I think the "manager" that the OP contacted was yanking his chain. And all the "they don't know because the bids for the IC's aren't in" posters are just as clueless.
Micron has been making memory IC's for 25 years and their consumer division, Crucial, has been selling to the public since 1996. To think otherwise is ludicrous.
If you just go to Micron's DRAM page, mysteriously you'll find a link on that page to Crucial.com.....now why would Crucial end up on Micron's webpage if they weren't part and parcel of one another?
The answer to the OP's question is.........Crucial Ballistix DDR2 memory uses Micron D9 IC's exclusively...no others. I don't think anyone who has taken a Ballistix heat spreader off a strip of Crucial Ballistix DDR2 RAM has ever found anything underneath but Micron D9 IC's. Please provide a link for me showing it if this is incorrect.....but, of course, it's not.
But why on earth would one of the largest IC manufacturers, Micron, use any one else's memory IC's in their memory chips? It just wouldn't make sense on so many fronts.....economic for one.
This is taken directly from Micron's Retail Customer FAQ:
http://www.micron.com/support/designsupport/faq/retail
Hope this settles who Crucial is and why Micron IC's would only be used in Crucial memory products.
Micron has been making memory IC's for 25 years and their consumer division, Crucial, has been selling to the public since 1996. To think otherwise is ludicrous.
If you just go to Micron's DRAM page, mysteriously you'll find a link on that page to Crucial.com.....now why would Crucial end up on Micron's webpage if they weren't part and parcel of one another?
The answer to the OP's question is.........Crucial Ballistix DDR2 memory uses Micron D9 IC's exclusively...no others. I don't think anyone who has taken a Ballistix heat spreader off a strip of Crucial Ballistix DDR2 RAM has ever found anything underneath but Micron D9 IC's. Please provide a link for me showing it if this is incorrect.....but, of course, it's not.
But why on earth would one of the largest IC manufacturers, Micron, use any one else's memory IC's in their memory chips? It just wouldn't make sense on so many fronts.....economic for one.
This is taken directly from Micron's Retail Customer FAQ:
http://www.micron.com/support/designsupport/faq/retail
Hope this settles who Crucial is and why Micron IC's would only be used in Crucial memory products.
Capt Caveman
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Too funny. Willie is correct. Crucial = Micron. Of course, all of their memory products use Micron chips. The Manager was playing with the OP. Like someone calling Samsung and asking what kind of LCD panel does this Samsung LCD TV use.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Too funny. Willie is correct. Crucial = Micron. Of course, all of their memory products use Micron chips. The Manager was playing with the OP. Like someone calling Samsung and asking what kind of LCD panel does this Samsung LCD TV use.</end quote></div>
I actually managed to get a stick of Crucial memory with Samsung chips once. I believe this was back when DDR was brand new, so maybe Micron wasn't making the chips yet? It was either that, or I got some SDRAM after DDR became popular. Either way, I was pretty surprised.
Too funny. Willie is correct. Crucial = Micron. Of course, all of their memory products use Micron chips. The Manager was playing with the OP. Like someone calling Samsung and asking what kind of LCD panel does this Samsung LCD TV use.</end quote></div>
I actually managed to get a stick of Crucial memory with Samsung chips once. I believe this was back when DDR was brand new, so maybe Micron wasn't making the chips yet? It was either that, or I got some SDRAM after DDR became popular. Either way, I was pretty surprised.
Why would you possibly think that? They test their memory to make sure they are up to spec, they have no obligation to use a certain chip from a particular vendor, even within a single run of chips some are going to perform better than others, so the point is really moot.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: DasFox
Yes I understand all of this, but three different people in the company also told me it wasn't within their policy to tell the public what chip they used either, which I thought was a bit odd.</end quote></div>
Because it is subject to change with price fluctuations. If they tell you today they have the chips you are looking for, then a week later they switch to another chip, and you order after that, you are going to be pretty upset when you don't receive the chip you wanted.
Yes I understand all of this, but three different people in the company also told me it wasn't within their policy to tell the public what chip they used either, which I thought was a bit odd.</end quote></div>
Because it is subject to change with price fluctuations. If they tell you today they have the chips you are looking for, then a week later they switch to another chip, and you order after that, you are going to be pretty upset when you don't receive the chip you wanted.
Well, they may be obligated to use Micron memory whenever possible, since Crucial is owned by Micron...
No need to triple post.
All Ballistix modules are Micron D9. That's a fact. I can't tell you why the manager didn't tell you, but this is the truth.
All Ballistix modules are Micron D9. That's a fact. I can't tell you why the manager didn't tell you, but this is the truth.
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Crucial just sent me a letter, this is what they had to say:
I want to thank you for taking the time to comment on our products. After speaking with our Marketing department, I wanted to give you an update. Currently our Ballistix parts are shipping with the D9 components. Please keep in mind there are still several revisions of the D9 part. We do not use this to market the product because of the shift to a new revision or different Micron part at any time. We do guarantee that all the Ballistix will have a Micron chip, but do not guarantee a D9 component. We also stand behind the speeds and latency of all of our Ballistix parts.
Aloha
I want to thank you for taking the time to comment on our products. After speaking with our Marketing department, I wanted to give you an update. Currently our Ballistix parts are shipping with the D9 components. Please keep in mind there are still several revisions of the D9 part. We do not use this to market the product because of the shift to a new revision or different Micron part at any time. We do guarantee that all the Ballistix will have a Micron chip, but do not guarantee a D9 component. We also stand behind the speeds and latency of all of our Ballistix parts.
Aloha
I know from experience. Only enthusiasts buy Ballistix memory, and everyone who has bought any says they got D9 chips. Also, since Crucial is Micron's own retail outlet, it would only make sense for them to use their own chips in Crucial's high-end memory. And what's the best DDR2 chips out there right now? D9GMH or D9GKX. Surprise, they're both manufactured by Micron.
As for your question of why Crucial themselves don't have this information... Like others have said already, I think they're just messing with you. There's simply NO WAY they don't have this information. Their low-end memory might use other generic chips, but their Ballistix line uses D9 exclusively.
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Well, one, why would anyone mess with someone? That's foolish, I was calling as a businessman, not a 15 year old jacking my jaws for information, but wanted to know for business purposes, so I find it highly doubtful that they would of been jerking me around.
Now by that email, they said they are currently shipping with D9. Yes Crucial is a part of Micron, but from what I'm gathering from them, that doesn't mean the Ballistix line uses D9 exclusively.
Now by that email, they said they are currently shipping with D9. Yes Crucial is a part of Micron, but from what I'm gathering from them, that doesn't mean the Ballistix line uses D9 exclusively.
Ballistix are high-end modules, especially the ones beyond DDR2-800. All high-end modules use some variant of D9. Find me one DDR2-1000 module (from any brand, not just Crucial) that doesn't use D9 and I'll take back everything I've said.
The fact is, other chips simply don't clock that high. High-end modules have to use D9.
The fact is, other chips simply don't clock that high. High-end modules have to use D9.
i'll say it again. $60 for 2 gigs of Crucial Ballistix. How can you go wrong?
I do apprecicate DasFox for digging deeper tho. As a guy that just bought these and they in a truck somewhere being shipped to me at this moment I was worried that I got suckered by the crucial marketing machine.
The guy on the phone you talked to was probably a minimum wage guy just answering calls. He was just covering he butt.
I do apprecicate DasFox for digging deeper tho. As a guy that just bought these and they in a truck somewhere being shipped to me at this moment I was worried that I got suckered by the crucial marketing machine.
The guy on the phone you talked to was probably a minimum wage guy just answering calls. He was just covering he butt.
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Hey it's REAL simple. If they used D9 all the time, and guaranteed it, then where's it listed at on the website? Call Crucial yourself, and ask them if you don't believe me. I said I spoke to THREE people, then I got an email from a fourth person.
ALOHA
ALOHA
What chips they use isn't a specification, that's why they're not going to list it on their site. Right now they all use D9GMH and D9GKX. However, that's RIGHT NOW. A while ago, there was D9GCT. 3 months from now, Micron might start manufacturing some new D9??? chips that will be standard among Crucial's Ballistix line. What I'm saying is that all high-end memory will use high-end chips, and it just happens that D9 is high-end right now. The chip models themselves are irrelevant.
I don't doubt what you're saying about the phone calls. It baffles me how they don't actually know the chips they're using. Why? I have absolutely no idea. I'm not going to call them and ask because frankly, I don't care about what they know.
I don't doubt what you're saying about the phone calls. It baffles me how they don't actually know the chips they're using. Why? I have absolutely no idea. I'm not going to call them and ask because frankly, I don't care about what they know.
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Well they should know what they have, this tells me this is a company that hires people and just gives them a paycheck with no quality of work. Why as a business would I want to invest in this product for my business, if the company exercises no intelligence on their part.
No matter how great the name Crucial is, so far in my book they seem to show a great deal of incompetence.
Aloha
No matter how great the name Crucial is, so far in my book they seem to show a great deal of incompetence.
Aloha
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