Cremation incident in restaurant – Over Reacted?

[dwell]

If you're eating at Applebees, an urn of cremated ashes is the least of the health codes you should worry are being violated.

 

[moshquerade]

If you're eating at Applebees, an urn of cremated ashes is the least of the health codes you should worry are being violated.

lol :thumbsup:

 

[Capt Caveman]

I wouldn't have minded, nor would I have thought it to be "ghoulish." But if it actually is a health code violation, then I definitely don't fault the restaurant for asking them to leave.

Would I have mentioned it to a manager, though? No.

No it wasn't, the manager was stupid enough to believe the OP.

 

[MotionMan]

We went last night to Applebee’s restaurant. In the booth next to us there was a group of 4 people. They were talking about the urn they brought into the restaurant with them sitting on the table, which was the remains of their mother. My wife and I got quiet and started listening carefully after we overheard that. Seems their mother just died and they were taking her, in the urn to some of her favorite places before the internment. My wife and I found the idea of a cremated body in the next booth both ghoulish and a violation of the health code. We called the manager over and asked him to enquire about it. He did, and they were very forthright and said exactly what we overheard that they were taking their cremated mother who recently died out to some of her favorite places. The manager told them that they could not bring cremated ashes into an eating establishment as it violates health code rules. The group left, with the urn. We met another couple for dinner and debated most the night about this issue. Does anyone else have an issue with eating next to a dead body in an urn or do people regularly take their cremated ashes with them to restaurants?

OP was in the wrong for a) eavesdropping and b) overreacting. OP should have minded his own business on both counts.

The manager was in the right if it actually is a health code violation. If true, the manager had a duty to have the item removed because the restaurant could be cited and/or closed. Once the manager was notified of the situation, he really had no choice (again, if it is an actual code violation).

In the end, this was a lose-lose-lose proposition thanks to OPs overreaction.

MotionMan

 

[Perknose]

LOL. Go work at a funeral home for a while in the cremation room, then tell me how safe it is if you manage to survive for more than one day.

Kiss my ash.

How have YOU managed to survive in the adult world? You seem too stupid to breathe.

 

[NetWareHead]

LOL. I think he's trolling at this point. Probably in an effort cover up his stupidity.

This...no one can possibly be this moronic

 

[Capt Caveman]

Another restaurant manager failure.

I now see why so many of you can't get past the bus boying and dish washing part of your careers.

The manager could have also asked them to take dear dead mommy out to the car, too, and if they refused, see ya. But we assume this option wasn't given to them.

Aren't you the same dumbass that lives in a mobile home but also owns and praises Monster Cable?

 

[wischeez]

Kiss my ash.

How have YOU managed to survive in the adult world? You seem too stupid to breathe.

:awe: :thumbsup:

 

[SlickSnake]

As opposed to the people that work there for decades with no health problems whatsoever?

I have seen the cremation process at several large funeral homes before myself, which I seriously doubt any of you ever have.

When you see all the safety precautions they take while handling the cremated remains, such as full body aprons, gloves, surgical style mouth and nose protection or breathing masks and even eye protection, you would understand how utterly stupid these posters are to think these remains are somehow completely inert and harmless. They are not. And you certainly don't want to be regularly breathing it or covered in it without protection of some sort. And you internet geniuses are completely nuts if you think otherwise.

And I have even been called before after they shut down a supermarket where some careless woman spilled some relative on the floor by the cash registers and the health department considered it a biohazard and we were called to come clean the shit up. Because that's the kind of stuff fire departments do, like it or not.

I also have heard about all kinds of other stuff closed down and hazmatted after people accidentally or on purpose spilled ashes, even the Pirates of the Caribbean ride was shut down before because someone wanted to take them on one last ride and it ended up covering the riders and the cars and the ride.

I'm done here. Stupid is stupid and having <redacted> pile on that should be setting the bar higher just for shits and giggles does not make it any less stupid.

 

[Bignate603]

This...no one can possibly be this moronic

Sadly, that's not true. I've run into plenty of people that are so stupid that it's amazing they don't die because they forget to breathe.

They also tend to be the people that are convinced that they're more intelligent than everyone else, but apparently that's quite common. Apparently, someone can be stupid enough that they're incapable of realizing how stupid they are.

 

[Lifted]

How did we go from a covered urn to this?

you certainly don't want to be regularly breathing it or covered in it without protection of some sort. And you internet geniuses are completely nuts if you think otherwise.

You should make sure you put on one of these the next time you open your computer.

 

[MarkXIX]

I have seen the cremation process at several large funeral homes before myself, which I seriously doubt any of you ever have.

When you see all the safety precautions they take while handling the cremated remains, such as full body aprons, gloves, surgical style mouth and nose protection or breathing masks and even eye protection, you would understand how utterly stupid these posters are to think these remains are somehow completely inert and harmless. They are not. And you certainly don't want to be regularly breathing it or covered in it without protection of some sort. And you internet geniuses are completely nuts if you think otherwise.

First, of course they are essentially in hazmat suits, a DEAD BODY still is riddled with bacteria and viruses. Use some common fucking sense here for a second.

A body subjected to temperatures nearing 1,700 degrees Fahrenheit is about as sanitary as it can get. The pulverized ashes are sanitary for all intents and purposes. Your argument that there are large bone fragments left over is a bunch of bullshit. Anything inside those bones such as marrow would have been incinerated as well.

Prions? Please, that's what the high temperature is intended to do, destroy them.

 

[PottedMeat]

hahah i have the feeling i'm on an ignore list :awe:

 

[novasatori]

I found a picture of SlickSnake:

 

[lxskllr]

hahah i have the feeling i'm on an ignore list :awe:

I still see ya love ;^)

:^P

 

[RedCOMET]

Can the the thread title be changed? At the moment its a bit misleading, because it makes me think that somebody was almost cremated at a restaurant and not that grieving family brought ashes in an urn to a restaurant which then offended a nearby table.

 

[CZroe]

How does it violate any health code? Do you actually think you can catch a disease fromt the ashes? You can catch a disease from the other people at a restaraunt. Their clothes the carried in are infinitely more filthy than sterilized ashes. OMG! How dare they show up fully clothed?! What was the hostess thinking when she seated them?!

 

[TheVrolok]

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Could you please provide a single piece of evidence (aside from anecdotal statements) that cremated ashes are a biohazard? I've actually been looking for solid answer and from the bits I'm seeing, it seems that they are indeed, NOT a biohazard. If they were, wouldn't there be numerous copies of health codes/etc. indicating such?

As for the OP, I agree with the others, pretty bad move.

 

[Perknose]

Question #6: Do ashes have any sort of bacteria or other hazardous elements that can be harmful if handled directly?

Answer: No, ashes are, in fact, quite sanitary and do not present any sort of health hazard.

http://www.oahucemetery.org/cremation_faq.html

Are cremated remains harmful if handled?

No, cremated remains do not present any sort of health hazard.

http://www.chapmanmoser.com/cremation.htm

 

[lxskllr]

Could you please provide a single piece of evidence (aside from anecdotal statements) that cremated ashes are a biohazard? I've actually been looking for solid answer and from the bits I'm seeing, it seems that they are indeed, NOT a biohazard. If they were, wouldn't there be numerous copies of health codes/etc. indicating such?

As for the OP, I agree with the others, pretty bad move.

The worst thing you'll have is a possible concentration of heavy metals, but unless you make a habit of eating cremated people, it won't do long term damage.

 

[DrPizza]

A large portion of what you think is harmless ash is actually pulverized bone that has not fully been incinerated at all, such as teeth, skull and hip parts. They grind and crush the chunky bits that do not burn in the incinerator into a powder. So your stupid comment about eating it a spoon full for a free meal could end up giving you a possibly fatal disease, such as prion disease.

But if your stupid enough to eat it, you could be another youtube superstar, I'm sure.

If you're going to troll, attack people with personal insults, and pretend you're smarter than others, then the least you could do is spell "But if you're stupid enough..." correctly. Just sayin'.

 

[TheVrolok]

The worst thing you'll have is a possible concentration of heavy metals, but unless you make a habit of eating cremated people, it won't do long term damage.

That's what I was thinking, as well. I was under the impression that the typical cremation process involves the removal of mercury containing dental fillings, etc. prior to cremation for this very reason.

 

[Bignate603]

I have seen the cremation process at several large funeral homes before myself, which I seriously doubt any of you ever have.

When you see all the safety precautions they take while handling the cremated remains, such as full body aprons, gloves, surgical style mouth and nose protection or breathing masks and even eye protection, you would understand how utterly stupid these posters are to think these remains are somehow completely inert and harmless. They are not. And you certainly don't want to be regularly breathing it or covered in it without protection of some sort. And you internet geniuses are completely nuts if you think otherwise.

And I have even been called before after they shut down a supermarket where some careless woman spilled some relative on the floor by the cash registers and the health department considered it a biohazard and we were called to come clean the shit up. Because that's the kind of stuff fire departments do, like it or not.

I also have heard about all kinds of other stuff closed down and hazmatted after people accidentally or on purpose spilled ashes, even the Pirates of the Caribbean ride was shut down before because someone wanted to take them on one last ride and it ended up covering the riders and the cars and the ride.

I'm done here. Stupid is stupid and having mods pile on that should be setting the bar higher just for shits and giggles does not make it any less stupid.

1) A dead body CAN have things that makes it dangerous and it requires protective measures to avoid exposing yourself to diseases.
2) Long term effects of breathing ANY form of fine particulate causes disease. I know guys that do carpentry and wear a mask to avoid inhaling sawdust day after day. Is sawdust a biohazard too?
3) Of course they go nuts cleaning it up. Even if its safe, people don't want to touch a powdered up dead body. If somebody spills it of course they're going to stop and clean everything out very carefully. It would be a publicity nightmare for a business to have customers touching and sitting in somebody's ashes.

 

[pcgeek11]

If they were a Biohazard do you think the health department would allow them to freely pass the ashes along to the next of kin etc...

SlickSnake = StupidSnake...

 

[Squisher]

I went to a funeral and everyone was wearing HazMat suits.