I've never encountered a motherboard designed for PC100 CAS2 that wouldn't accept PC133 CAS2. Won't run faster, but at least your RAM is good on your next motherboard purchase.
The 440BX boards all are spec'd for PC100, as Intel never intended PC133... but that doesn't mean PC133 (or PC150) won't work.... just not "certified" or "supported".
Now, you can always have problems MIXING speeds... but even that isn't very common... but I've seen it. The timing differences can sometimes cause operating system fits.
Get the faster RAM, your motherboard is getting old anyway...
The 440BX boards all are spec'd for PC100, as Intel never intended PC133... but that doesn't mean PC133 (or PC150) won't work.... just not "certified" or "supported".
Now, you can always have problems MIXING speeds... but even that isn't very common... but I've seen it. The timing differences can sometimes cause operating system fits.
Get the faster RAM, your motherboard is getting old anyway...
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Rossman: do you not have your forum settings to allow PAGES? So what if a thread is 180... agreed that beyond 500 posts it becomes a problem... but 200 post threads... just jump to the last page. Am I missing something obvious?
Yes my forum settings display pages and I could display the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, first, next, previous and last pages. However the issue is that if a thread has close to 200 posts it takes a long time to loan even on a broadband connection.
Also in my first post I noted that this is a continuation of the first thread. Anyhow, I'm just trying to help people out that's all. Besides I don't see anyone else complaining?
I apologize if my actions have offended you or go against your beliefs.
Yes my forum settings display pages and I could display the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, first, next, previous and last pages. However the issue is that if a thread has close to 200 posts it takes a long time to loan even on a broadband connection.
Also in my first post I noted that this is a continuation of the first thread. Anyhow, I'm just trying to help people out that's all. Besides I don't see anyone else complaining?
I apologize if my actions have offended you or go against your beliefs.
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Donuts, you won't, lowest is $90.94, the rest will be in the form of a rebate check sent by Ebates...
Don't know why you guys are bashing, at least he didn't start a new thread with no information. Ross basically paraphrased (damn can't think of a better word) everything from the previous thread into his first post here. And even then, people are still asking questions that are covered in the first post in this thread... for people that didn't take advantage of the deal yet, it'd be a bitch to go through all 180 posts putting the information together.
Don't know why you guys are bashing, at least he didn't start a new thread with no information. Ross basically paraphrased (damn can't think of a better word) everything from the previous thread into his first post here. And even then, people are still asking questions that are covered in the first post in this thread... for people that didn't take advantage of the deal yet, it'd be a bitch to go through all 180 posts putting the information together.
RossMAN (or anyone who has went this route)
Everything went the way you had it set up (thanks alot!) The only problem nows is that I am at the point (as I speak) of submitting my order, but I still see no sign of an e-bates rebate. Am I doing something wrong.
Everything went the way you had it set up (thanks alot!) The only problem nows is that I am at the point (as I speak) of submitting my order, but I still see no sign of an e-bates rebate. Am I doing something wrong.
Midnight Rambler -
You wrote:
<< That's interesting, because in a financial conference call with Micron, they reported that DRAM demand was very high right now. Of course, their words don't agree with their actions (ie. another price drop), but it just shows nobody really knows the exact state of the industry right now. >>
and also:
<< ...their situation is somewhat different now, as I noted before, sales right now are fairly strong (per their conference with analysts). Just look at their stock price if you need proof - up over $5 per share yesterday ... >>
Micron's own price-slashing actions do, indeed, belie the notion that "DRAM demand was [is] very high" and apparently Micron's words are not seducing analysts, ALL of whom forecast reduced revenues and earnings for Micron. The "demand" Micron speaks about is what's been created by its own price-slashing policies at a cost to its bottom line...and just who's buying SDRAM is a next question: PC makers (already 'stocked up' but some of whom might be attracted to stock more at these price levels) or John Q. Public (like the Anandtechies)?
But regardless who's buying, if sales are "currently strong" it would be based only on "megabits sold" rather than "dollars earned." Micron is still clearing out manufactured inventory that had gone unsold because PC sales were down at the end of 2000 and PC Makers had been stocked with SDRAM since September (Kocher said back on 12/20/00 that it would take "at least a quarter" to correct its inventory situation). The stock price is rising not because Micron's "sales right now are fairly strong," but rather because 1) the price of a share of stock had already plummeted almost 75% (!) from mid-2000 highs of $97.50 (see Chart) and 2) multiple brokerage firms have just recently begun recommending purchase of the stock, this despite their common reduced revenue and earnings forecasts. The current rising price of the stock reflects a "value opportunity" after the severe crash in stock-price and in a context that Micron can be expected possibly to gain some new market share with its early and aggressive price-cutting measures. Just as sharply-lower-priced SDRAM creates "new demand," so, too, does a sharply-reduced price of a share of stock. Nothing much has changed business-climate-wise from two months ago beyond some degree of reduction of both Micron's and PC Makers' SDRAM inventories, which degree no one knows for sure (see below ^^^ for perspective), but which reduction analysts seem to believe that Micron, an industry leader, can accomplish at least as well or at lower cost than its competitors in the same situation.
Here are three recent analysts' recommendations to "HOLD," "BUY," "Strong Buy" Micron Technology stock, despite their mutually agreed reduced revenue and earnings estimates for 2001:
02/13 USB Warburg: "HOLD" ("...slashed its revenue and earnings estimates through 2002 for Micron Technology, citing further declines in DRAM pricing, the company's shrinking capital plan and ongoing softness in PC-related markets..."There is long-term value in the stock, as we believe that Micron is a cost and technology leader."
02/06 Merrill Lynch: "BUY" ("...Merrill Lynch took a sizable chunk off its earnings and revenue estimates for Micron Technology (MU:NYSE - news) today, citing the company's backed-up inventory...Micron, a maker of memory chips, has "nearly a quarter's worth of inventory that it needs to take off its balance sheet." Osha also said the company "appears to be offering 128 megabit memories for $4.50 to $4.80," which he said represents "an abrupt decline" from the "mid-$5.00 levels" present in the market.
01/19 Prudential Securities: "STRONG BUY from ACCUMULATE" )"...raised its rating for Micron Technology...saying that low cost structures would increase the company's market share"
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^^^
Robbie Stephens Conference: Micron Says Some PC Makers Working Through Memory Glut
By Tish Williams, Senior Writer, 2/12/01 6:27 PM ET
<< SAN FRANCISCO -- Micron Technology (MU:NYSE - news) is offering Evian to the drowning.
Presenting at the Robertson Stephens Tech 2001 Conference Monday, manager of investor relations David Parker held out an incentive for PC manufacturers swimming in Micron's memory chips. It seems that with six to 10 weeks of memory inventory on hand at PC makers, DRAM to be specific, prices are rock bottom.
PC players are going to love this, if they can clear out their windpipes.
A well-hydrated Parker explained that the price for memory has fallen about 40% as PC makers sandbag their leaking empires -- the same 64 megabytes of memory that cost $5 now can be had for $3. Some direct-sales model PC players have already managed to wade through excess memory up and begin to reap the benefits of consuming the new, low-cost memory. Now Micron is just rooting for the rest of the gurgling field to right themselves and do the same. "Inventory builds have most likely leveled off," he said. "We have heard from our major competitors that inventory levels are less."
Which means it's time to break out the refreshments and celebrate. Micron expects PC shipments will grow 10% to 12% this year, compared with estimates of 12% to 15% increases. And he'd like to put a cold, refreshing glass of nature's goodness to each bluish pair of PC lips out there
... >>
You wrote:
<< That's interesting, because in a financial conference call with Micron, they reported that DRAM demand was very high right now. Of course, their words don't agree with their actions (ie. another price drop), but it just shows nobody really knows the exact state of the industry right now. >>
and also:
<< ...their situation is somewhat different now, as I noted before, sales right now are fairly strong (per their conference with analysts). Just look at their stock price if you need proof - up over $5 per share yesterday ... >>
Micron's own price-slashing actions do, indeed, belie the notion that "DRAM demand was [is] very high" and apparently Micron's words are not seducing analysts, ALL of whom forecast reduced revenues and earnings for Micron. The "demand" Micron speaks about is what's been created by its own price-slashing policies at a cost to its bottom line...and just who's buying SDRAM is a next question: PC makers (already 'stocked up' but some of whom might be attracted to stock more at these price levels) or John Q. Public (like the Anandtechies)?
But regardless who's buying, if sales are "currently strong" it would be based only on "megabits sold" rather than "dollars earned." Micron is still clearing out manufactured inventory that had gone unsold because PC sales were down at the end of 2000 and PC Makers had been stocked with SDRAM since September (Kocher said back on 12/20/00 that it would take "at least a quarter" to correct its inventory situation). The stock price is rising not because Micron's "sales right now are fairly strong," but rather because 1) the price of a share of stock had already plummeted almost 75% (!) from mid-2000 highs of $97.50 (see Chart) and 2) multiple brokerage firms have just recently begun recommending purchase of the stock, this despite their common reduced revenue and earnings forecasts. The current rising price of the stock reflects a "value opportunity" after the severe crash in stock-price and in a context that Micron can be expected possibly to gain some new market share with its early and aggressive price-cutting measures. Just as sharply-lower-priced SDRAM creates "new demand," so, too, does a sharply-reduced price of a share of stock. Nothing much has changed business-climate-wise from two months ago beyond some degree of reduction of both Micron's and PC Makers' SDRAM inventories, which degree no one knows for sure (see below ^^^ for perspective), but which reduction analysts seem to believe that Micron, an industry leader, can accomplish at least as well or at lower cost than its competitors in the same situation.
Here are three recent analysts' recommendations to "HOLD," "BUY," "Strong Buy" Micron Technology stock, despite their mutually agreed reduced revenue and earnings estimates for 2001:
02/13 USB Warburg: "HOLD" ("...slashed its revenue and earnings estimates through 2002 for Micron Technology, citing further declines in DRAM pricing, the company's shrinking capital plan and ongoing softness in PC-related markets..."There is long-term value in the stock, as we believe that Micron is a cost and technology leader."
02/06 Merrill Lynch: "BUY" ("...Merrill Lynch took a sizable chunk off its earnings and revenue estimates for Micron Technology (MU:NYSE - news) today, citing the company's backed-up inventory...Micron, a maker of memory chips, has "nearly a quarter's worth of inventory that it needs to take off its balance sheet." Osha also said the company "appears to be offering 128 megabit memories for $4.50 to $4.80," which he said represents "an abrupt decline" from the "mid-$5.00 levels" present in the market.
01/19 Prudential Securities: "STRONG BUY from ACCUMULATE" )"...raised its rating for Micron Technology...saying that low cost structures would increase the company's market share"
=======================
^^^
Robbie Stephens Conference: Micron Says Some PC Makers Working Through Memory Glut
By Tish Williams, Senior Writer, 2/12/01 6:27 PM ET
<< SAN FRANCISCO -- Micron Technology (MU:NYSE - news) is offering Evian to the drowning.
Presenting at the Robertson Stephens Tech 2001 Conference Monday, manager of investor relations David Parker held out an incentive for PC manufacturers swimming in Micron's memory chips. It seems that with six to 10 weeks of memory inventory on hand at PC makers, DRAM to be specific, prices are rock bottom.
PC players are going to love this, if they can clear out their windpipes.
A well-hydrated Parker explained that the price for memory has fallen about 40% as PC makers sandbag their leaking empires -- the same 64 megabytes of memory that cost $5 now can be had for $3. Some direct-sales model PC players have already managed to wade through excess memory up and begin to reap the benefits of consuming the new, low-cost memory. Now Micron is just rooting for the rest of the gurgling field to right themselves and do the same. "Inventory builds have most likely leveled off," he said. "We have heard from our major competitors that inventory levels are less."
Which means it's time to break out the refreshments and celebrate. Micron expects PC shipments will grow 10% to 12% this year, compared with estimates of 12% to 15% increases. And he'd like to put a cold, refreshing glass of nature's goodness to each bluish pair of PC lips out there
... >>
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SeaHarp - You're welcome, nice nickname by the way. Your eBates account should be credited with your rebate within 3 days but as milky pointed out there's a possibility that you cannot combine the crucial.com/webpromo/ and eBates together which I find hard to believe. I've always successfully used eBates with click through coupons from Buy.com, CDNow.com, OfficeMax.com and more. I placed my order on Tuesday 2/13 and will report back here on Saturday or next Monday if I received my eBates rebate or not. If not it's no big whoop, at least RAM prices are rock bottom low, we got 15% off WebPromo and free shipping. Guess you could call me greedy!
Wow! Who can resist? I thought I got a great deal when I bought Crucial 128MB CAS2 RAM after the priced dropped in early December for a few dollars more!!
I bought two sticks. That oughta hold me for a while. Thanks for the post, RossMAN!
I bought two sticks. That oughta hold me for a while. Thanks for the post, RossMAN!
I posted about the performance difference on the original thread somewhere. A year ago when I first put my system together I tested RAM at 2-2-2 and 3-3-3 to see what I was losing by having to go to 3-3-3 with two DIMMs at higher FSB speeds. Turned out I wasn't losing much at all. In most benchmarks the difference was 2-3%. Worth something, but nowhere near 10-20%.
Anyone have benchmarks to the contrary?
Anyone have benchmarks to the contrary?
RAM arrived today, just intalled it. Whoo Whoo. 1GB, 4*256MB = two sticks of the cheap UpgradePlanet + two sticks of the Micron.
I have an Asus P3V4X motherboard that has 4 DIMM sockets.... I had heard that people sometimes have trouble with the 4th socket and double-sided DIMM's, but my system is running Windows 2000 Server fine at 133Mhz FSB speed.
Great deal, thanks Anandtech members!
I have an Asus P3V4X motherboard that has 4 DIMM sockets.... I had heard that people sometimes have trouble with the 4th socket and double-sided DIMM's, but my system is running Windows 2000 Server fine at 133Mhz FSB speed.
Great deal, thanks Anandtech members!
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I have an Asus P3V4X motherboard that has 4 DIMM sockets
I envy you because my Dell Dimension 4100 with Intel 815 mobo only has TWO DIMM SLOTS so I have to FleaBay the original 128MB and the other 128MB I bought from Crucial.com back in October 2000 for $145 (hehe). But it sure will be nice having 512MB RAM which is more than enough for my needs, when I install Windows 2000 Pro it'll like it even more.
I bought CAS2 and have no intentions of overclocking, I hope that it's just as stable as CAS3 is?
I envy you because my Dell Dimension 4100 with Intel 815 mobo only has TWO DIMM SLOTS so I have to FleaBay the original 128MB and the other 128MB I bought from Crucial.com back in October 2000 for $145 (hehe). But it sure will be nice having 512MB RAM which is more than enough for my needs, when I install Windows 2000 Pro it'll like it even more.
I bought CAS2 and have no intentions of overclocking, I hope that it's just as stable as CAS3 is?
hgabriel: i dont' know how right you are either... here's what was previously found (by.. i forget) from the faq on crucial.com and displayed on the earlier thread
"Description:
What is the performance difference between CL2 and CL3?
Solution:
CL2 parts process data a little quicker than CL3 parts in that you have to wait one less clock cycle for the initial data. However, after the first piece of data is processed, the rest of the data is processed at equal speeds. Latency only affects the initial burst of data. Once data starts flowing, there is no effect. Bear in mind, a clock cycle for a PC100 module is 10 nanoseconds so you probably won't notice a significant performance difference. Most systems will accept either latency part. However, there are some systems that require either CL2 or CL3 parts. These requirements are built into our Memory Selector?. "
i don't know if you'll have anything to say on this, but i'd like to hear it... it's not really a big deal anyway, ram being as cheap as it is, everyone should be getting cas2 ram.. as for percentage, i'm pretty sure it can't be 10% - 20%.. that's a huge difference... i say no more than 5% but that's a pure random guess
"Description:
What is the performance difference between CL2 and CL3?
Solution:
CL2 parts process data a little quicker than CL3 parts in that you have to wait one less clock cycle for the initial data. However, after the first piece of data is processed, the rest of the data is processed at equal speeds. Latency only affects the initial burst of data. Once data starts flowing, there is no effect. Bear in mind, a clock cycle for a PC100 module is 10 nanoseconds so you probably won't notice a significant performance difference. Most systems will accept either latency part. However, there are some systems that require either CL2 or CL3 parts. These requirements are built into our Memory Selector?. "
i don't know if you'll have anything to say on this, but i'd like to hear it... it's not really a big deal anyway, ram being as cheap as it is, everyone should be getting cas2 ram.. as for percentage, i'm pretty sure it can't be 10% - 20%.. that's a huge difference... i say no more than 5% but that's a pure random guess
well, after being ambivalent about my staples ram for $85, I'm returning it and getting the 128 MB free after MIR at Compusa (another deal starting Sun).
This should help shed some light on the performance difference betwen CAS 2 and CAS 3.
TweakMax CAS 2 vs CAS 3 Comparision
The biggest difference I have found between cas 2 and cas 3 is that cas 2 memory will run Up to 150 MHz and cas 3 usually won?t
to Rossman, dcdomain & others....no, the ebates.com + crucial 15% off webpromo page DOES NOT WORK!
This is because ebates.com is ONLY authorized the get credit for sales that go through the standard 10% off page www.crucial.com . When you purchase from the webpromo page it doesn't track the ebates affiliate cookie and ebates doesn't get credit!!!
This is because ebates.com is ONLY authorized the get credit for sales that go through the standard 10% off page www.crucial.com . When you purchase from the webpromo page it doesn't track the ebates affiliate cookie and ebates doesn't get credit!!!
what is ebates? sounds perverted...
actually, that was a joke. do you guys find that it ebates is good? i would rather not have some company tracking every purchase i make online, but 5% is 5% i am not getting right now.
actually, that was a joke. do you guys find that it ebates is good? i would rather not have some company tracking every purchase i make online, but 5% is 5% i am not getting right now.
Ok, I bought some MOSEL ram from memman
awhile back, it is running at pc133 cas2 just fine. Now, if I get this crucial mem and stick it in there, will I have ANY conflicts?
I have a cusl2-c, and I'm already using two slots, so I will have all three slots filled, on a chipset that's only supposed to have two slots. Will that cause any conflicts as well? In anands review it said it doesn't but I'm weary.
awhile back, it is running at pc133 cas2 just fine. Now, if I get this crucial mem and stick it in there, will I have ANY conflicts?
I have a cusl2-c, and I'm already using two slots, so I will have all three slots filled, on a chipset that's only supposed to have two slots. Will that cause any conflicts as well? In anands review it said it doesn't but I'm weary.
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Abaez:
I have 128 mb of Mosel from Memman running with a 256 Mb from crucial (CAS 2) on an Abit KT7 Raid board with 950 Athlon. No problems at all!
Sandra scores are: CPU/ Memory bandwidth 480 MB/s
FPU/ Memory bandwidth 578 MB/s
I have 128 mb of Mosel from Memman running with a 256 Mb from crucial (CAS 2) on an Abit KT7 Raid board with 950 Athlon. No problems at all!
Sandra scores are: CPU/ Memory bandwidth 480 MB/s
FPU/ Memory bandwidth 578 MB/s
Does anybody know if the particualr ram is athlon compatible? I don't see info on it, would some one direct me to where I could find this out?
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