Creationist Ken Ham calls to end space program because aliens are going to hell anywa

[Retro Rob]

You could ask the exact same question about God, since he is allegedly everywhere.

Not really, but I don't believe God is "everywhere" anyway, so that's a moot point.

This is the problem with being unable to imagine a reality outside of the one you personally believe exists; you're incapable of having an actual discussion about the merits of your viewpoint because you are unwilling to accept that you might be wrong.

I am willing to be wrong, but I don't have a reason to believe I am wrong. No amount of science can adequately "test" the existence of God anyway, so its not even a question that science can empirically address.

I think it boils down to whether or not one has reason to believe in a god/God.

are you willing to accept that he (or they) might not?

"Accept" suggests that a god doesn't exists and I may as well accept that reality. I will need a reason to not believe, to be honest.

 

[zinfamous]

I never made a claim on the age of the Earth.

LOL -- there are so many things thought to be "false" as far as Biblical archaeology is concerned, only to be blown away by evidence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_in_biblical_archaeology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biblical_figures_identified_in_extra-biblical_sources

If anything, scientific findings has relegated Biblical denial to an ever-receding pocket of ignorance.

Huh?

none of your links pointed towards geologic evidence of a worldwide flood that could have wiped out all but ..6 or so? humans.

you responded to my claiming there is no evidence of a flood, by showing recovered stone tablets chiseled by humans, that recount some sparse details of battles, recipes, wedding happenings, etc.

I never said anything about certain historical claims in the Bible--I very clearly refuted the claims, from a scientific basis, of magic events. e.g, the flood.
lol-->That corollary you bolded had nothing to do with you claiming the age of the earth, it was just an expansion of the previous statement that I made. I very clearly said I don't know how old you think the earth is--that is the point. My claim is simply regarding the flood. I could ahve stopped at 2-10k, but I didn't know what you thought--which is why I said it. Point being: at any age range any creationist thinks the world to be, there is no evidence of a flood.

stay on point. stop deflecting.

 

[Retro Rob]

Huh?

none of your links pointed towards geologic evidence of a worldwide flood that could have wiped out all but ..6 or so? humans.

you responded to my claiming there is no evidence of a flood, by showing recovered stone tablets chiseled by humans, that recount some sparse details of battles, recipes, wedding happenings, etc.

I never said anything about certain historical claims in the Bible--I very clearly refuted the claims, from a scientific basis, of magic events.

My point is, just because they haven't "found" evidence doesn't mean that there isn't any, or that the story is "false".

I provided those links to show the ridiculousness of your thinking. At one point in time before we started digging, there was no evidence of anything in the Bible, so it was wholly "false".

Now, that isn't the case. Sure, I submit that everything isn't proven, and I even acknowledge that some thing probably won't even be proven, but its quite silly to call something "false" for that reason.

 

[Exophase]

I normally ask why haven't we been contacted by "superior lifeforms" if they are allegedly abundant in the Universe.

Nothing but excuses as answers...

Do you ask the same question about gods?

 

[werepossum]

This is good news. If aliens can not be saved then it precludes embarrassing attempts to save them.

lol You'd think, but no.

I will laugh if we find other humans in the universe. Then find out we were a result of some pod that crash landed here thousands of years ago. Even better if we find out Adam and Eve were their version of Bonnie and Clyde. A couple of criminals running from their space police.

Don't know that I would laugh if we discover a larger, more technically advanced group of stupid, violent beings. . .

Personally I'm hoping for hot horny blue Amazons.

I do agree with Ham on one point that the search for intelligent life elsewhere does have bigger implications, namely, to challenge and falsify contemporary claims that the earth is "designed" for life.

If it can be showed life can evolve elsewhere, that would rule out special creation, which is really the whole point of this, IMO, because the Bible makes scientific claims on this topic.

Wait - are you claiming that G-d is only good for one long week of work in all eternity?

That would put G-d somewhere below Maynard G. Krebs.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

If extraterrestrial life forms contact us looking for intelligent life they certainly won't end up with evangelists or their followers. Oh, and self-censoring 'God' is still dumb, seeing that it's a title rather than a name, and I don't see people censoring 'L-rd', 'S-vior' or 'F---er'.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Religion, it's why we can't have nice things. An oddly can't get over ourselves either.

 

[Iron Woode]

Ken Ham should stick to crocoducks and bananas.

None of the supernatural events written in the Bible ever happened. They are just fantasies of ancient people; retelling stories about things they couldn't understand and needed an explanation for.

 

[ch33zw1z]

If extraterrestrial life forms contact us looking for intelligent life they certainly won't end up with evangelists or their followers.

I submit it's why intelligent life has stayed away.

 

[networkman]

It should go without saying that Ken Ham does NOT speak for all Creationists nor all Christians (they can be different groups), and he certainly doesn't speak for me.

Obviously, there has been a great wealth of technology and science to come out of the space program, both ours(U.S.) and from other countries. As for aliens going to hell, that's a case where "do not judge" is applicable; even if aliens do exist, though I personally do not believe so, it would be completely within God's realm to judge their actions.

Ken Ham is wrong on so many levels here. Yes, Adam sinned and brought about corruption to physical creation, but Lucifer (aka the devil) also rebelled against God beforehand and was cast out of heaven before Adam was even created. That's why in the end God will be creating a new heaven and a new earth.

Enough with the spiritual/metaphysical. He's wrong and just happens to be a Creationist and supposedly a Christian. Next topic.

NOTE: The article's author in the OP's post is also being a little deceptive - Ken Ham railed against the SETI (Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) program and others like it, NOT the entire space program as the article makes it out to be.

Next topic.

 

[Babbles]

A while back I cruised through Ken Ham's Facebook page, and man that is a bastion of clueless crazies.

 

[jhbball]

Do you ask the same question about gods?

haha, of course he didn't. He was brainwashed long ago.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

My point is, just because they haven't "found" evidence doesn't mean that there isn't any, or that the story is "false".

I provided those links to show the ridiculousness of your thinking. At one point in time before we started digging, there was no evidence of anything in the Bible, so it was wholly "false".

Now, that isn't the case. Sure, I submit that everything isn't proven, and I even acknowledge that some thing probably won't even be proven, but its quite silly to call something "false" for that reason.

I caught a pink plaid crocodile on a 4 foot fishing pole while I was fishing in Alaska last week.

Now, I'm not gonna show you evidence of that crocodile, but that doesn't mean that there isn't any. You'd be quite silly to call my claim false for that reason.

So tell me how impressed you are to hear about my catch.

 

[alzan]

I caught a pink plaid crocodile on a 4 foot fishing pole while I was fishing in Alaska last week.

Now, I'm not gonna show you evidence of that crocodile, but that doesn't mean that there isn't any. You'd be quite silly to call my claim false for that reason.

So tell me how impressed you are to hear about my catch.

Dang, I've been wanting to catch one those my whole life. What'd you use for bait?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Dang, I've been wanting to catch one those my whole life. What'd you use for bait?

A solved Rubik's cube. Gotta be solved, tho. The plaid crocs can tell.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

On second thought, I can show evidence to support the existence of the trophy plaid crocodile I caught. I can upload scans of my plane tickets to and from Alaska, my hotel receipts from Anchorage, the rental car receipts, my meal receipts from restaurants around Anchorage... in fact it really seems the evidence is stacking up more and more.

If anything, this accumulating evidence has relegated Alaskan plaid crocodile denial to an ever-receding pocket of ignorance.

 

[Retro Rob]

I caught a pink plaid crocodile on a 4 foot fishing pole while I was fishing in Alaska last week.

You still got it or you threw it back?

So tell me how impressed you are to hear about my catch.

1) You're still alive, so you're in a position to prove your claim -- Bible writers are not.

2) Since it was just a week ago, chances are that the crock is still there, if you indeed threw it back.

3) If you still have it, you're in a position to show it.

4) If you refuse to show it, then we can take is as you're lying since such a catch can be proven/disproven right NOW.

 

[Retro Rob]

On second thought, I can show evidence to support the existence of the trophy plaid crocodile I caught. I can upload scans of my plane tickets to and from Alaska, my hotel receipts from Anchorage, the rental car receipts, my meal receipts from restaurants around Anchorage... in fact it really seems the evidence is stacking up more and more.

If anything, this accumulating evidence has relegated Alaskan plaid crocodile denial to an ever-receding pocket of ignorance.

Well, can you name the lake, the bait you used, how long ago it was, and the time of day?

Surely, that crock reproduced offspring, and given the short passage of time since your visit, I'm bound to catch one myself.

Tell me, where and when did you catch this?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You still got it or you threw it back?

I can't remember.

1) You're still alive, so you're in a position to prove your claim -- Bible writers are not.

You seem to imply that this is a reason to grant greater credulity to the claims of biblical authors. That is an extraordinarily peculiar epistemological connection to make.

2) Since it was just a week ago, chances are that the crock is still there, if you indeed threw it back.

You don't know much about the migratory habits of the Alaskan plaid crocodile, it's clear.

3) If you still have it, you're in a position to show it.

What if I accidentally painted it with invisibility paint?

4) If you refuse to show it, then we can take is as you're lying since such a catch can be proven/disproven right NOW.

But if I died in the next 5 seconds my claims would somehow become as credible as those of dead bible authors?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Well, can you name the lake, the bait you used, how long ago it was, and the time of day?

Surely, that crock reproduced offspring, and given the short passage of time since your visit, I'm bound to catch one myself.

Tell me, where and when did you catch this?

No. You don't know much about sport fishermen, either. You never give away your secret fishing holes. Duh.

 

[02ranger]

“Life did not evolve but was specially created by God, as Genesis clearly teaches. Christians certainly shouldn’t expect alien life to be cropping up across the universe,” he continued. “Now the Bible doesn’t say whether there is or is not animal or plant life in outer space. I certainly suspect not.”

I might be wrong, but isn't this a little contradictory? He says life was specially created by God, so we shouldn't expect to find life on other planets. Then he says right after that he doesn't know if there's plant or animal life on other planets, because the Bible doesn't say either way. Wouldn't that same argument apply to intelligent life? So which is it? According to the Bible God made ALL life, not just intelligent life, so his argument should apply to all living creatures.

I may be misunderstanding part of this, because I just can't believe somebody sat down and seriously wrote this out. I half expected to see the source listed as The Onion..........

 

[Retro Rob]

I can't remember.

Well, then how I can I trust your memory as to the type of crock you caught, or if it wasn't simply a large fish?

You seem to imply that this is a reason to grant greater credulity to the claims of biblical authors. That is an extraordinarily peculiar epistemological connection to make.

I'm simply saying that you can be cross-examined...Bible writers clearly cannot be.

You don't know much about the migratory habits of the Alaskan plaid crocodile, it's clear.

I sure don't, so why not explain them to me so that I can go find this crock you caught.

What if I accidentally painted it with invisibility paint?

There is a such thing? When? Where?

But if I died in the next 5 seconds my claims would somehow become as credible as those of dead bible authors?

You're not dead, so that point is moot.

 

[Retro Rob]

No. You don't know much about sport fishermen, either. You never give away your secret fishing holes. Duh.

OK.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Just to recap:

Evidence the Alaskan plaid crocodile story is true:
Anchorage is a real place. Still exists to this day.
Flight itinerary
Boarding pass
Extra checked luggage receipt
Rental car receipt
Hotel receipt
Meal receipts
(Ever growing)

Evidence the plaid crocodile story is false:
Nothing.

Why isn't American Angler blowing up my inbox already??

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So have you converted enough people to atheism? If not, how bad does it chap your ass that you haven't?