Critical Race Theory Is The Left’s QAnon

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SMOGZINN

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So you think there is some validity to math as we currently teach it being racist?

It didn't say the math was racist, only the way we teach it. The history we assign it is subjective, we decide which mathmagicians to honor based on our cultural biases. The stories we tell about it is subjective, even if the numbers are not.

Or do you believe that Newton came up with the theory of gravity because an apple fell on his head?
 

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Anyone ever notice that those people railing against indoctrination are also more likely to send their kids to parochial schools or keep them homeschooled??
 

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Right. So care to elaborate on how we currently teach it that is racist?

I'm not really sure. I can only guess it is a lot like many other fields where we simply ignore the contributions from people we don't want to recognize, and over emphasize the ones that we do. I know that we have a tendency to tell stories that are completely made up about how things happened, and those often completely erase the accomplishments of minority groups.
One thing is certain, I was never taught about a single non-white mathematician in grade school.
 
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I'm not really sure. I can only guess it is a lot like many other fields where we simply ignore the contributions from people we don't want to recognize, and over emphasize the ones that we do. I know that we have a tendency to tell stories that are completely made up about how things happened, and those often completely erase the accomplishments of minority groups.
One thing is certain, I was never taught about a single non-white mathematician in grade school.

So nothing of an substance. Also, you're referring to things that are much more taught in history classes, not math.

I don't recall any word problems in math where it said the equivalent of "Billy (Whom is white) has 4 black slaves. He lynches 2, how many does he have left?"

So again, what are we talking about here? Any remote truth here, or just randomly trying to find commonality with the ridiculousness of that curriculum?
 
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Lifer
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So nothing of an substance.
You are the one complaining about it. You are the one caught up in a moral panic. Why worry if it is nothing of substance?

Also, you're referring to things that are much more taught in history classes, not math.
The history of math is taught in math classes. The teach you who came up with a formula and often give you a story about how. At least my math classes spent some time talking about the people that we celebrate for their accomplishments in math.

I don't recall any word problems in math where it said the equivalent of "Billy (Whom is white) has 4 black slaves. He lynches 2, how many does he have left?"
Maybe not quite that obvious, but having grown up in the deep south I can remember some that were more along the lings of 'Tyrone has one watermelon, if he makes 4 even cuts how many slices will he have?'

So again, what are we talking about here? Any remote truth here, or just randomly trying to find commonality with the ridiculousness of that curriculum?
So again, you are the one worried. My premise was that it is no big deal. They are just acknowledging that we white wash history and saying they will try to stop.
 
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We've got another strong entry in the "Republican politicians who have no earthly idea what they are talking about" contest:


It's interesting how the idea of teaching history to all of the students in the class can be considered "divisive" and "socialist."

I'm going to reiterate what I said earlier in this thread. Republican outrage over CRT is just mainstreaming the old white supremacist conspiracy that teaching black history in the classrooms is the same as teaching kids to hate whitey.
With that in mind, "divisive" translates to non-whites getting a voice, and "socialist" as racial equality.

I'm also going to remind people that when the subject was brought up that race doesn't actually exist except as a social construct, the OP called that racist.
 
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I was taught religion in school. I still take offense to that. But hey it didnt kill me….so many different people, and all have to get along. Right? Whats the alternative? Not get along?
If some math teacher wants to use history to bring home something on statistics, well, DONT BE A FUCKING KAREN ABOUT IT.
 
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For those who are interested more information on (potentially) how math is taught in ontario:

The sections that will induce a moral panic in those who view teaching to every child as anathema are these two paragraphs:
TLDR
  • Every student has the right to quality education that allows them to succeed in mathematics
  • Research shows certain groups of students historically struggle learning math due to systemic barriers
  • Teachers can use culturally appropriate examples & incorporate students backgrounds to help connect these groups with the ideas being taught in order to better serve them

Human Rights, Equity, and Inclusive Education in Mathematics
Research indicates that there are groups of students who continue to experience systemic barriers to learning mathematics. Systemic barriers can result in inequitable outcomes, such as chronic underachievement and low confidence in mathematics. Achieving equitable outcomes in mathematics for all students requires educators to pay attention to these barriers and to how they can overlap and intersect, compounding their effect. Educators ensure that students have access to enrichment support, as necessary, and they capitalize on the rich cultural knowledge, experience, and competencies that all students bring to mathematics learning. When educators develop pedagogical practices that are differentiated, culturally relevant, and responsive, and hold high and appropriate expectations of students, they maximize the opportunity for all students to learn, and they create the conditions necessary to ensure that students have a positive identity as a mathematics learner and can succeed in mathematics and in all other subjects.
It is essential to develop practices that learn from and build on students’ cultural competencies and linguistic resources, recognizing that students bring a wealth of mathematical knowledge, information, experiences, and skills into the classroom, often in languages different from the language of instruction. Educators create the conditions for authentic mathematics experiences by connecting mathematics learning to students’ communities and lives; by respecting and harnessing students’ prior knowledge, experiences, strengths, and interests; and by acknowledging and actively reducing and eliminating the systemic barriers that some students face. Mathematics learning that is student-centered allows students to find relevance and meaning in what they are learning, to make real-life connections to the curriculum.
Mathematics classrooms also provide an opportunity for cross-curricular learning and for teaching about human rights. To create safe, inclusive, and engaging learning environments, educators must be committed to equity and inclusion for all students and to upholding and promoting human rights. Every student, regardless of their background, identity, or personal circumstances, has the right to have mathematics opportunities that allow them to succeed, personally and academically. In any mathematics classroom, it is crucial to acknowledge students’ multiple social identities and how students intersect with the world. Educators have an obligation to develop and nurture learning environments that are reflective of and responsive to students’ strengths, needs, cultures, and diverse lived experiences, and to set appropriate and high expectations for all.

Culturally Relevant and Responsive Pedagogy in Mathematics
Rich, high-quality instruction and tasks are the foundation of culturally relevant and responsive pedagogy (CRRP) in mathematics. In CRRP classrooms, teachers learn about their own identities and pay attention to how those identities affect their teaching, their ideas, and their biases. Teachers also learn about students’ identities, identifications, and/or affiliations and build on students’ ideas, questions, and interests to support the development of an engaging mathematics classroom community.
In mathematics spaces using CRRP, students are engaged in shaping much of the learning so that students have mathematical agency and feel invested in the outcomes. Students develop agency that motivates them to take ownership of their learning of, and progress in, mathematics. Teaching about diverse mathematical figures in history and from different global contexts enables students not only to see themselves reflected in mathematical learning – a key factor in developing students’ sense of self – but also to learn about others, and the multiple ways mathematics exists in all aspects of the world around them.
Culturally reflective and responsive teachers know that there is more than one way to develop a solution. Students are exposed to multiple ways of knowing and are encouraged to explore multiple ways of finding answers. For example, an Indigenous pedagogical approach emphasizes holistic, experiential learning; teacher modelling; and the use of collaborative and engaging activities. Teachers differentiate instruction and assessment opportunities to encourage different ways of learning, to allow all students to learn from and with each other, and to promote an awareness of and respect for the diverse and multiple ways of knowing that make up our classrooms, schools, and the world. When making connections between mathematics and real-life applications, teachers may work in partnership with Indigenous communities to co-teach. Teachers may respectfully incorporate Indigenous culturally specific examples as a way to meaningfully infuse Indigenous knowledge into the mathematics program. In this way, culturally specific examples can be used without cultural appropriation.
More information on equity and inclusive education can be found in the "Human Rights, Equity, and Inclusive Education" subsection of "Considerations for Program Planning".
 

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For those who are interested more information on (potentially) how math is taught in ontario:

The sections that will induce a moral panic in those who view teaching to every child as anathema are these two paragraphs:
TLDR
  • Every student has the right to quality education that allows them to succeed in mathematics
  • Research shows certain groups of students historically struggle learning math due to systemic barriers
  • Teachers can use culturally appropriate examples & incorporate students backgrounds to help connect these groups with the ideas being taught in order to better serve them
What do you think the odds are that you get a response from the OP on this?
 
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Lifer
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What do you think the odds are that you get a response from the OP on this?
I don't know. There's some really triggering words like diversity & inclusion in there.

There's also a lot of ignorance, by many, on how teachers are supposed to effectively teach a diverse group of kids. The verbiage in there could probably apply to most topics taught, but for math a lot people & not just the OP, are going to jump on it as unnecessary, since math is supposed to be non-subjective. Which of course misses the point. Math is non-subjective but how it's taught so each child understands it is not
 

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Which reveals the underlying premise behind all this CRT outrage, which is that conservatives do not want it taught in schools that slavery was bad and/or was justified through racism. They want all of that history erased.

Of that there can be little doubt given that they themselves have been trying to erase it for 155 years with "lost cause" historical revisionism which remains highly popular in the south. No one ever seems to mention this when talking about conservative opposition to "CRT."
 
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Nobodysmind is the gift that keeps on giving, encapsulating what is White Fragility by American right wingers day in and day out.
 
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Sigh... the 2nd question there was just as bad. :(
I held off on my own answer to that question because the name sounded familiar. Glad I did.

I’d teach both Arabic numerals and Father Lemaitre’s creation theory.
 

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I held off on my own answer to that question because the name sounded familiar. Glad I did.

I’d teach both Arabic numerals and Father Lemaitre’s creation theory.

To be fair on the second question, you wouldn't expect many people to actually understand that 'Lemaitre’s creation theory" was an early precursor of the big bang theory. Well, I guess not that many people understand what Arabic numerals are, either, but that ought to be at least better known than Lemaitre.

The second important distinction is that the second question has nothing to do with bigotry. The question is trying to fool people without detailed knowledge of the history of physics into thinking its asking about teaching creationism in school. Opposition to which is not bigotry. It's just a belief that we shouldn't teach something unscientific in schools.