Crist to run as an Independent in November

[zsdersw]

Pot meet kettle. If you want an actual moderate liberal Democrat look at Bill Clinton. Obama may have pretended to be a moderate liberal when campaigning but there is a lot of evidence from his own writings, speeches, actions, and associates prior to his Presidential run to indicate otherwise.

He has not acted like an ultra-liberal as president or sought ultra-liberal policies.

 

[nick1985]

He has not acted like an ultra-liberal as president or sought ultra-liberal policies.

lol

 

[zsdersw]

He is not. I could turn the rest of your post around right back at you.

You could try, but would fail.

Obama has not:

- Closed Gitmo
- Removed us from Iraq and Afghanistan
- Repealed DADT
- The stimulus bill was not of FDR size or scope
- Called for taking over other banks and financial institutions

The nuclear treaty with Russia was endorsed by Sen. Richard Lugar.
His overall foreign policy has received the approval of James Baker
His approach to terrorism is not much different than GWB's.

 

[nick1985]

Obama has not called for taking over other banks and financial institutions

lol

 

[zsdersw]

lol

Other than ones that were already.

 

[nick1985]

Other than ones that were already.

Thats a hell of an *

 

[zsdersw]

Pot meet kettle. If you want an actual moderate liberal Democrat look at Bill Clinton. Obama may have pretended to be a moderate liberal when campaigning but there is a lot of evidence from his own writings, speeches, actions, and associates prior to his Presidential run to indicate otherwise.

Obama is not Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Sanders, Garrison Keillor, or George Soros.

 

[zsdersw]

Thats a hell of an *

It wasn't, but since you didn't see the "other" in my first post about it.. which would imply ones that weren't already taken over via TARP.. I had to clarify.

Obama's definitely liberal, but don't be so delusional to believe he's an ultra-liberal.

 

[nick1985]

Obama's definitely liberal, but don't be so delusional to believe he's an ultra-liberal.

Government seizing control of the auto industry, the financial industry, the healthcare industry, soft stance on Iran, classic anti-israel liberal hatred..yeah...ok pal.

Hes an ultra-liberal.

 

[zsdersw]

Government seizing control of the auto industry, the financial industry, the healthcare industry, soft stance on Iran, classic anti-israel liberal hatred..yeah...ok pal.

Hes an ultra-liberal.

No he's not.

- Control of the auto industry: Yeah right.. GM has every intent to buy the government out of the company. GM also, by the way, is not the entire auto industry. Ford is doing just fine and wasn't bailed out, for example.

- Control of the financial industry: Again, yeah right. The banks are buying the government out of their stake.

- Control of the healthcare industry: Not really. There is no new public option.

- Soft stance on Iran: Eh, not really.. unless you also want to consider GWB's stance on Iran "liberal".

- Anti-Israel hatred: Hatred? Gee, no hyperbole there .

 

[nick1985]

No he's not.

Yes he is.

 

[zsdersw]

Yes he is.

No he's not. List why he is as liberal as you say he is. I listed why he's not.

 

[sandorski]

No he's not. List why he is as liberal as you say he is. I listed why he's not.

You're wasting your time.

 

[nick1985]

No he's not.

Yes he is. I listed my reasons and you came back with lame retorts, like "GM has intent to repay its loan!!!"...they should never have been seized by the government, and "But Bush was soft on Iran, was Bush a liberal?!?!"...this "But Bush" shit is a little old. Yes, Bush fucked up on Iran. NOW WHAT? Obama is soft on Iran. He is being a BIG FAT PUSSY about Iran.

 

[nick1985]

You're wasting your time.

Oh great, they almighty sandorski joined the fray. As if anyone with conservative views can have a sensible conversation with the likes of you.

 

[sandorski]

Oh great, they almighty sandorski joined the fray. As if anyone with conservative views can have a sensible conversation with the likes of you.

sniffles

 

[hal2kilo]

Oh great, they almighty sandorski joined the fray. As if anyone with conservative views can have a sensible conversation with the likes of you.

This right wing troll crap from a county worker (sucking off the taxpayers) who obviously does nothing all day except troll ATPN!

 

[nick1985]

This right wing troll crap from a county worker (sucking off the taxpayers) who obviously does nothing all day except troll ATPN!

You obviously know my work schedule.

 

[nick1985]

sniffles

Did I make you cry?

 

[zsdersw]

Yes he is. I listed my reasons and you came back with lame retorts, like "GM has intent to repay its loan!!!"...they should never have been seized by the government, and "But Bush was soft on Iran, was Bush a liberal?!?!"...this "But Bush" shit is a little old. Yes, Bush fucked up on Iran. NOW WHAT? Obama is soft on Iran. He is being a BIG FAT PUSSY about Iran.

You didn't list any specifically valid reasons. You listed generalizations that were woefully inaccurate.

GM wasn't "seized" by the government, and Obama never said the government's stake in GM would be permanent. If the government was playing a role in design and manufacturing, you may have a point. Since it's not, you don't.

Obama and Bush's Iran policy is not liberal. There are no serious plans for dealing with Iran that aren't only incrementally divergent from Bush's and Obama's.

Big fat pussy, huh? Well tell me, oh educated and savvy one, what would you do with Iran?

 

[nick1985]

You didn't list any specifically valid reasons.

Yes I did. I think we just have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[zsdersw]

Yes I did. I think we just have to agree to disagree on this one.

No you didn't.. as I said, they were very inaccurate generalizations.

 

[nick1985]

No you didn't.. as I said, they were very inaccurate generalizations.

...says you. Agree to disagree.

 

[zsdersw]

...says you. Agree to disagree.

So, a lack of specifics is something only I can notice about your "list"?

I should've known that you have no real information to back up your claim.. only partisan sound bites and shiny-turd generalizations. If you did have something to back them up you'd be refuting what I'm saying in response to your list.

 

[nick1985]

So, a lack of specifics is something only I can notice about your "list"?

I should've known that you have no real information to back up your claim.. only partisan sound bites and shiny-turd generalizations. If you did have something to back them up you'd be refuting what I'm saying in response to your list.

OK pal, I guess I'm crazy since I see an expanding federal government with increasing power that is not granted to it through its enumerated powers. You've got it all figured out. Governemnt is getting smaller, spending is going down, right?