Crossfire AFR profiles?

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: Ronin
trini, it was stated in several locations, actually (just as supposedly they were to have a motherboard solution to the dongle/bridge). ATi marketing at work. Both companies are guilty of it, but ATi kept maintaining how they were going to do this and that better than nVidia, because nVidia did it wrong, when it turns out they actually did it right (otherwise, ATi wouldn't have followed an almost identical pattern, save the Crossfire configuration).

I know there was speculation and fanb0y jibber-jabber but was it ever officially claimed by ATi ?

 

[Ronin]

I'd have to found out where, but I'm almost sure that it was, yes, and directly on ATi's site as well.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Ackmed I think you should buy one of these at launch and do a big review so we can see how well they work!

That would be great, you'd really put me in my place, and I sort of like the idea of you with a Crossfire motherboard, ATI chipset.

So I fully expect you to put your money where your mouth is and get one of these great new ATI motherboards you've been defending. I was an early SLI adopter and bought three sets of cards.

Why would anyone early adopt, just to do reviews? Quite a few sites do that already.
Also one thread and you have a friend at nvidia that gives you cards. Another thread Nvidia gives you special deals on cards. Now in this thread you just pay?

 

[imported_X]

While Rollo makes some good points, I take everything he says with a large grain of salt due to his blatant anti-ATI bias. I hate it when people let branding blind them to the reality that every manufacturer has pros and cons.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Rollo

Ackmed I think you should buy one of these at launch and do a big review so we can see how well they work!

That would be great, you'd really put me in my place, and I sort of like the idea of you with a Crossfire motherboard, ATI chipset.

So I fully expect you to put your money where your mouth is and get one of these great new ATI motherboards you've been defending. I was an early SLI adopter and bought three sets of cards.

Why would anyone early adopt, just to do reviews? Quite a few sites do that already.
Also one thread and you have a friend at nvidia that gives you cards. Another thread Nvidia gives you special deals on cards. Now in this thread you just pay?

I have never said anything other than I get good deals on cards from time to time from nVidia, and I never will. So there's nothing to be confused about.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: X
While Rollo makes some good points, I take everything he says with a large grain of salt due to his blatant anti-ATI bias. I hate it when people let branding blind them to the reality that every manufacturer has pros and cons.

I have no brand loyalty, only a brand preference at this point in time. nVidia has better products now, and has for the last year.

I thought the profile thing merited posting, because you get the "Catalyst AI makes Crossfire work with ALL games" stuff a lot, and its more than a little misleading.

If some uninformed person were to think it actually doesn't have profiles, and gives you guaranteed hands off increases, they might feel cheated if they spent their money and found out it not only has profiles, but two defaults instead of one, with no guarantee of any gains.
It's still up to the end user to experiment, and I have heard there's currently no ability to make profiles.

 

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Also one thread and you have a friend at nvidia that gives you cards. Another thread Nvidia gives you special deals on cards. Now in this thread you just pay?

Wasn't it Ronin who gets the free cards?

 

[ronnn]

Nope Ronin states he bought his sli setup, but does seem to get other cards for free. Just how good Rollo's deals are do reflect vested interest and gross bias or just payment for services rendered.

 

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Nope Ronin states he bought his sli setup, but does seem to get other cards for free. Just how good Rollo's deals are do reflect vested interest and gross bias or just payment for services rendered.

Hell if Nvidia or ATi would discount me some high-end hardware I'd be a flaming fan boy too :laugh: You know, can't bite the hand that feeds you and all that

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Nope Ronin states he bought his sli setup, but does seem to get other cards for free. Just how good Rollo's deals are do reflect vested interest and gross bias or just payment for services rendered.

Speculation on your part.

I've never stated the nature of my deals with nVidia (or any other vendor) and never will.

Why? My business, not yours.

BTW- I find it interesting you even care. Don't you have any friends you give discounts to, get discounts from? No man is an island?

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I have no brand loyalty, only a brand preference at this point in time.

Once again I ask, why do you constantly badmouth only non-Nvidia products if you truly have no brand loyalty?

 

[Ronin]

Because he has a leg to stand on?

Both companies have their positives and negatives, which easily fuel both sides of the coin. There will always be some sort of controversy or something else going on.

 

[imported_X]

Rollo, pointing out the flaws of a technology is understandable and appreciated. But when all you can see are the flaws, and you never mention the strengths, you come across as biased.

 

[Steelski]

Hey, Rollo,

Whilst we speak i bet that you have noticed that a sample referance buggy preproduction concept known as Crossfire has beaten the world record in 3d mark 05.

Also another website claims that it even trumps SLI in DOOM 3......
Doom 3 isent that nvidias pride and joy in sli?

Har di har har,

~Thats me laughing at you~

The point that you are making as very null and dull and void.

What ATI is proposing is that all games will benefit from AMR even if they have a profile.

Big deal buddy, Cant you get it through your head that it will work with all games and not just preaproved ones.

We all know that you can set up a profile for SLI but it does not seem to work with everything out there.

Also AMR gives the option of higher image quality.

Why dident SLI do that.......oh oh oh.....because it can not!!!!!

There is also a website somewhere that states that the two cards can work without a bridge at all.
Yes people , a bridge/dongle is not necesary.......(although ATI claim that the compiler is needed in order for the cards to work properly, this would indicate that future radeon releases like the R520 will be able to work without a dongle)

Well it will be for this gen but not the next ( i dont think?!?!?!?!?!?!?)

Unlike many i will be putting my money where my mouth is when i upgrade to a crossfite motherboard and whipe your dirty smile off your face when i fart in your general direction.
By the way, saying powned or whatever it is people say is so last week. Why dont people say this instead.

"I am a lifeless techie that wollows in the defeat of my virtual opponents on the other side of the world. Boy it feels goood, almost as good as my first virtual date that i thought i had with a sexy woman but it turned out to be a 58 yearold pedo after my manboobs.....I hate life....kill me kill me kill me.....please i hate life almost as much as being powned"

 

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: Steelski
"I am a lifeless techie that wollows in the defeat of my virtual opponents on the other side of the world. Boy it feels goood, almost as good as my first virtual date that i thought i had with a sexy woman but it turned out to be a 58 yearold pedo after my manboobs.....I hate life....kill me kill me kill me.....please i hate life almost as much as being powned"

ROFL!!! Damn man. No need to put your business in the street like that. Funny shit!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Steelski]

And another thing,

When i read my coment, apart from my general lack of grahma, i was reminded of something that was on a website somewhere.


it went something like this.

i wont quote it as i cant be asked to look for it....

What was going on with ati on the crossfire front. Nothing, at least in stability terms. No hicups or any glitches.
Where did you get the buggy argument from?

The old southbridge was flawed. but where did you find out and inspect the new one?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo


I have no brand loyalty, only a brand preference at this point in time. nVidia has better products now, and has for the last year.

Hmmm. You defended the FX series a few years back, and still to this day. When everyone knows it was, and even more so is today, a poor card compared to the R300 series.

Better products today is debatable. One is better one way, and another is better in another.

Steelski, you need help man.

To get back on topic. What do we really know about the "profiles" ATi uses? Nothing for sure yet it seems. Do the profiles work behind the sceens? Do you have to make them? Do they work the same as NV's? What happens when a new games comes out? We dont know yet, and assuming isnt a very good idea. Hopefully in a few weeks we can get some real answers.

 

[Steelski]

Why do i need help?

Anyway, My point may have been overlooked because i was bashing someone.

The profiles are not needed for AMR to take advantage. That was one of the essential things that i was saying. Its much like the AI (it is after all going to be activated through it) system that ATI use.

But the very fact that ATI are stating by default that there will be a performance enhancement is very nice to know. in OpenGL it defaults to splitscreen and in Direct X it defaults to chekerboard. What exactly does SLI default to when there is no profile present.?????????
Anyone?

Anyone???

The reason they will have profiles is because AFR will need to be tested. The other two modes are likley to be very simple to implement in openGL and DirectX
One thing does illude me.
The inquirer stated that the chessboard render was always only used in flight simulators in OPEN GL. And now is not supported by Open GL.
Any thoughts.

 

[nitromullet]

There is also a website somewhere that states that the two cards can work without a bridge at all.
Yes people , a bridge/dongle is not necesary......

I call shens... This is BS....

I found this website somewhere that actually shows you how it works...

http://www.ati.com/products/crossfire/index.html

I'm quite sure that ATI themselves wouldn't include the dongle in their demonstration if it wasn't necessary.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Steelski
Why do i need help?

Anyway, My point may have been overlooked because i was bashing someone.

The profiles are not needed for AMR to take advantage. That was one of the essential things that i was saying. Its much like the AI (it is after all going to be activated through it) system that ATI use.

But the very fact that ATI are stating by default that there will be a performance enhancement is very nice to know. in OpenGL it defaults to splitscreen and in Direct X it defaults to chekerboard. What exactly does SLI default to when there is no profile present.?????????
Anyone?

Anyone???

The reason they will have profiles is because AFR will need to be tested. The other two modes are likley to be very simple to implement in openGL and DirectX
One thing does illude me.
The inquirer stated that the chessboard render was always only used in flight simulators in OPEN GL. And now is not supported by Open GL.
Any thoughts.

You need help for many reasons, but the one I'll mention is your astounding lack of accurate information:

The profiles are not needed for AMR to take advantage.

Profiles are needed for AFR, ATI admits it themselves.

What exactly does SLI default to when there is no profile present.?????????
Anyone?
Anyone???

I personally have it default to split screen SLI, but I have the choice between that, single card, AFR1, and AFR2. I choose split screen because it's the most compatible.

Also another website claims that it even trumps SLI in DOOM 3......
Doom 3 isent that nvidias pride and joy in sli? Har di har har, ~Thats me laughing at you~

Why are you laughing at me? Do you have a better gaming computer than me? (not likely) Did you design Crossfire? (not likely) Do you understand that winning at 10X7 on SLI doesn't mean much, because you'd never run less than 16X12 if your monitor supports it, and even the 12X10 4X8X the 6800U was pulling away?

So let's see: you're laughing at me because you have a much slower computer than mine, and you're happy some other guys won a low res benchmark no one would run? Makes sense to me. :roll:

Big deal buddy, Cant you get it through your head that it will work with all games and not just preaproved ones.

I'll remind you of that when you see in the future that no kind of SLI can help games that are totally cpu limited with anything other than higher levels of AA. Woot.

There is also a website somewhere that states that the two cards can work without a bridge at all.
Yes people , a bridge/dongle is not necesary..

It might not be necessary, it isn't for SLI. It works better with it though.

Unlike many i will be putting my money where my mouth is when i upgrade to a crossfite motherboard and whipe your dirty smile off your face when i fart in your general direction.

I guess by your logic I am currently farting in your general direction and there is no smile on your face- because my computer blows yours away? Now? Not at some point in the future? Of course, if you're getting "Crossfite" better watch who you annoy- they may have dual G70s and you'll be in the same position your are now.

By the way, saying powned or whatever it is people say is so last week. Why dont people say this instead.

"I am a lifeless techie that wollows in the defeat of my virtual opponents on the other side of the world. Boy it feels goood, almost as good as my first virtual date that i thought i had with a sexy woman but it turned out to be a 58 yearold pedo after my manboobs.....I hate life....kill me kill me kill me.....please i hate life almost as much as being powned"

I don't know about the rest, but I don't say stuff like that because I'm not 13?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

There is also a website somewhere that states that the two cards can work without a bridge at all.
Yes people , a bridge/dongle is not necesary......

I call shens... This is BS....

I found this website somewhere that actually shows you how it works...

http://www.ati.com/products/crossfire/index.html

I'm quite sure that ATI themselves wouldn't include the dongle in their demonstration if it wasn't necessary.

FYI, its not a dongle. For some reason that word has spread, but its not accurate.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: nitromullet

There is also a website somewhere that states that the two cards can work without a bridge at all.
Yes people , a bridge/dongle is not necesary......

I call shens... This is BS....

I found this website somewhere that actually shows you how it works...

http://www.ati.com/products/crossfire/index.html

I'm quite sure that ATI themselves wouldn't include the dongle in their demonstration if it wasn't necessary.

In 3dfx days we called it the "Pass Through Cable", and hung a Little Tree Pine Scent air freshener on it...
Heh
It was called the Pass Through cable, but what do you call it Ackmed?


FYI, its not a dongle. For some reason that word has spread, but its not accurate.

 

[Steelski]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Steelski
Why do i need help?

Anyway, My point may have been overlooked because i was bashing someone.

The profiles are not needed for AMR to take advantage. That was one of the essential things that i was saying. Its much like the AI (it is after all going to be activated through it) system that ATI use.

But the very fact that ATI are stating by default that there will be a performance enhancement is very nice to know. in OpenGL it defaults to splitscreen and in Direct X it defaults to chekerboard. What exactly does SLI default to when there is no profile present.?????????
Anyone?

Anyone???

The reason they will have profiles is because AFR will need to be tested. The other two modes are likley to be very simple to implement in openGL and DirectX
One thing does illude me.
The inquirer stated that the chessboard render was always only used in flight simulators in OPEN GL. And now is not supported by Open GL.
Any thoughts.

You need help for many reasons, but the one I'll mention is your astounding lack of accurate information:

The profiles are not needed for AMR to take advantage.

Profiles are needed for AFR, ATI admits it themselves.

I am not denying that, but i am saying that AMR(ATI multi rendering) is able to work in scissors and chess with no testing. whils nvidia has to sometimes resort to single card running. can you deny that?

What exactly does SLI default to when there is no profile present.?????????
Anyone?
Anyone???

I personally have it default to split screen SLI, but I have the choice between that, single card, AFR1, and AFR2. I choose split screen because it's the most compatible.

There you go boy, you said it yourself.
Most compatibility.
I am guessing that this means that you have problems with compatibility.....right. at least on occasion.

Also another website claims that it even trumps SLI in DOOM 3......
Doom 3 isent that nvidias pride and joy in sli? Har di har har, ~Thats me laughing at you~

Why are you laughing at me? Do you have a better gaming computer than me? (not likely) Did you design Crossfire? (not likely) Do you understand that winning at 10X7 on SLI doesn't mean much, because you'd never run less than 16X12 if your monitor supports it, and even the 12X10 4X8X the 6800U was pulling away?

hmmmm. your right, it was pulling away with a frame more.
I hope that lets you sleep easy at night that the biggest advantage nvidia really has in doom 3 against preproduction hardware is actually with beta drivers is 1-2 frames.

So let's see: you're laughing at me because you have a much slower computer than mine, and you're happy some other guys won a low res benchmark no one would run? Makes sense to me. :roll:

No , im laughing at you because you are truly sad.

Big deal buddy, Cant you get it through your head that it will work with all games and not just preaproved ones.

I'll remind you of that when you see in the future that no kind of SLI can help games that are totally cpu limited with anything other than higher levels of AA. Woot.

with PPU's coming and dual core support it seems that hardly any game will end up being CPU bound.

There is also a website somewhere that states that the two cards can work without a bridge at all.
Yes people , a bridge/dongle is not necesary..

It might not be necessary, it isn't for SLI. It works better with it though.

Your right

Unlike many i will be putting my money where my mouth is when i upgrade to a crossfite motherboard and whipe your dirty smile off your face when i fart in your general direction.

I guess by your logic I am currently farting in your general direction and there is no smile on your face- because my computer blows yours away? Now? Not at some point in the future? Of course, if you're getting "Crossfite" better watch who you annoy- they may have dual G70s and you'll be in the same position your are now.

Oh no. I am really terified of your computational prowes.
You are so easy to wind up it makes the time i called the emerganie services saying that they have a bomb in the building a small splash in the pond. (that never really happend)

Who said that i would be getting x800/x850's, anyway.[/i]

By the way, saying powned or whatever it is people say is so last week. Why dont people say this instead.

"I am a lifeless techie that wollows in the defeat of my virtual opponents on the other side of the world. Boy it feels goood, almost as good as my first virtual date that i thought i had with a sexy woman but it turned out to be a 58 yearold pedo after my manboobs.....I hate life....kill me kill me kill me.....please i hate life almost as much as being powned"

I don't know about the rest, but I don't say stuff like that because I'm not 13?

I'm not 13. I'm 14..........well not really. I'm 23
you are not denying it though.
No you dont say that. you say something "look at my super rig, yeah yeah, its even got hydrolicks so i can bounce it like a lowrider." it has been to mars and brought world peace. " Which goes with my point about you having a sad life set in the internet. and you belive you will conquer the world with your computer.

Excuse me whilst i go and cry in my massive pillow over the inferiority of my rig.
I will cry in the arms of my fabulous fionce and tell my dad that you dissed me so he can beat you and your daddy up. (i weep, but somehow i manage to write the next sentance)

The point of my last few lines where i "powned you " (hehehe) was that i knew you would come back with a smarmy coment about the greatness of your rig.

Can you see what i am getting at,
your transparency is evident in the fact you have such a virtual life.
Almost life, but nowhere near.

I for one am not really that botherd that i am not the altime greates player and understand what a resonable budget is for a rig.

Yes you have a much better rig than mine.
So......

I know you are feeling insecure that someone has attacked your brand loyaltee. but come on, will you defend it to the death. look in the mirror if all you can say to me is that i have a better rig than you.

Anyway,

ATI profiles will most likley be optimizations for running in crossfire, and non profiled games will default to a performance enhancing state like chessboard or splitscreen,

If that is the default then my point stands that ATI have no problem at all running an untested game with split or chess effect.