Creationists grow increasingly desperate in feud with Neil deGrasse Tyson

[MasterOfUsers]

Don't misunderstand my position, while I am not a YEC, I do believe God created us and undoubtedly exists. I don't believe the world is young, I do believe in the miracles recorded in the Bible.

As far as God using evolution, I would say that's yet to been seen. For the present, I reject theistic evolution.

Evolution is true no matter what, it's a fact, the theory doesn't attempt to explain THAT it happens, merely HOW it happens. Evolution is like gravity, it's one of the very few scientific facts there are.

If you have a good education on the matter and you refuse to accept the facts of it as demonstrated to you then i cannot help but feel a bit sorry for you.

If you have a crappy education that made it about "belief" in a natural phenomena then... well i guess i feel a bit sorry for you then too.

I am sorry you are a creationist, society has failed in it's attempt to provide you with the help for mental problems where you replace fiction with fact OR failed you by not providing you with a good education.

 

[hal2kilo]

Stop begging to be bashed and we'll stop bashing. Until then enjoy the ride you create for yourself.

Succinct and to the point.:thumbsup:

 

[Retro Rob]

Evolution is true no matter what, it's a fact, the theory doesn't attempt to explain THAT it happens, merely HOW it happens. Evolution is like gravity, it's one of the very few scientific facts there are.

If you have a good education on the matter and you refuse to accept the facts of it as demonstrated to you then i cannot help but feel a bit sorry for you.

If you have a crappy education that made it about "belief" in a natural phenomena then... well i guess i feel a bit sorry for you then too.

I am sorry you are a creationist, society has failed in it's attempt to provide you with the help for mental problems where you replace fiction with fact OR failed you by not providing you with a good education.

Ahh, so you're not interested in debating rationally with someone who thinks differently than you do...you prefer to call everyone else stupid.

Ok, I guess.

 

[JEDIYoda]

That's a denial, moron. "It doesn't exist here."

your way out of your league. If I were you -- thank God I am not -- I would sit back take notes and learn something!!

 

[SlowSpyder]

Don't misunderstand my position, while I am not a YEC, I do believe God created us and undoubtedly exists. I don't believe the world is young, I do believe in the miracles recorded in the Bible.

As far as God using evolution, I would say that's yet to been seen. For the present, I reject theistic evolution.

Can I ask why you believe those miracles happened?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Ahh, so you're not interested in debating rationally with someone who thinks differently than you do...you prefer to call everyone else stupid.

There is no "debating rationally" with a person that denies the reality of evolution.

 

[Retro Rob]

There is no "debating rationally" with a person that denies the reality of evolution.

OK...

 

[alzan]

Evolution is true no matter what, it's a fact, the theory doesn't attempt to explain THAT it happens, merely HOW it happens. Evolution is like gravity, it's one of the very few scientific facts there are.

If you have a good education on the matter and you refuse to accept the facts of it as demonstrated to you then i cannot help but feel a bit sorry for you.

If you have a crappy education that made it about "belief" in a natural phenomena then... well i guess i feel a bit sorry for you then too.

I am sorry you are a creationist, society has failed in it's attempt to provide you with the help for mental problems where you replace fiction with fact OR failed you by not providing you with a good education.

Lighten up, Francis.

People participate in discussion forums to discuss.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Ahh, so you're not interested in debating rationally with someone who thinks differently than you do...you prefer to call everyone else stupid.

Ok, I guess.

Absolutely not about subjects such as "Is gravity a natural force or is god pushing us down" or the equivalent when it comes to the natural phenomena known as evolution.

What good would a discussion do? I'd lay down the knowledge of how evolution works and you'd go "nuh uh because god did it so neener nee ne nee nee" and after a bunch of insults we'd be done.

See, retarded people like Behe who are a lot smarter than you have already tried to falsify evolution and failed miserably (which doesn't stop creationists from still cheering for him) and much smarter people than me like Dawkins (i don't care for his ramblings on this whole new atheist crap but he is a brilliant biologist) or about 92380 biologists who are all more achieved than i am on this subject have argued the facts for 100 years without people like you accepting reality as being real so what use is there?

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Lighten up, Francis.

People participate in discussion forums to discuss.

I do realize that but i have no interest in discussing something like "does god lift the moon at night, teach the controversy".

It's just not productive, it's just a testament to a culture where anything anyone can come up with goes if you proclaim it's ok because religion.

 

[Retro Rob]

Absolutely not about subjects such as "Is gravity a natural force or is god pushing us down" or the equivalent when it comes to the natural phenomena known as evolution.

What good would a discussion do? I'd lay down the knowledge of how evolution works and you'd go "nuh uh because god did it so neener nee ne nee nee" and after a bunch of insults we'd be done.

See, retarded people like Behe who are a lot smarter than you have already tried to falsify evolution and failed miserably (which doesn't stop creationists from still cheering for him) and much smarter people than me like Dawkins (i don't care for his ramblings on this whole new atheist crap but he is a brilliant biologist) or about 92380 biologists who are all more achieved than i am on this subject have argued the facts for 100 years without people like you accepting reality as being real so what use is there?

Right, what use is there? Yet, you continue quoting me.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

... or about 92380 biologists who are all more achieved than i am on this subject have argued the facts for 100 years...

Well over 1000 Ph.D's named Steve have explicitly affirmed the following:

Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation's public schools.

 

[justoh]

You can conduct the exact same experiment using factory workers, school teachers, or financial advisors in the place of religious people and get the same results.

You know why? Well, because factory workers, school teachers, and financial advisors aren't scientists! How could that happen!

But the hilarious thing about these sort of posts is that somehow and somewhere along the lines, 21st century atheism thinks it can lay absolute claim to science, conveniently forgetting (rather, ignoring) that both Islam and Christianity gave massive contributions to the advancement of math and science, and religious people still do today.

Atheists were around back then, but you could probably count them on one hand. It had no hand in scientific advancement, showing that science is not inherently "atheistic", its more agnostic or in different to claims of God's existence.

My point in this? That there is no dichotomy between religion and science, but there is with Fundamentalism, which IS opposed to scientific advancement.

Religious people ARE scientists, and scientists ARE religious....there is no "you have religious people, and then you have scientists".

You're welcome, greenhorn!

That atheism laying claim to science thing doesn't make any sense. They're just science enthusiasts. Please try to understand that atheism simply denies the existence of gods. It has nothing to do with science, except insofar as science is the search for truth, taking nothing for granted, and usually attracts the sort of person that wouldn't be into stupid superstitious bullshit. Or call it a coincidence. That's the connection.

 

[Retro Rob]

That atheism laying claim to science thing doesn't make any sense. They're just science enthusiasts. Please try to understand that atheism simply denies the existence of gods. It has nothing to do with science, except insofar as science is the search for truth, taking nothing for granted, and usually attracts the sort of person that wouldn't be into stupid superstitious bullshit. Or call it a coincidence. That's the connection.

That comment stemmed from the post earlier that science is "atheistic". Science isn't built on the lack of belief in God, it's based on the physical world, and doesn't concern itself with God.

Even if God exists, science would still work, and work well.

 

[SlowSpyder]

That comment stemmed from the post earlier that science is "atheistic". Science isn't built on the lack of belief in God, it's based on the physical world, and doesn't concern itself with God.

Even if God exists, science would still work, and work well.

Do you believe the first woman was made from the rib of adam?

 

[shira]

The Catholic church has no beef with evolution.

So they eat only fish when discussing evolution?

 

[Retro Rob]

So they eat only fish when discussing evolution?

lol

 

[MasterOfUsers]

That atheism laying claim to science thing doesn't make any sense. They're just science enthusiasts. Please try to understand that atheism simply denies the existence of gods. It has nothing to do with science, except insofar as science is the search for truth, taking nothing for granted, and usually attracts the sort of person that wouldn't be into stupid superstitious bullshit. Or call it a coincidence. That's the connection.

I do not deny the existence of a god, i do just do not believe in one.

Coincidentally that is the definition of an atheist.

It will be real difficult to have a discussion if you are going to redefine words into meanings that do not fit at all.

Science is the study of the natural world, it is naturalism defined, it is thus opposed to supernaturalism and while it cannot deny it's existence that is only because it is impossible to do so since it cannot even be tested.

People have a lot of trouble with this but when reality and beliefs clash, reality should always win and if you are in a position where you don't know, researching the actual evidence helps more than reaffirming that they are false because god.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Well over 1000 Ph.D's named Steve have explicitly affirmed the following:

People named Steve know of the truth.

 

[justoh]

I do not deny the existence of a god, i do just do not believe in one.

Coincidentally that is the definition of an atheist.

It will be real difficult to have a discussion if you are going to redefine words into meanings that do not fit at all.
.

Atheists don't think there is a reasonable basis to think that gods exist, especially none likely to correspond to anything we've obviously invented about them, at which point you may as well deny their existence, unless, you know, you want to be a dick about it.

 

[SlowSpyder]

People named Steve know of the truth.

My name is Steve and I'm pretty sure I know the truth... ()

 

[Paul98]

Don't bother with Rob, he has specific beliefs about the bible that he knows to be true. His mind can not be changed no matter the evidence, since what he believes isn't based on evidence. It is based on the bible and what he believes it says, any evidence against that is automatically wrong.

Thus unless you think you can change his mind on what he believes the bible says don't bother with a rational argument.

 

[Retro Rob]

Thus unless you think you can change his mind on what he believes the bible says don't bother with a rational argument.

Why would an atheist "try to change my mind"? I didn't know you guys were in the business of converting people...

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Atheists don't think there is a reasonable basis to think that gods exist, especially none likely to correspond to anything we've obviously invented about them, at which point you may as well deny their existence, unless, you know, you want to be a dick about it.

Or, you know... you can just go by the fucking definition of the word which is not-theist.

It describes everything you are saying and anything else that is actually true for an atheist because that is what the word means.

I would say that a god probably does not exist, i won't go further than that because then i would make a positive statement and i would be required to provide evidence to support it.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Why would an atheist "try to change my mind"? I didn't know you guys were in the business of converting people...

Are you just trolling again, it seems so. But then again it seems that is ALL you do.

The answer to your question is no.