crappy gpu in next xbox?

[BallaTheFeared]

I remember when I hooked my PS3 up to a 1080p monitor and crapped bricks when I figured out that all the games are running at 640p.

Yeah same here, I actually went and bought another HDMI cable because I thought mine was broken.

After that I pulled in my keyboard/mouse as I was going to use it to replace my laptop at the time as my actual desktop.

Then I was met with an awful interfance that was clunky and slow, so I decided I'd put linux on it only to discover that they nerfed that making it impossible.

At which point I drove back to Best Buy, returned the PS3, then went to Video Games Ect and sold two brand new games for a massive loss

 

[cmdrdredd]

So much elitism. I have every console because I like games. There are many great titles that will never be on the PC. That alone is worth it.

Would I rather play God of War on my PC? Probably...but that's not an option.

So I deal with it because I enjoy gaming that much.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

So much elitism. I have every console because I like games. There are many great titles that will never be on the PC. That alone is worth it.

Would I rather play God of War on my PC? Probably...but that's not an option.

So I deal with it because I enjoy gaming that much.

Ya man I agree and I am even a PC elitists but that does not mean that I hate consoles even though I don't currently own one at this time but I do have emulators and ROMS on my PC etc. That Nintendo 3DS XL and Zelda: OOT 3D is calling me though I never did finish OOT the 3DS is probably the best platform ever to play it on even better than the PC IMHO. Consoles have there place for sure sports games, Adventure Plat formers, Mario, Zelda, ETC but the PC will always be King.

 

[crisium]

Physics alone is a good reason we are on the current gen. Look at the best of last gen: Xbox 1. It played Half-Life 2 at 640x480 on a setting comparable to low or combo of low/medium (not sure, just my guess). But it had frequent loading times and certainly could not have been done on the PS2 or Gamecube. Anything more advanced than source dictated the PS3 or 360.

This generation doesn't have as noticeable a bottleneck, but it is there. Battlefield 3 runs at settings comparable to low at 1280x720, and only has 24 players online compared to PC at 64. If the consoles had as many players as PC, then I'd say the 720p low doesn't truly matter... but quite simply the consoles can't handle it.

Alright, so a 6670 is an improvement over the X1900 / 7900 of the PS360. It can probably play Battlefield 3 with 64 players on medium or so comfortably. With console optimization, they can do better. But how long until we run into the next barrier?

I personally think it's sad that the Xbox 720 won't be able to run BF3 @ Ultra but my laptop can (mostly). If devs continue to push PC to some extent then the barrier for the Xbox 720 will be reached very soon.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

Physics alone is a good reason we are on the current gen. Look at the best of last gen: Xbox 1. It played Half-Life 2 at 640x480 on a setting comparable to low or combo of low/medium (not sure, just my guess). But it had frequent loading times and certainly could not have been done on the PS2 or Gamecube. Anything more advanced than source dictated the PS3 or 360.

This generation doesn't have as noticeable a bottleneck, but it is there. Battlefield 3 runs at settings comparable to low at 1280x720, and only has 24 players online compared to PC at 64. If the consoles had as many players as PC, then I'd say the 720p low doesn't truly matter... but quite simply the consoles can't handle it.

Alright, so a 6670 is an improvement over the X1900 / 7900 of the PS360. It can probably play Battlefield 3 with 64 players on medium or so comfortably. With console optimization, they can do better. But how long until we run into the next barrier?

I personally think it's sad that the Xbox 720 won't be able to run BF3 @ Ultra but my laptop can (mostly). If devs continue to push PC to some extent then the barrier for the Xbox 720 will be reached very soon.

Why would Elitist PC gamer care about being a Graphics Whore on the 360 console LOL. If you want MAX eye candy get a PC if you just want to play the dam game and enjoy it and don't mind a gamepad get a bloody console they are cheap and they work. Consoles are Entry Level good enough / PC is "Customizable" and or "Elite" ! Enough said.

A GPU is not about conserving electricity it is about playing games LOL.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

So much elitism. I have every console because I like games. There are many great titles that will never be on the PC. That alone is worth it.

Would I rather play God of War on my PC? Probably...but that's not an option.

So I deal with it because I enjoy gaming that much.

It's not really elitism for me, I played Pac Man when I was little at the local pizza place.

I played with my friends Atari, my aunt gave me a Sega of which I played 6 on 6 top to bottom football, I cried for two years after the NES came out for my mom to get me one each Christmas, I played my uncles Old Style Sega Genesis until my parents bought me one which took so long it was the new style, I worked for three weeks, quit and bought a PS1 when I was 15, I got a PS2 after joining the Army, I tried to get a PS3 when they came out but I was too busy, by the time I went to get a PS3 my $600 Laptop provided me with better image quality.

Maybe I'm too old for Madden Maddness anymore, missing those titles like Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger to lure me I guess. I played so many Maddens I lost track, Madden 92's ambulance will be something I never forget though.

"A player is injured" - Watch as an ambulance steamrolls half the team.

lol

Edit: But I think the biggest thing that consoles lack is the controls to make MMO style games possible, the controller is nice for most games, however replacing the keyboard and mouse in many of the titles I enjoy isn't even feasible. I have a Xbox 360 controller I use on my PC, I can wait for them to reverse engineer the 360/PS3 to play the games I missed, they aren't going anywhere.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

It's not really elitism for me, I played Pac Man when I was little at the local pizza place.

I played with my friends Atari, my aunt gave me a Sega of which I played 6 on 6 top to bottom football, I cried for two years after the NES came out for my mom to get me one each Christmas, I played my uncles Old Style Sega Genesis until my parents bought me one which took so long it was the new style, I worked for three weeks, quit and bought a PS1 when I was 15, I got a PS2 after joining the Army, I tried to get a PS3 when they came out but I was too busy, by the time I went to get a PS3 my $600 Laptop provided me with better image quality.

Maybe I'm too old for Madden Maddness anymore, missing those titles like Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger to lure me I guess. I played so many Maddens I lost track, Madden 92's ambulance will be something I never forget though.

"A player is injured" - Watch as an ambulance steamrolls half the team.

lol

Edit: But I think the biggest thing that consoles lack is the controls to make MMO style games possible, the controller is nice for most games, however replacing the keyboard and mouse in many of the titles I enjoy isn't even feasible. I have a Xbox 360 controller I use on my PC, I can wait for them to reverse engineer the 360/PS3 to play the games I missed, they aren't going anywhere.

A $600 laptop is trash for trying to run games on and would not offer better performance over a PS3 let alone IQ with a playable/smooth framerate LOL. You sold yourself way short choosing a $600 laptop as a gaming rig over a PS3.

A GPU is not about conserving electricity it is about playing games LOL.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

So much elitism. I have every console because I like games. There are many great titles that will never be on the PC. That alone is worth it.

I ended up buying a PS3 about a year ago now, I only got it because there was a handful of exclusives I really wanted to own, primarily Heavy Rain and Demon's Souls, since then I've bought about 15 games almost all of which are local coop, that's about the most value I can get from the consoles. I bough the PS3 new but 95% of my games are used, I don't like to spend more than about £5 on such low quality games.

 

[Blitzvogel]

So much elitism. I have every console because I like games. There are many great titles that will never be on the PC. That alone is worth it.

Would I rather play God of War on my PC? Probably...but that's not an option.

So I deal with it because I enjoy gaming that much.

Consoles won't be around for too much longer since those companies got so complacent about their core business. They barely afford their current models of business, and if they fail, the buy-in cost to start a new "console" on the same level of functionality, yet closed in and proprietary will probably be too much money.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

Consoles won't be around for too much longer since those companies got so complacent about their core business. They barely afford their current models of business, and if they fail, the buy-in cost to start a new "console" on the same level of functionality, yet closed in and proprietary will probably be too much money.

They already are making the new consoles the Nintendo Wii U is due to be released soon probably holiday season 2012. Consoles are where most of the money is at in the video game industry which is a multi BILLION dollar a year industry yes that's Billion not million so the console manufactures are not complacent the general yuppie console gamer consumers are complacent Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft just gave them what they want.

 

[Tuna-Fish]

Battlefield 3 runs at settings comparable to low at 1280x720

Actually, 1280x704.

 

[Rvenger]

Actually, 1280x704.

That makes perfect sense to why my 720p is cut off ever so slightly on the top and bottom.

 

[ZimZum]

So much elitism. I have every console because I like games. There are many great titles that will never be on the PC. That alone is worth it.

Would I rather play God of War on my PC? Probably...but that's not an option.

So I deal with it because I enjoy gaming that much.

Real Talk

 

[Silverforce11]

I'd imagine that the 720 would use MLAA, since that's the post processing AA method AMD likes to push.

Honestly, I'm not too apprehensive of MLAA or FXAA. New iterations keep being released which increase its precision, and modern lighting engines have decreased the effectiveness of true MSAA while increasing its memory cost (ie Battlefield 3).

This is simply not true, deferred renderers can have fully functional (BF3's version was barely functional) MSAA without the huge perf penalty if its built to use DX11 directcompute. As showcased by AMD's tech demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYweEn6DFcU and used in the EGO game engine: Dirt Showdown and upcoming F1 games.

So as to why its not implemented more, probably slack game devs and prolly true for a lot of games, consolitis holding PC games back.

Directcompute is a core feature of DX11 and on an API that every vendor can use. No excuses to not use if their games are deferred rendering, and give us real AA.

 

[HurleyBird]

This is simply not true, deferred renderers can have fully functional (BF3's version was barely functional) MSAA without the huge perf penalty if its built to use DX11 directcompute. As showcased by AMD's tech demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYweEn6DFcU and used in the EGO game engine: Dirt Showdown and upcoming F1 games.

Those aren't examples of deferred rendering, rather forward rendering with some special sauce targeting GCN specifically. AMD calls it "Forward+"

A better example of MSAA in a deferred setting would be the entire Batman:AA debacle.

 

[Silverforce11]

Those aren't examples of deferred rendering, rather forward rendering with some special sauce targeting GCN specifically. AMD calls it "Forward+"

A better example of MSAA in a deferred setting would be the entire Batman:AA debacle.

The whole point of deferred rendering is to enable more and realistic lighting and shadows on a large scene. If you want this and also want to have MSAA, you go through dx11 with compute.. call it whatever. But the fact its supported in dx11 means everyone can use it instead of picking either forward or deferred for their game engines.