This is where pilots earn their $$, lot's of TOGO's, had to be near max allowable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P9OAng32F0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P9OAng32F0
Crosswind difficulties.....
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John Connor
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I don't know if it's the camera or what, but the AOA is crazy for take off! 
Love to get in a 737NG sim and try my skills. That would be awesome! I hear the yoke is harder to move than you would think.
Love to get in a 737NG sim and try my skills. That would be awesome! I hear the yoke is harder to move than you would think.
I don't know if it's the camera or what, but the AOA is crazy for take off!
Love to get in a 737NG sim and try my skills. That would be awesome! I hear the yoke is harder to move than you would think.
No, it's not the camera, they were taking off into a VERY strong head-wind and some of the planes gained altitude at an abnormally high rate. I'm thinking a lot of soiled underwear on some of those landings!. The 2 777's seem to do the best but that might be due to their much bigger mass than a mid-sized plane like the 737.
Holy crap, I thought runways were supposed to be flat??? Most of those runways look (maybe its some camera effect?) to have more rolls and dips than a 600 pound woman getting laid.
skyking
Lifer
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bumpy runways like that are an extra pain in the ass. Just when you have it all together, either the runway falls away or it rises up to meet you. Bam!
The other crap condition is a steep hill with enough wind to warrant a downhill landing. Seems you can never catch up to the ground. Different problem when it a strong wind downhill. Every landing is carrier deck smooth. Wabaam!
The other crap condition is a steep hill with enough wind to warrant a downhill landing. Seems you can never catch up to the ground. Different problem when it a strong wind downhill. Every landing is carrier deck smooth. Wabaam!
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OK but if your taking off into a strong head-wind wouldn't the plane gain altitude at a faster than normal rate due to the increased amount of lift provided by the oncoming air flowing across the wing?. I'm obviously not a pilot, just curious.
EDIT: This is an example of what I was talking about, kinda sad in a way, like she wants to rotate one last time!, link
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skyking
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It appears to a ground observer that it is gaining altitude faster, but really it is just a steeper path over the ground due to the headwind reducing the aircraft's groundspeed.
Ns1
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Yea, tricky, but that airport is now closed. At Paro, Buthan the elevation is over 7,000ft and there is no room for a TOGO if you screw up the approach.
EDIT: OK, I found the WORST airport possible, it's Lukla airport near Mt Everest, here's a pic and a vid of planes operating out of it.
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bumpy runways like that are an extra pain in the ass. Just when you have it all together, either the runway falls away or it rises up to meet you. Bam!
The other crap condition is a steep hill with enough wind to warrant a downhill landing. Seems you can never catch up to the ground. Different problem when it a strong wind downhill. Every landing is carrier deck smooth. Wabaam!
I took one of those cheap as "be a pilot" courses and flew an itty bitty plane and got all the way up to landing it on a really flat and straight runway a while back. It was fun but expensive.
Those runways look way more like me taking my jetski out and running into come serious waves. You ride one wave up but you meet the next coming right back up to you on the way down and fucking ouch! Granted that's doing 60mph on the water but planes go a bit faster and concrete just seems harder to me lol. Don't know how ya pull it off.
crashtech
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Yea, tricky, but that airport is now closed. At Paro, Buthan the elevation is over 7,000ft and there is no room for a TOGO if you screw up the approach.
EDIT: OK, I found the WORST airport possible, it's Lukla airport near Mt Everest, here's a pic and a vid of planes operating out of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npEY7zTZ3C8
Seriously, do the pilots have a hard time waling with those heavy ass brass balls or are they just friggen psychopaths?
It's OK, if you don't make V2 before the end of the runway you surely will in the ensuing fall off the cliff at the end.
crashtech
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skyking
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My buddy flew the Yukon river delta for many years. Those runways are crazy.
They bring a barge of gravel up the river after the ice breaks up. They beach it and shove the gravel off the barge with a dozer. Repeat as necessary.
The runway is this plateau of gravel about 6' high and 35~40' wide. You can't pave it, due to permafrost heaves every year. You just re-grade it. It has a crown so it drains.
In the winter it is ice, and the strongest wind never blows down the runway. It is always a crosswind, greater than the demonstrated crosswind abilities of the aircraft. They manage to operate off it anyway.
Instead of using cross controls, lowering a wing, and holding runway heading, they simply fly in in a skid, and touch down sliding down the runway somewhat sideways!
They are sliding on the ice, and hooked over that crown in the runway. If they start to blow off the leeward side, add throttle.
They'd get to an end, and play hell getting turned around. Then they'd take off the same way, a combination of rolling and sliding. Remember, this runway is like a 6' high mini plateau. slipping off it would be disastrous.
They bring a barge of gravel up the river after the ice breaks up. They beach it and shove the gravel off the barge with a dozer. Repeat as necessary.
The runway is this plateau of gravel about 6' high and 35~40' wide. You can't pave it, due to permafrost heaves every year. You just re-grade it. It has a crown so it drains.
In the winter it is ice, and the strongest wind never blows down the runway. It is always a crosswind, greater than the demonstrated crosswind abilities of the aircraft. They manage to operate off it anyway.
Instead of using cross controls, lowering a wing, and holding runway heading, they simply fly in in a skid, and touch down sliding down the runway somewhat sideways!
They are sliding on the ice, and hooked over that crown in the runway. If they start to blow off the leeward side, add throttle.
They'd get to an end, and play hell getting turned around. Then they'd take off the same way, a combination of rolling and sliding. Remember, this runway is like a 6' high mini plateau. slipping off it would be disastrous.
John Connor
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Reminds me of Aspen. And there was an airport on the Alaskan islands I took off from that was hairy as well. Just a flight simmer.
gorobei
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over the hump, downhill, end of the runway is the beach/water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCT7IA9fHXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCT7IA9fHXM
Zorba
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- Oct 22, 1999
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Very similar to the Culebra Island airport right off the east of Puerto Rico. Except there, the mountain pass is 30 degrees different then the direction of the runway and you pop out of it right before the threshold.
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