teams. Now you can argue that Nebraska is better than UCLA and I agree, however, UCLA is a solid team that has had recent success and gives every team a run for their money. So it's not like ND was playing San Jose State last weekend. But in the end, I think the polls have them ranked about where they should be ranked.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: wyvrn
It's laughable that people are dogging a top ten team (or #11 depending on the poll you look at). The polls get pretty close to accurate on where a team should be. There may be a couple of spots off on occasion, but by this time in the season they are pretty accurate. ND is a solid team which has holes, just like every other team. Look at USC, they have been winning very close battles lately. Texas almost got beat by a Nebraska team which is not in it's class. A lot of top teams will lose a game and have close calls during the season, that's just the way a season goes. The only 2 teams which have pretty much been dominant all season are Michigan and OSU, and they are ranked where they should be.

Bash all you want, but the ND program is on the right track lol!

Ladies and gentlemen, a Notre Lame fan.

Ladies and gentlemen, a biased Notre Dame hater most likely just jealous of their resurgent success. Hell, I went to Penn State and still don't hate Notre Dame, pathetic how some of you people pick the teams you hate, and how it's so hip and trendy to hate Notre Dame right now. But hey, whatever helps make you feel superior.

I actually hate Notre Lame because of Lou Holtz. I've hated them since I was a kid (Holtz graduated from my HS).


Well at least you are admitting that you are not objective. That's a start.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: wyvrn


You are completely missing his point. Teams that leapfrogged him either didn't even play, or had THE SAME TYPE OF PERFORMANCE against similar teams. Now you can argue that Nebraska is better than UCLA and I agree, however, UCLA is a solid team that has had recent success and gives every team a run for their money. So it's not like ND was playing San Jose State last weekend. But in the end, I think the polls have them ranked about where they should be ranked.

Texas lost votes in the people polls (where performance matters). Texas gained a lot in the computer polls (where only the win matters). i'm not sure how ND fared with the voters. UCLA is a mediocre team, according to the computers. UNL is a decent team, according to the computers. and isn't the same type of performance against a better team a better performance?

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: wyvrn

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: wyvrn
It's laughable that people are dogging a top ten team (or #11 depending on the poll you look at). The polls get pretty close to accurate on where a team should be. There may be a couple of spots off on occasion, but by this time in the season they are pretty accurate. ND is a solid team which has holes, just like every other team. Look at USC, they have been winning very close battles lately. Texas almost got beat by a Nebraska team which is not in it's class. A lot of top teams will lose a game and have close calls during the season, that's just the way a season goes. The only 2 teams which have pretty much been dominant all season are Michigan and OSU, and they are ranked where they should be.

Bash all you want, but the ND program is on the right track lol!

Ladies and gentlemen, a Notre Lame fan.

Ladies and gentlemen, a biased Notre Dame hater most likely just jealous of their resurgent success. Hell, I went to Penn State and still don't hate Notre Dame, pathetic how some of you people pick the teams you hate, and how it's so hip and trendy to hate Notre Dame right now. But hey, whatever helps make you feel superior.

I actually hate Notre Lame because of Lou Holtz. I've hated them since I was a kid (Holtz graduated from my HS).

Well at least you are admitting that you are not objective. That's a start.

Hell, we could line up the 3 tubbies and listen to them all bitch & moan about how unfair life is.

Fulmer can bitch about Spurrier
Weis can bitch about the ND media lovefest is pretty much over
Mangino can just bitch about anything

 

[BrokenVisage]

Ah, well, I can see hating Notre Dame because of Lou Holtz. Looks like Weis is on his way to being even more hated then Holtz was too. Still, I can't see totally hating a team just because of the coach.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: wyvrn


You are completely missing his point. Teams that leapfrogged him either didn't even play, or had THE SAME TYPE OF PERFORMANCE against similar teams. Now you can argue that Nebraska is better than UCLA and I agree, however, UCLA is a solid team that has had recent success and gives every team a run for their money. So it's not like ND was playing San Jose State last weekend. But in the end, I think the polls have them ranked about where they should be ranked.

Texas lost votes in the people polls (where performance matters). Texas gained a lot in the computer polls (where only the win matters). i'm not sure how ND fared with the voters. UCLA is a mediocre team, according to the computers. UNL is a decent team, according to the computers. and isn't the same type of performance against a better team a better performance?

Yes you have a slight point even though ND scored a touchdown at the end. But I agree with Weiss that Texas should not have moved up and ND down, based on last week. Personally I think UT has much more talent than ND, and given time with their freshman QB would be an even better team than they are now. But based on last week, I don't see the movement as justified.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: jjsole
They suck. I've said it before and I'll say it again, that I've said it before, and I'll probably say it again before the season's over.

Although, it will be fun to see them get obliterated in a bowl game.

You can say that again.

No doubt they will be invited to a bowl - all Notre Dame has had to do in the past is field a mens football team and arrive at each stadium on game day, regardless of their actual performance.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Yes you have a slight point even though ND scored a touchdown at the end. But I agree with Weiss that Texas should not have moved up and ND down, based on last week. Personally I think UT has much more talent than ND, and given time with their freshman QB would be an even better team than they are now. But based on last week, I don't see the movement as justified.

You are looking at it wrong. Notre Dame wasn't dropped because of poor performance. Notre Dame was dropped because LAST week's poll was incorrect. This week, they corrected their prior mistakes.

You seem to be arguing that the prior polls were correct and that this week's poll is incorrect.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Ah, well, I can see hating Notre Dame because of Lou Holtz. Looks like Weis is on his way to being even more hated then Holtz was too. Still, I can't see totally hating a team just because of the coach.

Where does this Lou Holtz hating come from anyway?

Anyway, who really cares that Weis questions the polls? Lots of coaches do from time to time. On one hand I'm glad the media's love affair with ND is apparently over, but on the other hand I'm not going to sit here and say ND sucks. Having a losing record = sucks. Where ND deserves to be will be sorted out when they play USC.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: wyvrn

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Nothing new (OVERRATED) with Notre Shame except they now have a coach who whines like your little sister. I don't remember Tyrone ever doing that. Thank God my team's coach doesn't whine like a little sissy like this fatass.

Nice editorial comments. Anything valuable to say?

Like Weiss has a point that the rating system is not perfect. He's right it's not, which is why we should get rid of it and just go to a playoff system.

Valuable, hmm. Okay, Q: why is Brady Quinn still being considered for the Heisman after choking in his biggest game of the season, and making comebacks over unranked teams they should be blowing out? Answer: Because Notre Shame is OVERRATED! Everything comes back to that point, as well as the fact that Quinn was way way overhyped before the season started. I can't wait till you guys lose another Bowl game this year after playing another superior team due to aforementioned point.

How does it feel to lick the boots of the Big Ten and Big East? Not only would WVU stomp a mudhole in Notre Shame, but Louisville and Rutgers would get sloppy seconds on Weis's fatass. Nothing pleases me more than laughing at this sht-talking shrimp kid at the gym who said ND was this, ND was that before the season started and how they would finish higher than all the teams of the Big East and Big Ten after this season (he bet $50). I can't wait to spend that $50 at WVU's Bowl game this year.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Ah, well, I can see hating Notre Dame because of Lou Holtz. Looks like Weis is on his way to being even more hated then Holtz was too. Still, I can't see totally hating a team just because of the coach.

I was swamped with the ND lovefest growing up b/c of the size of my hometown & Lou Holtz being ND's head coach.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Ah, well, I can see hating Notre Dame because of Lou Holtz. Looks like Weis is on his way to being even more hated then Holtz was too. Still, I can't see totally hating a team just because of the coach.

Where does this Lou Holtz hating come from anyway?

Anyway, who really cares that Weis questions the polls? Lots of coaches do from time to time. On one hand I'm glad the media's love affair with ND is apparently over, but on the other hand I'm not going to sit here and say ND sucks. Having a losing record = sucks. Where ND deserves to be will be sorted out when they play USC.

Yup, the only time you'll ever see me root for Notre Shame will be that USC game. They have the power to send my team to the national championship (assuming they can beat UL and RU), but I bet they choke and Fraidy Quinn runs out of "comeback" passes since USC isn't unranked.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Ah, well, I can see hating Notre Dame because of Lou Holtz. Looks like Weis is on his way to being even more hated then Holtz was too. Still, I can't see totally hating a team just because of the coach.

Where does this Lou Holtz hating come from anyway?

Anyway, who really cares that Weis questions the polls? Lots of coaches do from time to time. On one hand I'm glad the media's love affair with ND is apparently over, but on the other hand I'm not going to sit here and say ND sucks. Having a losing record = sucks. Where ND deserves to be will be sorted out when they play USC.

Yup, the only time you'll ever see me root for Notre Shame will be that USC game. They have the power to send my team to the national championship (assuming they can beat UL and RU), but I bet they choke and Fraidy Quinn runs out of "comeback" passes since USC isn't unranked.

If USC is undefeated heading into that game you'll be pulling for ND (provided WVU wins out...I have my doubts).

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Ah, well, I can see hating Notre Dame because of Lou Holtz. Looks like Weis is on his way to being even more hated then Holtz was too. Still, I can't see totally hating a team just because of the coach.

Where does this Lou Holtz hating come from anyway?

Anyway, who really cares that Weis questions the polls? Lots of coaches do from time to time. On one hand I'm glad the media's love affair with ND is apparently over, but on the other hand I'm not going to sit here and say ND sucks. Having a losing record = sucks. Where ND deserves to be will be sorted out when they play USC.

Yup, the only time you'll ever see me root for Notre Shame will be that USC game. They have the power to send my team to the national championship (assuming they can beat UL and RU), but I bet they choke and Fraidy Quinn runs out of "comeback" passes since USC isn't unranked.

If USC is undefeated heading into that game you'll be pulling for ND (provided WVU wins out...I have my doubts).

Yeah that's what I said, ND can send my team to the Nat Champ but I'm betting they choke because let's face it, look at what they've done this season (although USC hasn't been THAT much more impressive).

 

[preslove]

It's shockingly unprofessional of him to whine like this. I thought ND's program was supposed to be classy? :roll:

He's definitely a notch lower in my book after this.