Crossfire Reviews

[vision33r]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So why is this happening with ATI? Honest question.
Crossfire seems like it's not going to be preferred after all the reviews today.
A 16 pipe insanely clocked (R520 with SM3.0)
Incredibly late to market. (Process limitation?)

Unless anyone can say differently, this has to be the worst year for ATI in their entire history. WHY?

Are they incapable? Under staffed with mediocre engineers? I have no clue.
ATI fans are dissappointed everywhere. In every aspect of ATI. What gives? What is going on?

Read this article on MSNBC. ATI & Nvidia Business activities

"Merrill noted that hiring patterns at graphics chipmakers contrast as Nvidia job openings significantly lead ATI Technologies. "ATI needs to control costs and evidently has decided that it can't try to keep pace with Nvidia hiring for the intermediate term."

To me as an analyst, this is not good news for ATI in the long term in this market as they have taken a cost control strategy to get the product out on the market while Nvidia is aggressively pursuing the next crown jewel.

 

[rbV5]

rbV5-
How would you like to be a gamer with a CRT who buys this, spends big bucks thinking you're going to get a "high end, enthusiast" solution, and find out you're limited to 12X10?

I'd feel like a dumbass because the product limitations are clearly shown in several reviews. You wouldn't be limited to 12x10 either from what I read.

Have you tried looking at a CRT at 60Hz? It's not a pleasant thing!

I watch my CRT based RPTV all the time at 60HZ its an awesome thing. My CRT desktop, 60Hz is irritating. I have a basic understanding of display tech.

My wording is a little strong, but no one on this planet should really buy this. If you look at the Firing Squad benches, the 7800GTX equals it in performance pretty much across the board.

If you need dual card, 6800GT SLI is cheaper and has a better feature set and motherboard.

There's really NO reason anyone would want this.
.

Its your typical exaggeration, which isn't really nceccisary as the tech speaks for itself. I agree that there will be a limited user base, at least on a X800 platform. A limited user base on an already limited user base for any dual GPU tech, doesn't leave very many peers in that group...thats for certin.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So why is this happening with ATI? Honest question.
Crossfire seems like it's not going to be preferred after all the reviews today.
A 16 pipe insanely clocked (R520 with SM3.0)
Incredibly late to market. (Process limitation?)

Unless anyone can say differently, this has to be the worst year for ATI in their entire history. WHY?

Are they incapable? Under staffed with mediocre engineers? I have no clue.
ATI fans are dissappointed everywhere. In every aspect of ATI. What gives? What is going on?

That BS, I've purchased several ATI products this year that are excellent. My MSI motherboard has a great price/performance, my Sapphire Theatrix is awesome hardware encoder solution, and my X800 XL represents a damn good value. You guys and your overblown doomsday is funny how you focus on such a small part of the big picture. There are excellent ATI products in virtually every market they compete in excepting for a very few. Not bad IMO.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So why is this happening with ATI? Honest question.
Crossfire seems like it's not going to be preferred after all the reviews today.
A 16 pipe insanely clocked (R520 with SM3.0)
Incredibly late to market. (Process limitation?)

Unless anyone can say differently, this has to be the worst year for ATI in their entire history. WHY?

Are they incapable? Under staffed with mediocre engineers? I have no clue.
ATI fans are dissappointed everywhere. In every aspect of ATI. What gives? What is going on?

That BS, I've purchased several ATI products this year that are excellent. My MSI motherboard has a great price/performance, my Sapphire Theatrix is awesome hardware encoder solution, and my X800 XL represents a damn good value. You guys and your overblown doomsday is funny how you focus on such a small part of the big picture. There are excellent ATI products in virtually every market they compete in excepting for a very few. Not bad IMO.

Whats funny is that you misinterpreted my questions as factual statements, and not actual questions. You called BS on absolutely nothing. rbv5, either try to answer my legitimate questions, or respectfully shut it. YOU KNOW DAMN WELL I MEANT AFTER THE R420 series. I'm talking now, Since before June of this year. R520, Crossfire, 16pipe letdown that everybody "says" they are ok with. Don't play the dumbass.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So why is this happening with ATI? Honest question.
Crossfire seems like it's not going to be preferred after all the reviews today.
A 16 pipe insanely clocked (R520 with SM3.0)
Incredibly late to market. (Process limitation?)

Unless anyone can say differently, this has to be the worst year for ATI in their entire history. WHY?

Are they incapable? Under staffed with mediocre engineers? I have no clue.
ATI fans are dissappointed everywhere. In every aspect of ATI. What gives? What is going on?

That BS, I've purchased several ATI products this year that are excellent. My MSI motherboard has a great price/performance, my Sapphire Theatrix is awesome hardware encoder solution, and my X800 XL represents a damn good value. You guys and your overblown doomsday is funny how you focus on such a small part of the big picture. There are excellent ATI products in virtually every market they compete in excepting for a very few. Not bad IMO.

Whats funny is that you misinterpreted my questions as factual statements, and not actual questions. You called BS on absolutely nothing. rbv5, either try to answer my legitimate questions, or respectfully shut it. YOU KNOW DAMN WELL I MEANT AFTER THE R420 series. I'm talking now, Since before June of this year. R520, Crossfire, 16pipe letdown that everybody "says" they are ok with. Don't play the dumbass.

I'm not going to go round and round with you keys, but

ATI fans are dissappointed everywhere. In every aspect of ATI. What gives? What is going on?

Pretty much sums up your nonesense, and I disagree. I'm disappointed in "some" aspects, sure, but every aspect...BS. I'm a pretty happy camper with "most" aspects as is likely the case in "most" cases with most users.

 

[lifeguard1999]

I agree with rbV5. It is not fraud Rollo since the reviews are out there and mention this limitation. A gamer would have no one to blame but themselves if they buy xFire and get bit by this "feature". BTW: I have a 19" monitor and would be hit by it as well since it supports 16x12@75. Fortunately, I bought NVidia.

I really cannot see where xFire will gain a foothold in any appreciable way. You need, at a minimum, a new motherboard and a xFire master card. Unless you go through a complete upgrade like I did a couple of months ago, why bother?

 

[crazydingo]

Remember the fanboys predicted doom for Nvidia and what happened ? The jokes' on the rabid fanboys now and they sure havent learned anything.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: jdogg707
I guess the Dell 2001FP fans can rejoice, everyone else can just sit back and keep their wallets closed.

QFT

 

[lifeguard1999]

ATI fans are dissappointed everywhere. In every aspect of ATI. What gives? What is going on?

NVidia fans are disappointed as well. They want competition to drive down the prices for their cards & SLI.

As for me, I am not a ATI or NVidia fan (ATI 8500, ATI 9800, NV 6600, NV 3500). I buy based on price/performance.

 

[Killrose]

Crossfire is pretty dissapointing and shows it needs quite abit of refinement, but IMHO, 2 cards are not a good solution anyway's. I prefere a single card and the fanboy rantings that go along with it

 

[Munky]

I waited (still am) for the r520, I dont care much about dual x850's. Even if Crossfire worked flawlessly without it's apparent limitations, it would require me to switch mobo's, which I'm not about to do. If the x1800xt doesn't outperform the 7800gtx, and still has the same limitations in Crossfire, then the situation gets much worse...

 

[drifter106]

Food for thought, wha is this gonna due to prices of the 7800 cards? If ati falls on there face with this many people are gonna jump all over the 7000 series cards. Same ole chit...supply and demand...a $350 7800gt may be a thing of the past for a few months...

 

[Killrose]

Originally posted by: drifter106
Food for thought, wha is this gonna due to prices of the 7800 cards? If ati falls on there face with this many people are gonna jump all over the 7000 series cards. Same ole chit...supply and demand...a $350 7800gt may be a thing of the past for a few months...

How well R520 does or does not do and at what price point should really effect the price of a 7800.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: biostud
no fanboiyism here, but who the fvck are going to buy two videocards with a 1600x1200@60Hz limitation??????

maybe play fear, or heat a cold room?

 

[drifter106]

Originally posted by: Killrose

Originally posted by: drifter106
Food for thought, wha is this gonna due to prices of the 7800 cards? If ati falls on there face with this many people are gonna jump all over the 7000 series cards. Same ole chit...supply and demand...a $350 7800gt may be a thing of the past for a few months...

How well R520 does or does not do and at what price point should really effect the price of a 7800.

I see this as an indicator...I agree with your statement on r520 but as disappointing as this is, it leads one to speculate that their not going to be able to provide a product that has "a big bang" that will compete with nvida. Honestly, for the consumer, I hope they do. Will keep things competitive....

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
ATI fans are dissappointed everywhere. In every aspect of ATI. What gives?

I'm not disappointed in "every aspect" of ATI and I doubt everyone else is either. Nv has had fair share of letdowns over the years and now ATI is experiencing one. It's nothing new and I'm sure both companies will have them again in the future.

This news that Crossfire will be limited for those with X800 cards, while disappointing, is not going to kill the entire Crossfire platform. The R520 will most likely contain the hardware necessary to run dual cards at higher resolutions/refresh rates. And then it will become a viable dual-card system.

Personally, I have no need for either SLI or Crossfire. While it does make for an incredible top end system, the only other way it seems cost effective for anything other than ultra-high end is if the user can pick up a second card later on down the road cheaply. But with 7800GT/GTX prices as low as they are today, it would seem that the single card solution is still the better option for the majoritiy of users.

 

[Wreckage]

It's clear that SLI caught ATI with their pants down, and this was a rushed attempt to pull up their pants before anyone saw shrinkage.

I don't think that the Rxxx series is going to fair any better because it does not have dual support built in.

They need to ditch the dongle, mastercard & res limitation.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So why is this happening with ATI? Honest question.
Crossfire seems like it's not going to be preferred after all the reviews today.
A 16 pipe insanely clocked (R520 with SM3.0)
Incredibly late to market. (Process limitation?)

Unless anyone can say differently, this has to be the worst year for ATI in their entire history. WHY?

Yep ATi is dead

I have no clue.

Well said.

 

[VIAN]

SLI seems to be a much better implementation compared to Crossfire. And with the new 80 series drivers from Nvidia, there is little reason to consider Crossfire over SLI, unless you have an ATI card already.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: rbV5

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So why is this happening with ATI? Honest question.
Crossfire seems like it's not going to be preferred after all the reviews today.
A 16 pipe insanely clocked (R520 with SM3.0)
Incredibly late to market. (Process limitation?)

Unless anyone can say differently, this has to be the worst year for ATI in their entire history. WHY?

Are they incapable? Under staffed with mediocre engineers? I have no clue.
ATI fans are dissappointed everywhere. In every aspect of ATI. What gives? What is going on?

That BS, I've purchased several ATI products this year that are excellent. My MSI motherboard has a great price/performance, my Sapphire Theatrix is awesome hardware encoder solution, and my X800 XL represents a damn good value. You guys and your overblown doomsday is funny how you focus on such a small part of the big picture. There are excellent ATI products in virtually every market they compete in excepting for a very few. Not bad IMO.

Whats funny is that you misinterpreted my questions as factual statements, and not actual questions. You called BS on absolutely nothing. rbv5, either try to answer my legitimate questions, or respectfully shut it. YOU KNOW DAMN WELL I MEANT AFTER THE R420 series. I'm talking now, Since before June of this year. R520, Crossfire, 16pipe letdown that everybody "says" they are ok with. Don't play the dumbass.

I'm not going to go round and round with you keys, but

ATI fans are dissappointed everywhere. In every aspect of ATI. What gives? What is going on?

Pretty much sums up your nonesense, and I disagree. I'm disappointed in "some" aspects, sure, but every aspect...BS. I'm a pretty happy camper with "most" aspects as is likely the case in "most" cases with most users.

Even when I capitalize, you can't, or won't, grasp what I am referring to. Now THAT is nonsense. I don't give a rats a$$ about how happy you are with your last gen ATI card. Thats not what I was referring to. You can take me out of context all you want, but until you agree to get it right, we are gonna have problems. You think I like going round and round? It's annoying as hell. Lets be adults here, and answer each others questions without judging each other. Does this sound like a plan?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So why is this happening with ATI? Honest question.
Crossfire seems like it's not going to be preferred after all the reviews today.
A 16 pipe insanely clocked (R520 with SM3.0)
Incredibly late to market. (Process limitation?)

Unless anyone can say differently, this has to be the worst year for ATI in their entire history. WHY?

Yep ATi is dead

I have no clue.

Well said.

Ok ronnn, what was your problem with my post this time? And try not to be a d!ck this time. And if you're gonna quote me, Go the extra mile and get the last 2 sentences chuckles.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
"So why is this happening with ATI? Honest question.
Crossfire seems like it's not going to be preferred after all the reviews today.
A 16 pipe insanely clocked (R520 with SM3.0)
Incredibly late to market. (Process limitation?)

Unless anyone can say differently, this has to be the worst year for ATI in their entire history. WHY?

Are they incapable? Under staffed with mediocre engineers? I have no clue.
ATI fans are dissappointed everywhere. In every aspect of ATI. What gives? What is going on?"

 

[Killrose]

I would like to see single cards of both NV and ATi run on the Crossfire motherboard and then compared to a nForce4 motherboard just to see if ATi is crippled by thier chipset.

 

[Kyanzes]

Unfortunately crossfire sucks big time. Expensive, complicated (compatible board needed, your AGP version cannot be hooked up cept if you own a ULI chipset board, it has 1600x1200x60Hz limitation, lack of 3.0 shader). It's way too late now. Should have been released like half year ago or perhaps earlier. Shame, hopefully 1800XT will be able to deliver some nice results because this crossfire combo simply... doesn't worth it.

Edit: I wouldn't say a word if it would be cheap...

 

[rbV5]

Even when I capitalize, you can't, or won't, grasp what I am referring to. Now THAT is nonsense. I don't give a rats a$$ about how happy you are with your last gen ATI card. Thats not what I was referring to. You can take me out of context all you want, but until you agree to get it right, we are gonna have problems. You think I like going round and round? It's annoying as hell. Lets be adults here, and answer each others questions without judging each other. Does this sound like a plan?

Keep it to the topic of "Crossfire Reviews" and then we'll not have to filter your posts to figure out what you really mean. Start your own death of ATI thread if you'd like, but try to stay on topic in this one.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Ok ronnn, what was your problem with my post this time? And try not to be a d!ck this time. And if you're gonna quote me, Go the extra mile and get the last 2 sentences chuckles.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
"So why is this happening with ATI? Honest question.
Crossfire seems like it's not going to be preferred after all the reviews today.
A 16 pipe insanely clocked (R520 with SM3.0)
Incredibly late to market. (Process limitation?)

Unless anyone can say differently, this has to be the worst year for ATI in their entire history. WHY?

Are they incapable? Under staffed with mediocre engineers? I have no clue.
ATI fans are dissappointed everywhere. In every aspect of ATI. What gives? What is going on?"

No problems, thankyou. I would like to see your links for the insane overclock. For me this would suggest heat, stability and power issues, likely with artifacts. You are correct that the R520 is behind the 7800gtx (how long has it been out?). Avivo already looks like a winner for that part of the market (not sure what it will do for me though). As for x-fire, will have to see in 6 months - as everyone knew that the x850 gen would generate few sales - I mean why buy a second card when one better card is better? Actually your whole rant just seemed like standard fud.:beer: