Crook County voting machine changs votes frm repub to democrats. Now Spreading in IL

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rockyct

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werepossum said:
One amusing thing is that every lefty is saying "It was only one machine!" When voting, you only get to vote on one machine, so that is the absolute maximum number of fraudulent machines one can possibly encounter. (Unless the replacement machine is also wrong, of course.) That said, I would think even a Democrat would catch it if the machine registers the wrong vote.

Well, even a Democrat outside of Florida anyway.
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I just voted on a touchscreen machine last week. When you touch the candidate a big highlighted box appears over the choice you made and the other name gets greyed out. This isn't the someone confusing nature of the butterfly ballots. It's pretty clear the one machine hadn't been calibrated when it was set up, which is laziness or incompetence, since they were able to touch the bottom of the screen to record the right vote. This was on the first day of early voting and like himkam said, he probably was the first to use the machine since politicians like being the first ones to vote.
 
halik

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michal1980 said:
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20141020/news/141029785/

'calibration error' is claimed. This 'error' was only caught because the voter noticed the fraud.

false thread title fixed - one machine, and zero evidence of "rigging" - DrPizza
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It's a touch screen; that kinda stuff will happen. I voted yesterday downtown Chicago on the touchscreen machines; when you press the check box a big green X crosses it.

Also you get TWO opportunities to review you votes - one on the touchscreen and then the whole thing again on the printer that scrolls to the right of it.
 
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rockyct said:
I just voted on a touchscreen machine last week. When you touch the candidate a big highlighted box appears over the choice you made and the other name gets greyed out. This isn't the someone confusing nature of the butterfly ballots. It's pretty clear the one machine hadn't been calibrated when it was set up, which is laziness or incompetence, since they were able to touch the bottom of the screen to record the right vote. This was on the first day of early voting and like himkam said, he probably was the first to use the machine since politicians like being the first ones to vote.
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halik said:
It's a touch screen; that kinda stuff will happen. I voted yesterday downtown Chicago on the touchscreen machines; when you press the check box a big green X crosses it.

Also you get TWO opportunities to review you votes - one on the touchscreen and then the whole thing again on the printer that scrolls to the right of it.
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you guys are right. When the votes go for democrats its just a mistake, error or oversight. If they went for republicans it would be the end the world. Think of the old people getting confused, thinking of the minorities getting confused, VOTER SUPPRESSION.
 
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How is this even a story?
How are people even that upset about this?

If the machine took your selection and then changed your votes after the fact:
You have a right to be mad.

If this touchscreen NEVER showed you your selection and your vote could be cast for the wrong candidate:
You have a right to be mad


Did either of these two things happen? Did the people casting their votes NOT see who was selected when they pushed the button to proceed?

Are those of you up in arms about this alleged voter fraud really taking the stance that someone was purposely trying to rig the system through a method that requires showing the person being duped their incorrect selection multiple times?

Something that needs to be fixed? Sure. Who in their right minds is going to be selecting a candidate with a touchscreen, and then when he sees that the wrong individual is selected, then continue with that selection? On top of that, you want us to believe that multiple people are dumb enough to do that without saying anything? Then you want us to believe that someone came up with this harebrained idea as a way to rig the voting process?

Think about how illogical all of that sounds.

Id be more apt to believe that the machine was purposely rigged so that a news story could be written to drum up concern. Not everything is a conspiracy.
 
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michal1980 said:
you guys are right. When the votes go for democrats its just a mistake, error or oversight. If they went for republicans it would be the end the world. Think of the old people getting confused, thinking of the minorities getting confused, VOTER SUPPRESSION.
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You may be retarded.
 
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Lash444 said:
How is this even a story?
How are people even that upset about this?

If the machine took your selection and then changed your votes after the fact:
You have a right to be mad.

If this touchscreen NEVER showed you your selection and your vote could be cast for the wrong candidate:
You have a right to be mad


Did either of these two things happen? Did the people casting their votes NOT see who was selected when they pushed the button to proceed?

Are those of you up in arms about this alleged voter fraud really taking the stance that someone was purposely trying to rig the system through a method that requires showing the person being duped their incorrect selection multiple times?

Something that needs to be fixed? Sure. Who in their right minds is going to be selecting a candidate with a touchscreen, and then when he sees that the wrong individual is selected, then continue with that selection? On top of that, you want us to believe that multiple people are dumb enough to do that without saying anything? Then you want us to believe that someone came up with this harebrained idea as a way to rig the voting process?

Think about how illogical all of that sounds.

Id be more apt to believe that the machine was purposely rigged so that a news story could be written to drum up concern. Not everything is a conspiracy.
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Lol

If this happened the other way the left would be crying.

Think of the old people.
Think of the minorities. EVIL republicans scamming elections.

But you guys are right, since this is happening to republicans, its a non-story.
 
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michal1980 said:
Lol

If this happened the other way the left would be crying.

Think of the old people.
Think of the minorities. EVIL republicans scamming elections.

But you guys are right, since this is happening to republicans, its a non-story.
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You are projecting.

There are going to be the extremists on both sides. I think this case is almost a perfect example to show who on this board (coming from the right) is capable of rational thought. I'm being serious.

In order to believe this was intentional, you have to believe that someone rigged the touchscreen to produce votes for the other side. Is that possible? Sure.

1.)What do you think the chance was, given the way the machine probably shows your selection multiple times before submission, that these fraudulent votes would have been cast by multiple voters before an alarm was rung and the issue resolved?

2.) And to give this story some credibility, would YOU use this method to have votes changed?

Answer those questions.

I'm going to guess you won't answer them, because NOBODY is dumb enough to think that method for changing a vote would work. Especially someone with the know-how to intentionally screw with the calibration in a way to fix them.

End of story.
 
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rockyct said:
I just voted on a touchscreen machine last week. When you touch the candidate a big highlighted box appears over the choice you made and the other name gets greyed out. This isn't the someone confusing nature of the butterfly ballots. It's pretty clear the one machine hadn't been calibrated when it was set up, which is laziness or incompetence, since they were able to touch the bottom of the screen to record the right vote. This was on the first day of early voting and like himkam said, he probably was the first to use the machine since politicians like being the first ones to vote.
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Probably. If the other machines had similar problems, it wouldn't necessarily make the news, but certainly would be noticeable to the voters. And if the other machines weren't fixed, that would have made the news.
 
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What?!?! Rigged voting machines pro democrat?
Why involve innocent machinery?
Gawd... Can't we just leave voter suppression up to the US Supreme Court, as usual?
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liberals are fuckin gay, they can't win shit without cheating.

http://patterico.com/2014/10/24/wap...-previously-predicted-by-this-here-very-blog/

remember, franken won by a mere 312 votes. 1099 were by by convicted felons.

"Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted -- not just accused, but convicted -- of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. "The numbers aren't greater," the authors say, "because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and 'knowingly' voted unlawfully." The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong."

but. no. no such thing as voter fraud. :rolleyes:
 
rockyct

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michal1980 said:
you guys are right.
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Cool, glad you finally see it rationally.

werepossum said:
Probably. If the other machines had similar problems, it wouldn't necessarily make the news, but certainly would be noticeable to the voters. And if the other machines weren't fixed, that would have made the news.
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"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

They didn't calibrate the touchscreens and this one happened to get way out of whack. It happens with touchscreen terminals. Heck, a greasy fingerprint can fuck up a capacitive touchscreen quite easily. I bet this actually happens quite often and the poll worker is notified and fixes the issue without any trouble. The only difference is that this time the guy was a candidate so he overreacted and wanted to make a fuss about it.
 
himkhan

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michal1980 said:
you guys are right. When the votes go for democrats its just a mistake, error or oversight. If they went for republicans it would be the end the world. Think of the old people getting confused, thinking of the minorities getting confused, VOTER SUPPRESSION.
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So when faced with the glaringly obvious truth about how full of shit your posts are, you simply double down on stupidity. You DO realize that people might just give you a shred of respect if you ever, once, admitted you fucked up and made a stupid, stupid thread.
 
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CitizenKain said:
I'm not sure there is anyone on this forum as stupid as you. Even for a rightwinger you are fucking dumb, and that is saying a lot.
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It's fears no evil's dumber 1/2 brother.... the abortion that lived, ate and drank to excess, gambled away him and his family's home, and now grabs free wifi from outside his box behind the McD's.
 
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loganone said:
You must have a short memory.

http://www.salon.com/2006/09/13/diebold_3/
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/03/diebolds-political-machine
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/02/opinion/hack-the-vote.html
http://www.bushstole04.com/hackingelections/Summary.htm
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You must have reading comprehension problems or the same knee jerk reaction. We are talking about one touch screen not being calibrated and that being some nefarious plot by the democrats to alter votes. Even the republican, voting for himself who caught it first, didn't protest like some of the whiners posting here. That speaks volumes regarding the agenda and integrity of the person who keeps saying everything BUT "I was wrong". "My bad". "I'll fix that bs title myself" Etc.
 
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You guys draw parallels between the dumbest shit. One article is bringing up a connection between a political party and the owners and operators of the voting machines... and in this case, its about a voting machine that shows you the fraudulent vote before its cast.

How can you sit their with a straight face, and say that's the same thing?

We should all be concerned that votes are being tallied incorrectly. Nobody with a lick of common sense, as stated in my previous posts, would think this was a valid way to "fix" an election.

However, rigging the machine, transparent to the users is a completely different animal. Pull your heads out of your asses.
 
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