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Crucifixion -- it's not just for the dark ages

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Shouldn't be a surprise that they would crucify someone. They still execute people for witchcraft there...in the year 2015. You know, that thing that last was done in the 1690's here in the US. They're barbarians.
 
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Growing up being indoctrinated with religious teaching as I went to Catholic school until grade 6 you became familiar with things like crucifixion and stoning, but I'd have never imagined these things actually still existed. I don't know what we can do to stop this barbarity and as been mentioned we our not without our own practices that put us squarely among the religious nations that use these tools.

Kind of hard to square this with our role as a world leader in promoting tolerance. Sad to think that 70 years after first demonstrating the atomic bomb we've made so little progress in this regard. When you combine the vast capacity for harm that modern technology, like the A-bomb, can do it's disheartening that we still maintain the cruel streak that could end out existence.


Brian
 
GagHalfrunt said:
And we're #5 on the death penalty list

China
Iran
Saudi Arabia
Iraq
USA! USA! USA!
Sudan
Yemen
Egypt
Somalia
Jordan


We're in good company.
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And we are number one, by FAR, at incarcerating people. We have more people in jail, both per capita and total, then any other nation in the world. Like 5 times more than other first world countries.
 
Darwin333 said:
And we are number one, by FAR, at incarcerating people. We have more people in jail, both per capita and total, then any other nation in the world. Like 5 times more than other first world countries.
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There's money to be made (for the right people)!
 
senseamp said:
Why are we supporting Saudis against the Houthis?
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They're sitting on the largest reserves of oil in the world and if we've learned anything in the last 40 years or so oil is king.

Beyond the money and the connections that flow from that you have a critical world commodity that could, if the Saudi oil was in the wrong hands, result in major world economic problems. Or at least that's the calculus...


Brian
 
Brian Stirling said:
They're sitting on the largest reserves of oil in the world and if we've learned anything in the last 40 years or so oil is king.

Beyond the money and the connections that flow from that you have a critical world commodity that could, if the Saudi oil was in the wrong hands, result in major world economic problems. Or at least that's the calculus...


Brian
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It is in the wrong hands.
 
Saw thread title and thought it was about Isis.

Now I'm in here, I'm struggling to find the difference...
 
IronWing said:
It is in the wrong hands.
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No argument from me, but the view from DC and many other places is that it's better to deal with the devil you know than one you don't. The last decade or so has show us that when one evil regime is deposed the thing that replaces it isn't necessarily any better. Indeed, the odds are things will be worse.

Look, that region of the world has never known actual peace in at least 4000 years and out of that volatility came three of the worlds great religions. The birth and existence of these religions in a place of this violence and volatility is not a coincidence.

In the meantime, or is it mean time, our leaders have decided that it's better to placate the Saudi line than push for a change. We've made our bed and will endeavor to sleep in it -- with one eye open.


Brian
 
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Brian Stirling said:
Look, that region of the world has never known actual peace in at least 4000 years and out of that volatility came three of the worlds great religions. The birth and existence of these religions in a place of this violence and volatility is not a coincidence.
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From Family Guy:

All right, what better place to find God than the birthplace of all of Western civilization's great religions! ...and one really mean one.
I had a feeling this is what this place would be like.
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Blue_Max said:
From Family Guy:

All right, what better place to find God than the birthplace of all of Western civilization's great religions! ...and one really mean one.
I had a feeling this is what this place would be like.
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Is that Mohammad in front of a green screen? ()🙂


Brian
 
GagHalfrunt said:
And we're #5 on the death penalty list

China
Iran
Saudi Arabia
Iraq
USA! USA! USA!
Sudan
Yemen
Egypt
Somalia
Jordan


We're in good company.
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Cause crucifixion blends in with lethal injection perfectly, no contrast to be found. I'm not condoning either but the "dark ages" bit refers to the method not the action.
 
Historical FYI: Crucifixion dates to Antiquity (ancient Greeks and Romans) not "Dark Ages" which came after the fall.


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DrPizza said:
You would have had to read more than the first couple sentences of the article. I know that's a pretty tough expectation though.

We are members of the U.N., right? What's the point of having a U.N. if no one follows through with what they say they'll do?
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Hey, we tortured detainees, which I'm sure was in violation of some U.N charter plus other international norms. But GW Bush and Dick Cheney continue to insist there was no torture; just intimate conversations between CIA operatives and men getting nasal irrigations.

Countries do whatever the hell they want, and leaders are almost never held accountable.
 
feralkid said:
"I'm Brian and so is my wife"
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I was in the USAF when "Life of Brian" came out and I got a ton of ribbing because of my name.

Probably hard for the younger ones here to appreciate how much my generation were into Monty Python -- many of my friends could quote word-for-word, entire sketches.


Brian
 
TheSlamma said:
Cause crucifixion blends in with lethal injection perfectly, no contrast to be found. I'm not condoning either but the "dark ages" bit refers to the method not the action.
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If you'd bothered to read they're not actually crucifying the prisoner. They're giving him a quick and humane beheading and then displaying the body crucifixion style. Big difference, death from a single quick sword blow is not any more barbaric than death by lethal injection.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
If you'd bothered to read they're not actually crucifying the prisoner. They're giving him a quick and humane beheading and then displaying the body crucifixion style. Big difference, death from a single quick sword blow is not any more barbaric than death by lethal injection.
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Yeah, having your head chopped off, ISIS style, is no more barbaric than the way we enforce the death penalty in the USA using lethal injection.

Just to be clear, are you saying the ISIS method is acceptable or are you saying lethal injection is barbaric?


Brian
 
Brian Stirling said:
Yeah, having your head chopped off, ISIS style, is no more barbaric than the way we enforce the death penalty in the USA using lethal injection.

Just to be clear, are you saying the ISIS method is acceptable or are you saying lethal injection is barbaric?


Brian
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I'm saying that they don't use the ISIS style of sawing off a head. It's more akin to a guillotine, done properly it's a single sword blow and an instant death. Which is no more barbaric than lethal injection and let's bear in mind that lethal injection is not the only method of execution in the USA. While it's the primary method in all jurisdictions and the sole method in some, we still have states that can and do use gas chambers and electric chairs. So let's not blame the middle east for being in the dark ages, we're pretty damn close them in many regards.
 
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