Crap or get off the pot about CRT. Name the school district that teaches it.

[hal2kilo]

When racism was baked into the Constitution it's an easy answer.

When Jim Crow was baked into law it's an easy answer.

When segregation was baked into law it's an easy answer.

Hint: Black people didn't create it.

Here's another one, who was caught by courts in 3 states racist gerrymandering to disenfranchise black representation in those states. Hint: Not black people.

Choice becomes binary if you want to open your fucking eyes which you clearly refuse to do.

Good luck. I really don't know why you guys bother.

 

[HomerJS]

Since the poor little kids of Mr. and Mrs. Whitey can't deal with this countries real history let's just make up something.

Florida Schools to Tell Kids Slavery Benefited Black People

The Florida Board of Education has approved shocking new standards for African American history, despite overwhelming backlash from the public.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[pcgeek11]

Go fuck yourself. You know I said primarily responsible not every single person.

Stop trying to lie your way out of your bigoted position.

You are way more bigoted than I.

Logical fallacy argument, can you figure out which one?

As I stated and now you seem to agree it isn't a binary answer.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You are way more bigoted than I.


As I stated and now you seem to agree it isn't a binary answer.

Are you drunk?

 

[pcgeek11]

Are you drunk?

Are you?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Are you?

No, but it’s like you can’t read

 

[APU_Fusion]

3/5 a person for African American seemed to be clearly racist and directed at a whole group of people. That is undeniable fact on a national scale. There is no two sides to that. Of course everyone can be racist but there is a blatant historical clarity that Native Americans, African Americans, and Asian Americans were openly discriminated against.

at least the US interned Germans as well as Japanese in WW2 🙄

 

[cytg111]

Is it insane to think that a group of people would develop racism as a response to being subjected to racism? Like Newtons third, action/reaction. I mean I cannot imagine a minority subjected to what black people have been - and not develop a similar reaction in the opposing direction.
- Question is, is it cultural relevant? Probably not.
- There is a-lot more white people than black people about in the US, as such white racism is likely overrepresented.
- As white people hold most of the power coupons they are also most likely to exercise and manifest racist policies. (as we have seen GOP do again and again).

So while I think pcgeek is in principle correct, is it a point that matters? Not really.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Is it insane to think that a group of people would develop racism as a response to being subjected to racism? Like Newtons third, action/reaction. I mean I cannot imagine a minority subjected to what black people have been - and not develop a similar reaction in the opposing direction.
- Question is, is it cultural relevant? Probably not.
- There is a-lot more white people than black people about in the US, as such white racism is likely overrepresented.
- As white people hold most of the power coupons they are also most likely to exercise and manifest racist policies. (as we have seen GOP do again and again).

So while I think pcgeek is in principle correct, is it a point that matters? Not really.

What principal is pcgeek asserting?

 

[cytg111]

What principal is pcgeek asserting?

I think he is latching on to the "I am technically correct, the best form of correct" and refuses to actually move from there and argue the substance. As childish (profile pic game spot on) as that may be, moving to call him racist cause he doesnt engage is also not quite fair. IMO.

He did post this bit

I don't think I said "equally responsible" and if so I was incorrect.

It isn't a simple binary answer.

I think that concludes that he is not "both siding" it, while still maintaining "technically correct".

 

[ch33zw1z]

I think he is latching on to the "I am technically correct, the best form of correct" and refuses to actually move from there and argue the substance. As childish (profile pic game spot on) as that may be, moving to call him racist cause he doesnt engage is also not quite fair. IMO.

He did post this bit

I think that concludes that he is not "both siding" it, while still maintaining "technically correct".

He disagreed with HomerJS that a people group in the U.S. was primarily responsible for perpetual racism.

It’s just more bullshit from mr. Secret reasons

Post in thread 'Black waiter forced to serve N-word spewing diners decked in Confederate flags.'
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ed-in-confederate-flags.2612295/post-41006261

It seems painfully obvious that in U.S. history, racism has been a trend from the get go, perpetuated by Europeans and their ancestors.

Geeks flailing about on this topic is simple tribalism.

 

[HomerJS]

He disagreed with HomerJS that a people group in the U.S. was primarily responsible for perpetual racism.

It’s just more bullshit from mr. Secret reasons

Post in thread 'Black waiter forced to serve N-word spewing diners decked in Confederate flags.'
https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ed-in-confederate-flags.2612295/post-41006261

It seems painfully obvious that in U.S. history, racism has been a trend from the get go, perpetuated by Europeans and their ancestors.

Geeks flailing about on this topic is simple tribalism.

Simplie minded attempt at a defense. When confronted by the truth don't attempt to refute it, just pick up your blocks and go home. His other simple minded defense, strawman. To avoid discussing evidence presented he just stomps his feet and says, "you think everything is about race". He then proceeds to pick up his blocks and go home.

He never defends his position with evidence. I listed many points of evidence as proof white people are primarily responsible for racism in this country and he never addresses my evidence. He just shouts, "you are the real racist"

 

[Amused]

Is it insane to think that a group of people would develop racism as a response to being subjected to racism? Like Newtons third, action/reaction. I mean I cannot imagine a minority subjected to what black people have been - and not develop a similar reaction in the opposing direction.
- Question is, is it cultural relevant? Probably not.
- There is a-lot more white people than black people about in the US, as such white racism is likely overrepresented.
- As white people hold most of the power coupons they are also most likely to exercise and manifest racist policies. (as we have seen GOP do again and again).

So while I think pcgeek is in principle correct, is it a point that matters? Not really.

True racism requires at its base a core belief that one race is inherently superior to another.

Racial resentment or racial hatred in response to racism is NOT racism. It lacks the required belief of racial superiority.

There is no such thing as "reverse racism" without a belief of racial superiority/inferiority.

Let's use classism as an example: The upper classes believe they are inherently superior to the lower classes. The lower classes resent this and hate the upper classes.

Yet only one class is guilty of classism (the core belief of class superiority/inferiority). The other class has a legitimate grievance and source of resentment and believes they are EQUAL to the other class.

Sexism is another good example. Women resenting men for being treated as inferior is NOT sexism.

 

[cytg111]

True racism requires at its base a core belief that one race is inherently superior to another.

Racial resentment or racial hatred in response to racism is NOT racism. It lacks the required belief of racial superiority.

There is no such thing as "reverse racism" without a belief of racial superiority/inferiority.

Let's use classism as an example: The upper classes believe they are inherently superior to the lower classes. The lower classes resent this and hate the upper classes.

Yet only one class is guilty of classism (the core belief of class superiority/inferiority). The other class has a legitimate grievance and source of resentment and believes they are EQUAL to the other class.

Sexism is another good example. Women resenting men for being treated as inferior is NOT sexism.

Yea I know this, but we also know it's not how it's solely used in current culture right? Interchangeable with bigotry/stereotyping/prejudice.

Nazi Germany was probably racist. Sarcasm. Nazi Germany was hella racist.

We've had this discussion before, when is something racist, one opinion I recall was that "accidental racism is still racism" - talking about GOP policies gerry mandering etc.

 

[cytg111]

Why the fuck am I meddling in this thread? Cause I see a cross section where there might actually be some common ground but instead of focusing on THAT, everyone is using the same old hammer to hammer the same old nail. What? Ten years in now?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why the fuck am I meddling in this thread? Cause I see a cross section where there might actually be some common ground but instead of focusing on THAT, everyone is using the same old hammer to hammer the same old nail. What? Ten years in now?

I think that’s a noble idea, as well as acknowledging the people who have been primarily responsible perpetuating racism in the U.S. is a great place to find common ground. But it seems that’s too much to ask /shrug

 

[ch33zw1z]

Florida Will Require Students to Learn Enslaved People “Benefited” From Slavery

New curriculum standards in Florida omit "key historical facts about the Black experience," critics say.

truthout.org

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/us/florida-black-history-education-standards-reaj/index.html

What facts are up against

Edit: additional link

 

[APU_Fusion]

Florida Will Require Students to Learn Enslaved People “Benefited” From Slavery

New curriculum standards in Florida omit "key historical facts about the Black experience," critics say.

truthout.org

What facts are up against

It is horrifying, sad, and a sign of the new alt-fact world.

 

[cytg111]

Florida Will Require Students to Learn Enslaved People “Benefited” From Slavery

New curriculum standards in Florida omit "key historical facts about the Black experience," critics say.

truthout.org

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/us/florida-black-history-education-standards-reaj/index.html

What facts are up against

Edit: additional link

Yea, posted that in the DeSantis thread, its fucking wild.

 

[Luna1968]

CRT In Class: Local school district admits lessons on race, gender, and privilege were potentially biased

An I-team investigation reveals Critical Race Theory lessons, also known as CRT, were assigned to some local students. CRT is a divisive subject and is a subject the district says it doesn’t teach. I-Team investigator Jeff Stahl reveals the Desert Sands Unified School District has admitted some...

kesq.com

lots of school districts are teaching this bullshit. maybe check your privilege and find better news sources.

 

[brycejones]

CRT In Class: Local school district admits lessons on race, gender, and privilege were potentially biased

An I-team investigation reveals Critical Race Theory lessons, also known as CRT, were assigned to some local students. CRT is a divisive subject and is a subject the district says it doesn’t teach. I-Team investigator Jeff Stahl reveals the Desert Sands Unified School District has admitted some...

kesq.com

lots of school districts are teaching this bullshit. maybe check your privilege and find better news sources.

Took you 20 months to come up with maybe one?

Sure seems like “lots” even if your linked story is actually accurate.

 

[HomerJS]

CRT In Class: Local school district admits lessons on race, gender, and privilege were potentially biased

An I-team investigation reveals Critical Race Theory lessons, also known as CRT, were assigned to some local students. CRT is a divisive subject and is a subject the district says it doesn’t teach. I-Team investigator Jeff Stahl reveals the Desert Sands Unified School District has admitted some...

kesq.com

lots of school districts are teaching this bullshit. maybe check your privilege and find better news sources.

First of all you fucking liar LOTS of districts are not teaching CRT. Some anonymous group makes a CRT claim and we just accept that as fact?

First off since when did gender get lumped into CRT?

Second any lesson on race and privilege that may be biased is NOT CRT. CRT is a specific ciriculumn.

You are going to have to pick up your lying game just a bit.

 

[ch33zw1z]

CRT In Class: Local school district admits lessons on race, gender, and privilege were potentially biased

An I-team investigation reveals Critical Race Theory lessons, also known as CRT, were assigned to some local students. CRT is a divisive subject and is a subject the district says it doesn’t teach. I-Team investigator Jeff Stahl reveals the Desert Sands Unified School District has admitted some...

kesq.com

lots of school districts are teaching this bullshit. maybe check your privilege and find better news sources.

The irony of “find better news sources” is great.

The article doesn’t provide much other than one teacher taught some lessons in one week that may have been categorized as CRT, not sure!

Either way, facts like social privilege based on a select criteria should be taught to high schoolers because they’re about to enter the real world, where it’s actually a thing

Here’s a comprehensive write up about CRT, maybe take a peek

Critical race theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[cytg111]

Yea, posted that in the DeSantis thread, its fucking wild.

@ch33zw1z oh yea, and tagged all our conservative members there… guess what, no response.

 

[HomerJS]

Sat Jul 22, 2023 and still nobody can name the district where CRT is taught.