Crazy UHP Tasers speeder

[Penth]

Originally posted by: bctbct
I hate tasers and I think they should be banned or that officers should be charged with criminals offenses as well as being fired when they are misused.

That said in this case I think the officer saw that the guy was being completely argumenative, non complaint, and soon to esculate.

I only watched the tape once and somehow missed where others are saying that he lied to the other cop.

I also fail to see the anger from the cop like seen in many other cases, IMO that would indicate to me that this cop was not on a power trip.

I dont understand my feelings on this since I am so adamant about the use of tasers, I think this guy was a douche and maybe I enjoyed him getting zapped.

I think you should watch the video again to catch where the cop is lying. Maybe review the end where he is telling the other cop what happened and then watch the video again to see what really happened.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
Officer was a dick, I hope he gets sued, loses his home and all of his money to this guy, then the guy burns it and watches while eating popcorn on the lawn. I respect police officers, they have a tough job, BUT just because you have a tough job does NOT mean you are god and have the right to taser anyone you feel like

Grow up. The officer didn't destroy the guy's life he used a damn taser... the guy was up walking around 30 seconds later (and still not quite obeying orders). For you to say he used a taser just because he wanted to is ignorant, he had a reason to use the taser and as I previously mentioned, a taser doesn't do any good as a belt decoration. If he's not going to use it in the situation it's designed for they might as well just carry around plastic toys. Having his house burnt down and his life ruined is not equatable to taking a guy down just long enough to cuff him.

The only thing the driver deserves is a second 15 minutes of fame and a pardon, if that. He's hardly a martyr.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Injury


The cop SHOULD have made him aware of this before getting him out of the car, and yes, he SHOULD have been more clear in the reason he was arresting him, but there he DOES say exactly why he's doing it at a point in the video. Whether the guy didn't hear him, didn't understand it, or didn't think it was fair does not matter. He refused to obey a lawful order. Probably the SOLE reason why he won't get charged with resisting arrest (or have the charges dropped) is because this video is on Youtube and all the people on the internet with cop-hating attitudes are crying foul.

I have said that the officers actions where justified once it reached the point it did but after watching that video do you really think the kid should be charged with resisting?

The cop might not have broken any rules but that is exactly what we DON'T want in an officer of the law. Can you imagine an officer like that responding to a domestic disturbance call and elevating an already elevated situation? Not only that, but society in general shouldn't have to deal with an officer like that. When the person that was arrested was the rationale person in the situation, something is wrong.

I don't think this is a "Taser abuse so they should be banned" issue.
I don't think this is an issue of a cop not legally justified in using a Taser.

I DO think this is an issue of a person who does not have the correct mentality to be an officer of the law, especially if he has a history of this.

And I do not have a "cop-hating" attitude. I like the police. I know most of the cops that patrol my area. I had a lot of their roofs fixed for free and moved them to the front of extremely long lines (read:months) after Katrina. I had a lot of respect for cops before Katrina, but when you go through a situation like Katrina where you can't call the cops and society basically breaks down you have a whole new respect for the service that the police actually provide.

I see your point, but put in situation any of us would probably find it hard to try and be patient with the guy and keep a cool head while getting the job done and ensuring your own safety. It's one of the many situations where hindsight is 20/20... he can look back and say "Okay, maybe I should have been more clear to the driver about what signing the ticket means." but at the same time, the driver made just as many (if not more) mistakes that escalated the situation.

The question is, what would some of you people do in the situation? What if, even after explaining that not signing = arrest, the driver still would not comply? I mean, when the guy saw that the cop had drawn his taser and had it pointed at him, what could he have been expecting? What if there wasn't a taser used. What if the officer pushed him up against the car and cuffed him safely? Would he still be a hot-headed cop?

 

[The Yeti]

Originally posted by: pulsedrive

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: pulsedrive

Originally posted by: manowar821
I don't think the civ was being unreasonable, he was acting quite casual about it. He pointed down the road and asked if they could go see if there was as sign stating the posted speed where he had claimed he was speeding, and then the cop pulled out the lazy-gun. That look on the civs face is exactly the same look I would've given him, along with the "what the hell is your problem?" comment. This cop is a dick, though-and-through. I bet the guy was right all along, even. I wouldn't bet money on it, but I think he was being VERY reasonable. Why the hell do cops have to be like robots with everyone? Why can they not discuss the issue on-site, and figure out if the accused is truly at fault? Kind of ridiculous if you ask me.

See and that is JUST the kind of comment I would expect from someone who has NEVER been a cop, or known one personally.

Also, I would like to add an: ARE YOU FREAKIN BLIND!!?? The driver was fiddling with something in his right pants pocket and acting like a total ass hat. He may have had absolutely NOTHING in that pocket, but when you are dealing with cops, you do NOT put your hands in your pockets with telling them why or being asked.

just because we are nto cops does not mean we can't say we think he was wrong.

the cop was wrong. but so was the driver. both were idiots.

Wrong is a very subjective term in this situation. Did he do things EXACTLY the way I would in his situation, no, but then again that very well may have gotten me shot or stabbed. As a cop you have no way of knowing what he is fucking around with in his pants. Now the cop should have told him to get his fracking hands out of his pants before tasering him, but then again the asshat of a driver should have never had them there to begin with, not to mention was being completely asinine in how he was dealing with this cop. You don't take that kind of crap up with the cop while he has you on the side of the road. You take pictures, etc, and then deal with it in court.

Was there fault on both sides? Yes. However the civilian is the one who 1. was speeding and broke the law. 2. didn't handle the situation well in the least. You don't just start walking around all willy nilly when the cop is giving you instructions.

That cop's first priority is to keep himself safe, and the public safe second. I know that sounds backwards, but if he gets shot, he can't protect anyone.

Cop ARE civilians. It seriously irks me every time I hear cops call citizens civilians. Sorry I had to point that out, but it?s a really big pet peeve of mine. Anyways, both are at fault for the escalation. The driver was acting very immature and the cop handled that like he was very inexperienced.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Savij
The officer was a dick, but the guy really shouldn't have walked away like that. Both people fail.

I am thinking he was trying to rightfully try and save his ass. I wish the sound quality was better to hear the first few minutes.

Cop was a fking asshat and should never be allowed in a position of authority again.

I have had some bad run-ins with the police, worst being with my then financee as we went to palm beach CitiBank. Cop was following us a while right on my ass...I had no idea WTF his problem was. We pull in to the bank and he pulls behind us ... still nothing. Once we get to the door of the bank he yells over his loudspeaker to get back in the car and keep our hand visible or he'd be forced to basically shoot us.

My wife was in tears, I was hoping I could take one for the team and profit. Cop was fired shortly after. I had complained mostly because my ticket only had a scribbled statute number I could read and no envelope with an address to mail/pay the fine.

The commanding officer was interested in hearing my story.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: JLee

While I don't necessarily agree with how the officer handled the situation, I do not believe the other individual was rational. He was constantly arguing with the officer and displaying an obvious lack of knowledge about the situation in general ('you have to read me my rights before you arrest me', etc).

Are you kidding? The police officer was dealing with a person who was resisting arrest. Who gives a damn if the kid knew the law or not the fact is if a cop can not handle a civilian arguing over a speeding ticket without forcing a situation that ends in the kid getting taserd and arrested then he is in the wrong line of work. Sure, by the book he might be able to handle it that way but do you seriously want a cop that responds to YOUR situation to act like that?

Fixed.

I fail to understand how the officer 'forced' this situation. Last I checked, we couldn't magically make people comply by simply by telling them to.

Umm, how about this.

<cop uses stern voice> Signing this ticket is not an admission of guilt, no I will not go back and look at that sign sir, signing the ticket is only promising that you will show up in court where you can then fight the ticket.

<cop uses even sterner voice> Sir, I will NOT go back and look for that sign. If you do not sign this ticket you will be placed under arrest. Do you want to go to jail sir? No, then sign the ticket right now or I will place you under arrest.


And I already said the officer was justified once it reached that point. BUT (and its a pretty bigass "but") if a cop can't deal with a dumb ass completely non-aggressive college kid arguing about a speeding ticket then he is simply in the wrong line of work. Yes, the officer should have explained the situation to the kid before placing him under arrest. Seriously, do you have any idea how much "cop work" went into getting that big bad college kid off the street? You gotta be kidding me.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Injury


The cop SHOULD have made him aware of this before getting him out of the car, and yes, he SHOULD have been more clear in the reason he was arresting him, but there he DOES say exactly why he's doing it at a point in the video. Whether the guy didn't hear him, didn't understand it, or didn't think it was fair does not matter. He refused to obey a lawful order. Probably the SOLE reason why he won't get charged with resisting arrest (or have the charges dropped) is because this video is on Youtube and all the people on the internet with cop-hating attitudes are crying foul.

I have said that the officers actions where justified once it reached the point it did but after watching that video do you really think the kid should be charged with resisting?

The cop might not have broken any rules but that is exactly what we DON'T want in an officer of the law. Can you imagine an officer like that responding to a domestic disturbance call and elevating an already elevated situation? Not only that, but society in general shouldn't have to deal with an officer like that. When the person that was arrested was the rationale person in the situation, something is wrong.

I don't think this is a "Taser abuse so they should be banned" issue.
I don't think this is an issue of a cop not legally justified in using a Taser.

I DO think this is an issue of a person who does not have the correct mentality to be an officer of the law, especially if he has a history of this.

And I do not have a "cop-hating" attitude. I like the police. I know most of the cops that patrol my area. I had a lot of their roofs fixed for free and moved them to the front of extremely long lines (read:months) after Katrina. I had a lot of respect for cops before Katrina, but when you go through a situation like Katrina where you can't call the cops and society basically breaks down you have a whole new respect for the service that the police actually provide.

I see your point, but put in situation any of us would probably find it hard to try and be patient with the guy and keep a cool head while getting the job done and ensuring your own safety. It's one of the many situations where hindsight is 20/20... he can look back and say "Okay, maybe I should have been more clear to the driver about what signing the ticket means." but at the same time, the driver made just as many (if not more) mistakes that escalated the situation.

I considered that and thats why I added in that the cops history should be reviewed and taken into account. If he has a history of this then he needs to find another line of work, if not then I, as a civilian (or sillyvan as ya'll sometimes call us), would be willing to give a cop a few "bad days". IMO, the situation went to hell when the cop told the kid to get out of the car which looked like a quick decision when the kid first refused to sign the ticket. I feel rather confident that I could have got the kid to sign the ticket and go on his way without escalating the situation and I don't have the training. I really think that the cop intended to throw the cuffs on the kid and then tell him "now do you want to go to jail or do you want to sign the ticket" and the situation just went wrong. Yes, the kid made a bunch of dumb mistakes but he honestly looked confused when he didn't immediately follow the cops orders (WTF is going on?! How did we get from arguing about a speeding ticket to a cop pointing a taser at me and arresting me?). I understand that at the time the cop doesn't have the luxury of hindsight, but the D.A. does. And in hindsight, do you really think the kid was intentionally "resisting arrest" in such a manor that he sould be charged with it?

Originally posted by: Injury
The question is, what would some of you people do in the situation? What if, even after explaining that not signing = arrest, the driver still would not comply? I mean, when the guy saw that the cop had drawn his taser and had it pointed at him, what could he have been expecting? What if there wasn't a taser used. What if the officer pushed him up against the car and cuffed him safely? Would he still be a hot-headed cop?

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See above. Explain the consequences in a rather stern voice. If the kid continues to argue, cut him off and give him his choices in a "no bullshit way" (Sir, sign the ticket now or I will place you under arrest right now. Do you want to go to jail? Then sign the ticket). If the cop would have done all of that first I wouldn't have any problem with his actions, but he didn't even make the kid aware of the consequences of not signing the ticket. And yes, I would still have the exact same position if the cop had used physical force instead of the taser. Personally, if I was in his situation and given the choice between being tackled on the concrete, put in some armlock while the cop rips my wrists behind my back to cuff me or the taser, gimme the taser any day. The taser is a non-issue to me. The issue is how fast the officer elevated the situation from someone arguing about a speeding ticket (imagine that, I bet cops almost never have to deal with that) to arresting the kid. Like I said, I would wager the officer was trying to scare the kid a bit and it just went bad but in my opinion he should have exhausted other options before even considering that tactic.

I am making an assumption that you are a police officer. If that is true, I have a question for you (and any other cops here). Would you want this guy responding to an already elevated situation with YOU?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: manowar821

What exactly do you do, Mr. "Cadet"?

he is a fresh cop from school...We had a discussion where he believes that when a cop is being fired at his accuracy should go way down...my argument is a cop should be conditioned to be able to handle that pressure and fighting that to get the assailant down as quickly as possible works a lot better than prolonging a firefight with bad shots.

Your accuracy shouldn't be that affected just because someone also has a gun.

The problem with this driver though was I believe he felt endanger/threatened by the cop. If I felt I was possibly going to get shot anyway I'd take my chances running.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: The Yeti

Cop ARE civilians. It seriously irks me every time I hear cops call citizens civilians. Sorry I had to point that out, but it?s a really big pet peeve of mine. Anyways, both are at fault for the escalation. The driver was acting very immature and the cop handled that like he was very inexperienced.

Cops are more classified as LEO's/LEO-civilians. Not exactly the same.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: manowar821

What exactly do you do, Mr. "Cadet"?

he is a fresh cop from school...We had a discussion where he believes that when a cop is being fired at his accuracy should go way down...my argument is a cop should be conditioned to be able to handle that pressure and fighting that to get the assailant down as quickly as possible works a lot better than prolonging a firefight with bad shots.

Your accuracy shouldn't be that affected just because someone also has a gun.

The problem with this driver though was I believe he felt endanger/threatened by the cop. If I felt I was possibly going to get shot anyway I'd take my chances running.

Dude, if you're going to post stuff from other threads and PMs, at least get it right.

With the way you twist words, you should consider being a lawyer.

 

[alphatarget1]

he tasered someone while he was on the side of the freeway with cars driving by it?

fvck tha police.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: manowar821

What exactly do you do, Mr. "Cadet"?

he is a fresh cop from school...We had a discussion where he believes that when a cop is being fired at his accuracy should go way down...my argument is a cop should be conditioned to be able to handle that pressure and fighting that to get the assailant down as quickly as possible works a lot better than prolonging a firefight with bad shots.

Your accuracy shouldn't be that affected just because someone also has a gun.

The problem with this driver though was I believe he felt endanger/threatened by the cop. If I felt I was possibly going to get shot anyway I'd take my chances running.

Dude, if you're going to post stuff from other threads and PMs, at least get it right.

With the way you twist words, you should consider being a lawyer.

We were talking about Columbine's highly accurate shots were just due to them firing at kids under desks. I countered and said not all of them were hiding and were moving while the shooters were moving.

You kept going on that when someone is shooting back at you, you can't expect to be accuarate.

That works for Joe Homeowner most of the time, not what an LEO should expect. If LEO / Military had a problem firing back when their 'target' was doing the same....it'd be a massacre.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
he tasered someone while he was on the side of the freeway with cars driving by it?

fvck tha police.

yeah on the shoulder none-the-less. It was an asshat move. I REALLY wish I could hear what the first part of the video had presented.

 

[Jeff7181]

I don't blame the cop. Not that I agree with him, I just don't blame him. I probably would have done the same thing in his position. This is what happens when you back someone into a corner, and when you have a pussy as a cop who feels backed into a corner in a situation like that.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I don't blame the cop. Not that I agree with him, I just don't blame him. I probably would have done the same thing in his position. This is what happens when you back someone into a corner, and when you have a pussy as a cop who feels backed into a corner in a situation like that.

Do you realize you just called yourself a pussy?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I don't blame the cop. Not that I agree with him, I just don't blame him. I probably would have done the same thing in his position. This is what happens when you back someone into a corner, and when you have a pussy as a cop who feels backed into a corner in a situation like that.

Do you realize you just called yourself a pussy?

QFT, but at least he was honest.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I don't blame the cop. Not that I agree with him, I just don't blame him. I probably would have done the same thing in his position. This is what happens when you back someone into a corner, and when you have a pussy as a cop who feels backed into a corner in a situation like that.

Do you realize you just called yourself a pussy?

Absolutely... that's why I'm not a cop.

 

[alphatarget1]

Let me remind you all who are supporting cops under any circumstances this: the police is there to "protect and serve". If cops tell you they don't profile they're lying to you. A college student with a chick probably wasn't much of a "threat". The guy was stupid for trying to argue with the cop (you do that in the courtroom, never question the authority in these types of situations), but the cop tasered him on the side of the freeway, with cars running by, without ANY REGARD WHATSOEVER to his safety. What if a car had blow-out and ran over the guy?

I haven't had many bad experiences with cops myself, and I do believe that a lot of them are good people. With that said, there are also a lot that have power trips. You're lying to yourself if you think police officers are infallible and they're always right.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Let me remind you all who are supporting cops under any circumstances this: the police is there to "protect and serve". If cops tell you they don't profile they're lying to you. A college student with a chick probably wasn't much of a "threat". The guy was stupid for trying to argue with the cop (you do that in the courtroom, never question the authority in these types of situations), but the cop tasered him on the side of the freeway, with cars running by, without ANY REGARD WHATSOEVER to his safety. What if a car had blow-out and ran over the guy?

I haven't had many bad experiences with cops myself, and I do believe that a lot of them are good people. With that said, there are also a lot that have power trips. You're lying to yourself if you think police officers are infallible and they're always right.

Their job is to protect and serve... why make their job more difficult by being an asshat and walking the fine line between upset citizen that poses no threat, and upset citizen with a knife who will slit your throat if you turn your back to him?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Let me remind you all who are supporting cops under any circumstances this: the police is there to "protect and serve". If cops tell you they don't profile they're lying to you. A college student with a chick probably wasn't much of a "threat". The guy was stupid for trying to argue with the cop (you do that in the courtroom, never question the authority in these types of situations), but the cop tasered him on the side of the freeway, with cars running by, without ANY REGARD WHATSOEVER to his safety. What if a car had blow-out and ran over the guy?

I haven't had many bad experiences with cops myself, and I do believe that a lot of them are good people. With that said, there are also a lot that have power trips. You're lying to yourself if you think police officers are infallible and they're always right.

Their job is to protect and serve... why make their job more difficult by being an asshat and walking the fine line between upset citizen that poses no threat, and upset citizen with a knife who will slit your throat if you turn your back to him?

Something both you guys should know: The police have no legal obligation to protect citizens. While it may occur, it is by no means required. The Supreme Court made this rather clear.

Their only true job is to enforce laws.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I don't blame the cop. Not that I agree with him, I just don't blame him. I probably would have done the same thing in his position. This is what happens when you back someone into a corner, and when you have a pussy as a cop who feels backed into a corner in a situation like that.

Do you realize you just called yourself a pussy?

Absolutely... that's why I'm not a cop.

:thumbsup: Civilians shouldn't be expected otherwise.

 

[Saint Nick]

I usually just sign the thing, pay it, and be done.

Of course its only happened to me once.

 

[Xylitol]

Well
I'm still going to say that 99% of cops are good ones

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
Well
I'm still going to say that 99% of cops are good ones

I whole heartedly agree. I am not even trying to argue that this cop is a bad guy. However, judging from his actions at a simple traffic stop I don't believe he has the proper mentality to be a good cop.

 

[Renob]

When you pull over someone for a traffic stop and the are acting like that much of an ass and then start to reach into their pockets

Sounds like a chicken-$hit cop to me with no balls, he WAY jumped the gun in that video, seems like many of these cops now are the guys that were picked on in high school and went for a job where they would have a chance to be in charge, now that being said there are many good cops out there, but like any other job there are many that suck and should not be the guy with the gun and the law on his side!