RallyMaster
Diamond Member
lmao. so true. CRTs are the way of the past dude...even if you do get better color from it. 😛
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Suspicious-Teach8788
Lifer
You get better color because of CONTRAST ratios.
However if you are one of those cheap@$$es and buy Dell monitors you will never see good color reproduction. Pick up at least 800:1 or 1000:1 ratios and you can see the colors rock. Calibrate, and you're pretty set.
Once you go to LCD, you can't come back.
CRTs hurt my eyes. That said I had a leet 17" CRT. I shelled out a whole $300 for it too and it's a flat glass that does 100Hz @ 1024 (up to 120hz) and 85hz @ 1280x1024. Couldn't stand either resolution after going with my LCD for a few days.
If you think CRTs are better for games, it might be true, but LCDs aren't far behind. If you know what you're doing, ghosting won't be an issue.
37 eh? Well, as you get older you'll discover you become farsighted. My 52-year old eyes went from normal as a kid-adult to slightly nearsighted in my 30's then to farsighted in my 40's. One of my eyes is farsighted, the other is nearsighted.
LCD's are fine in my opinion, but I can't see the blasted things in their native resolutions, especially the larger screen sizes. So I still prefer a large CRT in a low resolution mode. I also have a small laptop which I use as an audio jukebox. I configured it using reading glasses, but for everyday use as a jukebox, I run it in a non-native resolution which is rather poor quality.
You might try hopping down to your local PC dealer and actually trying some regular activities on various LCD models before you buy. (Take your glasses if you own any.) Good luck!
bob4432
Lifer
when my crt died in december 05, i went with a lcd beause picture quality was very good for lcd, response time was good for gaming and the two most important factors for me - heat and power output. i touch the back of my lcd and it is barely any warmer than ambient room temp, but the crt (19" viewsonic) just pumped out the heat. i live in phx, az so anywhere i can get rid of a heat producing device i am there. just waiting for the rear projectin big screen to die, then probably a 37" lcd to replace that next...
JackBurton
Lifer
I didn't say anyone was. Just stating a fact.
Umm, I don't know of any LCD that has better picture quality than my CRT. The ONLY one that may be close is NEC's 20WMGX2, and Dell/Apple's 30" (but that just because of the crazy resolution). The ONLY LCD I would consider an upgrade from my monitor would be the Dell 30", and I'll I'd be upgrading to it by the end of this year. So please spare me the, "up with the times" crap. I don't have an LCD just to have an LCD.
Imyourzero
Diamond Member
Whatever, take a joke man. I don't care how long you stick with that furnace/boat anchor, if you like the picture then more power to ya. In the room beside me is my old Sony G400 which at one time was a very popular highend Trinitron CRT, and although the colors might be slightly more vibrant my 2001FP shames it in just about every other way.
To each his own!
As of last week I finally got rid of my last CRT in the office. There's no going back. I think a 17" Samsung 740N for less than $200 is superior to my old 19" CRT that I brought to the office from home years ago. Space, heat, and power are another factor. There's just no going back.
I guess some people are more sensitive than others. At home I use a 2405fpw for games and love it.
I guess some people are more sensitive than others. At home I use a 2405fpw for games and love it.
SonicIce
Diamond Member
On a decent LCD it is pretty tough to notice motion blur in games. It's there, though, but it's not really obvious. Most of the LCD's i've seen were in schools and pretty low quality. The motion blur very obvious when moving around windows and scrolling in web pages made the text unreadable until you stopped scrolling. Those ones only have VGA input and they usually don't even run them at thier native resolution! You just gotta read reviews and find out which LCD's are good.
The only problem with CRT's these days is that it's impossible to find a good one anymore. The only CRT's I would even look at would be Trinitrons or Diamondtrons. There are some pretty horrible fishbowl shadow masks out there, but some are just as good as a Trinitron. Only the best LCD's can match the black level of most CRT's. Most noobs have the brightness way too high on either type so blacks appear as greys anyway so you have to tweak it yourself before you judge it. I like how games and movies look on my Diamondtron but, to tell you the truth, I've never got a chance to sit down and use even a half-decent LCD. LCD's are pretty expensive for a good one but you can't even FIND a new Trinitron anywhere anymore. I've heard the quality control on CRT's these days is so they all don't look good. You can try your luck with a used Trinny from Azatek.com or accutateit.com, you might get a like-new one and that would be a bargain considering thier original price.
The only problem with CRT's these days is that it's impossible to find a good one anymore. The only CRT's I would even look at would be Trinitrons or Diamondtrons. There are some pretty horrible fishbowl shadow masks out there, but some are just as good as a Trinitron. Only the best LCD's can match the black level of most CRT's. Most noobs have the brightness way too high on either type so blacks appear as greys anyway so you have to tweak it yourself before you judge it. I like how games and movies look on my Diamondtron but, to tell you the truth, I've never got a chance to sit down and use even a half-decent LCD. LCD's are pretty expensive for a good one but you can't even FIND a new Trinitron anywhere anymore. I've heard the quality control on CRT's these days is so they all don't look good. You can try your luck with a used Trinny from Azatek.com or accutateit.com, you might get a like-new one and that would be a bargain considering thier original price.
I still have my 22" Trinitron CRT - the "best" one made if anyone still knows about CRTs... so I still have the image quality advantage on ALL LCD's, and it really doesn't bother my eyes at all.
That being said, I think LCDs have made enough progress recently to warrant me getting a high end one. I'm still skeptical about the ghosting ish because I mostly game, but I think by the time this one dies it will have come that much further and it might not even be an issue anymore. I have gamed on them on other people computers and wasn't very impressed but they weren't the extreme high end either.
I would say go for the LCD, the time has come lol.... Mines still alive and very well so I won't be replacing it yet but when it does meet its fate, ill switch to LCD.
That being said, I think LCDs have made enough progress recently to warrant me getting a high end one. I'm still skeptical about the ghosting ish because I mostly game, but I think by the time this one dies it will have come that much further and it might not even be an issue anymore. I have gamed on them on other people computers and wasn't very impressed but they weren't the extreme high end either.
I would say go for the LCD, the time has come lol.... Mines still alive and very well so I won't be replacing it yet but when it does meet its fate, ill switch to LCD.
Imyourzero
Diamond Member
A voice of reason. I bet that's one big beautiful CRT you have there (really--not joking!). 🙂 I remember when I was much younger, going to the office with my Dad...someone there had a 21" Trinny and I was just in awe. That was back when I had like a 15" CRT for my POS Compaq, but I digress...
As you probably know, LCD panels are getting faster and faster. Viewsonic has the VX922 2ms panel which is supposed to do away with ghosting, but then you have the argument about faster panels having less color accuracy.
I just wish the manufacturers would cut through the bullcrap and come up with a consistent, reliable way of rating their LCD screens because I'm tired of hearing that Viewsonic's 8ms is actually 25ms and so on and so forth. It's confusing, and misleading to buyers.
I've been using CRT since I've began using computers, but for the past 3 weeks or so I was using an widescreen LCD and loved it. It's so much easier on the eyes and the most important thing of all is that the LCD makes images look better. I had to send my LCD back for a replacement and am using my old CRT. I think it's a decent CRT, but after staring at an LCD for a few weeks this old monitor just looks horrible.
What I'm saying is, get on the LCD bus!
What I'm saying is, get on the LCD bus!
Kyanzes
Golden Member
I would never buy a TFT, they have a sorry contrast ratio, none of them could convince me to make a pick. Spent a lot of time to find one, they are far worse than a quality CRT. *SED* is the way to go. Until they start to dominate the market, I can survive with my 21" P260. LCD's nice for office work, to browse the NET, or work on standstill stuff. For gaming and movies, they're far inferior in my opinion. Yeah, they consume less power (consequently produce less heat), and are a lot smaller. But hey, that's not what I care about, but the quality.
I have a NEC 2141sb which I believe is the same monitor. It is a great monitor and great for editing photos in photoshop when accuracy is important. That said mine is in the closet. I have a Dell 2405 which is much better for surfing the web and the colors are really nice. It is a little bright when editing photos even at a low setting but I really like it. It is true though that finding a really good CRT is hard. The problem is that an lcd like mine is better than most CRTs. The CRTs that are better are pricey and hard to find. I think my monitor even does games nicely when running at 1680x1050 instead of 1920x1200. Below that they probably would not look good.
rbV5
Lifer
A quality CRT is definately superior to the best LCD panel for gaming despite comments to the contrary in this thread.
They are heavier, take up more desktop, produce more heat, are harder and harder to find and use more electricity vs a similar sized LCD, note that NONE of these qualities relate at all to image quality whatsoever
You can make a case for LCD's and perfect geometry, which is difficult to obtain with large CRT's, however, for gaming and video playback they fall short and thats the simple truth...an LCD panel, even the best is a trade-off for video playback and gaming vs a quality CRT monitor.
The knucklehead that states
Obviously, all CRT's are not better than all LCD's, and the better LCD's offer a decent compromise and make sense for most users...but that certainly doesn't mean LCD's are the superior tech, the best LCD's fall short of the best CRT's where it counts...gaming and video playback.
They are heavier, take up more desktop, produce more heat, are harder and harder to find and use more electricity vs a similar sized LCD, note that NONE of these qualities relate at all to image quality whatsoever
You can make a case for LCD's and perfect geometry, which is difficult to obtain with large CRT's, however, for gaming and video playback they fall short and thats the simple truth...an LCD panel, even the best is a trade-off for video playback and gaming vs a quality CRT monitor.
The knucklehead that states
is simply comparing a low resolution 480i CRT to a higher definition LCD...duh:roll: How about compare your 32"LCD to a 32" direct view high definition CRT display and your LCD now looks like crap by comparison. High End CRT projectors are superior to LCD/DLP, and High end CRT based RPTV are superior as well.
Obviously, all CRT's are not better than all LCD's, and the better LCD's offer a decent compromise and make sense for most users...but that certainly doesn't mean LCD's are the superior tech, the best LCD's fall short of the best CRT's where it counts...gaming and video playback.
JackBurton
Lifer
Imyourzero
Diamond Member
Uhm, I'm not going to argue that a 32" WEGA or similar could have a slightly better picture on 480i broadcasts than an LCD TV of equal size.
The reason regular cable TV looks worse on my LCD TV is due to a couple of reasons...one, our cable sucks so the additional resolution of the LCD TV makes snow and other artifacts more apparent than they were before. The other reason is that, on regular TV, bigger TVs look worse than smaller TVs as a general rule. My Dad's little 13" Sony TV has an awesomely sharp and colorful picture, but when that same signal is displayed on our 61" display, it dosn't look nearly as good just due to the massive size making all of the edges and flaws more apparent...even though the TV has an outstanding picture.
Knucklehead? C'mon, you can do better than that. 😉
My 35 year old eyes aren't too great, and I also have an eye disease called Karatoconus. I have found that LCDs are better for my eyes, but it helps to use a model with larger pixels. It turns out that all standard 19" LCDs use ~ 0.294 mm pixels, which are the largest you can generally get. This size is comfortable. The LCD in my sig has 0.255 mm pixels which I find too small for extended use. Its fine for gaming, when I scale the resolution, but for desktop work the text can look a little too small. I tend to use another 19" LCD I have around when I need to get a lot of work done.
The advantage of smaller pixel sizes is that the LCD will scale better when running at non-native resolutions. With my 19" LCD, I barely ever used a non-natice resolution, so it was never an issue.
So my suggestion would be to use a 19" LCD, or go with one of the larger pixeled 20" models, such as this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116008
and run it at its native 1400 x 1050 resolution.
Imyourzero
Diamond Member
Thanks for the info--I was totally unaware of the pros and cons of pixel sizes. Huh, learn something new every day.
0roo0roo
No Lifer
theres more to image quality than just color, you just can't beat the crisp low eyestrain text on a lcd and of course the perfect geometry. and well thats what our monitors are used for 99% of the time. most watch movies on a big screen these days, not their pc's so thats a bit irrelevant, and well i'd still choose a nice big wide screen lcd computer monitor to watch a film on compared to an old crt😛 and the post above me... did u try large fonts setting in advanced display properties? you dont' really need to look for a lcd with just big pixels. i think osx does this better since it can scale everything related to the desktop. and of course don't forget as crts age they fade, losing much of any advantage they had and becoming inferior actually.
I currently have 4 LCDs and 4 CRTs at my house. The LCDs are 3 BenQs and 1 Viewsonic. My CRTS are 2 SONYs, 1 NEC, and 1 Toshiba. Only one of my CRTs comes close to the visual output of the LCDs, and that's only after warming up for 20 minutes. The pin cushion is also annoying and I can't make use of the full screen. I have only one CRT left in operation, and can't give away the others.
A well tuned CRT can look very good, but I think you have to be lucky to get one these days. Most CRTs will be refurbished, so who knows what you'll get.
A well tuned CRT can look very good, but I think you have to be lucky to get one these days. Most CRTs will be refurbished, so who knows what you'll get.
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