Cremation incident in restaurant – Over Reacted?

[JulesMaximus]

In other words, your trolling. Thanks for clarifying that.

I'd call it debating...

 

[Cogman]

I'd call it debating...

Posting with faux outrage over something that you just admitted you are "playing devils advocate" over is not debating, it is trolling.

You haven't actually addressed any of the questions that I've posed to you. Debating is a two way street.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Posting with faux outrage over something that you just admitted you are "playing devils advocate" over is not debating, it is trolling.

You haven't actually addressed any of the questions that I've posed to you. Debating is a two way street.

I believe what I've said. That's not trolling.

In my opinion your questions had no relevancy to anything I posted.

 

[OOBradm]

I don't care what a bunch of pandering criminals call it. It's still wrong. Just because some dumb ass codifies something, that doesn't make it right. Blacks were 3/5 of a person at one time. Was that wrong, or did blacks evolve to become a whole person? If they evolved, when did that evolution occur? Sure was quick, evolving within a century....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_&_Dragons)#Chaotic_Good

 

[classy]

OP,

You're a fucking asshole, actually you are much worse than that. Just because you don't think so, and three people agree with you, doesn't change the fact that you're really one of the most stuck up inconsiderate people I've read about on ATOT. Their agreement just means they are also inconsiderate assholes.

I'm shocked both you and your wife agreed on this, she must be a gigantic bitch, congrats, you must be perfect for each other. Were you both stuck up, irrational, fear ridden, evedropping people when you met, or did one of you influence the other?

Also, you know the rules, post pics of bitch wife.

And just to be clear, you can hold whatever opinion you want, just keep your fucking mouth shut if a group of mourning people do something completely fucking harmless and it makes you uncomfortable because you're ignorant. YOU put the manager in a position that was really uncomfortable, ever think of that asshole?

The OP was asking for opinions. It doesn't seem like he was just being nasty and it would appear to me he was trying to sort through if he was right or not. People make mistakes in judgement and I get the sense he was trying to make sense of this all. No excuse for you jump on his wife like this. This post is way over the line.

 

[lxskllr]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_&_Dragons)#Chaotic_Good

:^D

That's pretty close :^)

 

[Krazy4Real]

Yes, you overreacted.

 

[Homerboy]

OP,

You're a fucking asshole, actually you are much worse than that. Just because you don't think so, and three people agree with you, doesn't change the fact that you're really one of the most stuck up inconsiderate people I've read about on ATOT. Their agreement just means they are also inconsiderate assholes.

I'm shocked both you and your wife agreed on this, she must be a gigantic bitch, congrats, you must be perfect for each other. Were you both stuck up, irrational, fear ridden, evedropping people when you met, or did one of you influence the other?

Also, you know the rules, post pics of bitch wife.

And just to be clear, you can hold whatever opinion you want, just keep your fucking mouth shut if a group of mourning people do something completely fucking harmless and it makes you uncomfortable because you're ignorant. YOU put the manager in a position that was really uncomfortable, ever think of that asshole?

I've been silently enjoying this thread.
However the above quoted post made me laugh out loud. Just freaking awesome.

Also, you know the rules, post pics of bitch wife.

LOL. Awesome.

 

[JoeBleed]

Aren't most cremated remains returned to you in a sealed plastic bag at which point you can purchase and place the bag in the urn?

Either way, OP is a douche bag. They weren't passing it around and sprinkling ashes around, it was hurting absolutely nothing and no one. I'd rather eat next to the pile of ashes from that urn than next to some of the stinking ass people that are allowed into public restraints...(workers and customers)

 

[CZroe]

Okay, Okay, Alright. I did some digging

Here is the link to the
http://www.cfb.ca.gov/licensing/crd_booklet.pdf

California Cremated Remains Disposers Booklet: Complying With California Law

I am linking this because it is a formal copy for California and in it states On page 9 of 12 the following



Now it clearly states the remains are to be stored at the dwelling owned by the owner. No where does it state that the person has the right or should be able to carry the remains in a public place even if they are in a jar.

The OP list Kansas as his location and while I did not find an official law pdf, I did come across the Kansas Government Mortuary Website.

http://www.kansas.gov/ksbma/facts.html#anchor328739

And on the website it states something very similar to California law



No where does it state a person has the right to carry remains around in a public establishment. It states you can keep them at home, a cemetary, or religous place. You can't even scatter them just anywhere.

So based on these laws I think it would be safe to say, very safe to conclude that it probably violates local health and safety laws to have an urn even sealed in a public restaurant.

And apologies are accepted for the rude and harsh behavior.

Things that are not explicitly defined as legal or illegal are LEGAL until they are explicitly addressed. THAT'S THE WAY THE LAW WORKS. Anything else sets a fundamentally bad precedent for government power.

You are the SECOND idiot I've had to admonish for this here in the last week. What is happening to this country?!

Well it explicity states where cremated remains can be kept.

Public restaurant not found. So you should make that 3 idiots this week, just look in a mirror for the 3rd.

It's official: You're retarded.

The wording of the law is such that no one may tell me that I CAN'T keep them in my residence. THAT'S IT. No reading into it to infer what it does not say about having them elsewhere. Got it?

Like I said, if it does not address the other places SPECIFICALLY then it cannot be illegal. How do you know? Because you can simply ask yourself "What law would it be breaking?" and determine that there is no law. Got it? Having no law against it doesn't make it "gray-area." It makes it precisely as legal as anything else.

 

[JulesMaximus]

It's official: You're retarded.

The wording of the law is such that no one may tell me that I CAN'T keep them in my residence. THAT'S IT. No reading into it to infer what it does not say about having them elsewhere. Got it?

Like I said, if it does not address the other places SPECIFICALLY then it cannot be illegal. How do you know? Because you can simply ask yourself "What law would it be breaking?" and determine that there is not law. Got it? Having no law against it doesn't make it "gray-area." It makes it precisely as legal as anything else.

That booklet just covers the disposal of cremated remains and they have 12 pages devoted to the scattering or disposing of cremated remains, where you can dispose of them, how you can dispose of them, what forms you must file etc. Do you really think if that much thought was devoted to disposing of simple ashes that it would be appropriate to take them into a restaurant?

§ 103055. (a) If the certificate of death is properly executed and complete, the local registrar of births and deaths shall issue a permit for disposition, that in all cases, shall specify any one of the following:
(1)
The name of the cemetery where the remains shall be interred.
(2)
Burial at sea as provided in Section 7117.
(3)
The address or description of the place where remains shall be buried or scattered.
(4)
The address of the location where the cremated remains will be kept, as provided in Section 7054.6, under the conditions the state registrar may approve, including, but not limited to, conditions in keeping with public sensibilities, applicable laws, and reasonable assurances that the disposition will be carried out in accordance with the prescribed conditions and will not constitute a private or public nuisance.
(b)
Notwithstanding any other provisions of this part relative to issuance of a permit for disposition, whenever the death occurred from a disease declared by the state department to be infectious, contagious, or communicable and dangerous to the public health, no permit for the disposition of the body shall be issued by the local registrar, except under those conditions as may be prescribed by the state department and local health officers.

Hmm, "conditions in keeping with public sensibilities." I wonder if this scenario might fall under that statement. I suspect it would.

Regardless, it obviously offended the sensibilities of the OP and the restaurant manager agreed so out the door they went. I have no problem with what the OP did or what the restaurant manager did.

 

[Portly Penguin]

I think the OP and his wife were completely within their rights. It is the duty of any service establishment to make sure that their customers are comfortable, and eject anyone who compromises this responsibility. Why, just the other day my wife and I were eating at a Waffle House, and there was a group of Muslims eating at a nearby table. I was a little nervous at first, but they didn't seem to be harming anyone. At one point they began to chant loudly, which I guess was some kind of prayer. We both learned from several Fox News reports that Muslims usually perform some sort of prayer ceremony before engaging in suicide bombings, so we were quite alarmed to say the least.

My wife suggested leaving, but I decided I was sick of being being pushed around in my own damn country, so I called over the manager and let him know that they would be losing our business if they didn't do anything about this disturbance. He tried to assure me that they were harmless, but I knew better. So my wife and I walked out without paying. Fortunately, we had already finished our waffles. Clearly the restaurant manager in the OP knew a little bit more about how to treat his customers, and I applaud him for that.

 

[moshquerade]

first

 

[JulesMaximus]

I think the OP and his wife were completely within their rights. It is the duty of any service establishment to make sure that their customers are comfortable, and eject anyone who compromises this responsibility. Why, just the other day my wife and I were eating at a Waffle House, and there was a group of Muslims eating at a nearby table. I was a little nervous at first, but they didn't seem to be harming anyone. At one point they began to chant loudly, which I guess was some kind of prayer. We both learned from several Fox News reports that Muslims usually perform some sort of prayer ceremony before engaging in suicide bombings, so we were quite alarmed to say the least.

My wife suggested leaving, but I decided I was sick of being being pushed around in my own damn country, so I called over the manager and let him know that they would be losing our business if they didn't do anything about this disturbance. He tried to assure me that they were harmless, but I knew better. So my wife and I walked out without paying. Fortunately, we had already finished our waffles. Clearly the restaurant manager in the OP knew a little bit more about how to treat his customers, and I applaud him for that.

And people say I'm trolling...

Okay, which one of you created a second account and posted this?

 

[FDF12389]

I think the OP and his wife were completely within their rights. It is the duty of any service establishment to make sure that their customers are comfortable, and eject anyone who compromises this responsibility. Why, just the other day my wife and I were eating at a Waffle House, and there was a group of Muslims eating at a nearby table. I was a little nervous at first, but they didn't seem to be harming anyone. At one point they began to chant loudly, which I guess was some kind of prayer. We both learned from several Fox News reports that Muslims usually perform some sort of prayer ceremony before engaging in suicide bombings, so we were quite alarmed to say the least.

My wife suggested leaving, but I decided I was sick of being being pushed around in my own damn country, so I called over the manager and let him know that they would be losing our business if they didn't do anything about this disturbance. He tried to assure me that they were harmless, but I knew better. So my wife and I walked out without paying. Fortunately, we had already finished our waffles. Clearly the restaurant manager in the OP knew a little bit more about how to treat his customers, and I applaud him for that.

Who iz u

 

[waggy]

Aren't most cremated remains returned to you in a sealed plastic bag at which point you can purchase and place the bag in the urn?

Either way, OP is a douche bag. They weren't passing it around and sprinkling ashes around, it was hurting absolutely nothing and no one. I'd rather eat next to the pile of ashes from that urn than next to some of the stinking ass people that are allowed into public restraints...(workers and customers)

yes they are. at least the last few people i know who got them. they were in a sealed bag.

 

[zinfamous]

at first I thought OP's wife created an account, but I don't know...

 

[WelshBloke]

I think the OP and his wife were completely within their rights. It is the duty of any service establishment to make sure that their customers are comfortable, and eject anyone who compromises this responsibility. Why, just the other day my wife and I were eating at a Waffle House, and there was a group of Muslims eating at a nearby table. I was a little nervous at first, but they didn't seem to be harming anyone. At one point they began to chant loudly, which I guess was some kind of prayer. We both learned from several Fox News reports that Muslims usually perform some sort of prayer ceremony before engaging in suicide bombings, so we were quite alarmed to say the least.

My wife suggested leaving, but I decided I was sick of being being pushed around in my own damn country, so I called over the manager and let him know that they would be losing our business if they didn't do anything about this disturbance. He tried to assure me that they were harmless, but I knew better. So my wife and I walked out without paying. Fortunately, we had already finished our waffles. Clearly the restaurant manager in the OP knew a little bit more about how to treat his customers, and I applaud him for that.

 

[blackdogdeek]

no poll?

 

[Dubb]

interesting, if odd and often childish, discussion. Obviously no technical or health issue with it, but I think death is one of those things that people handle differently and it's generally a good idea to be accommodating when possible. Not sure which side that applies to.

Side note: I've worked on the design for a crematory. Fascinating process - 2" gas lines, 2 million BTU, about 3 hours leaves about 3 lbs. Crematories are usually kind of dusty - the air feels a tad chalky - and you can guess where that comes from. While the processing stations have filters and dust control measures they can't get everything. I remember asking if the dust posed any health risk (I was thinking due to particulate size) and was told no.

The rooms are publicly accessible. In some religions the oldest child is required to start the fire, so they're brought into the room to push the button.

Also- metal plates, bone screws, hip joints, etc. are pulled from the ash and go to a recycler. Every crematory I've been to has a bucket full of metal parts next to the processor. Probably the oddest sight I saw while on that project.

 

[Howard]

That booklet just covers the disposal of creamated remains

Dear God, no.

 

[lxskllr]

Dear God, no.

Where did you think non-dairy creamer came from?

 

[AMDZen]

That was a douche move on you and your wife's part, you just had to fuck things up for those folks.

If I were the manager I would've told you uptight assholes to leave.

Yep!

 

[JulesMaximus]

Dear God, no.

Haha...my bad.

 

[zinfamous]

Where did you think non-dairy creamer came from?

Soilent Dairy Creamer!

this is worse than Soilent Cow Pies!

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