"Ignorance, prejudice, closed mindedness and intolerance" describes the attitudes of many of radical secular fundamentalists here.
I think the liberalism is wrong and misguided but I don't hate all liberals.
"Ignorance, prejudice, closed mindedness and intolerance" describes the attitudes of many of radical secular fundamentalists here.
I think the liberalism is wrong and misguided but I don't hate all liberals.
Red Dawn
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Some of them are misguided, many of those here. However I find most Religious Fundies and Evanga Whackos just as misguided including yourself. Anybody that buys into a belief system that tries to tell others how they should live their lives is extremely suspect in my mind. I don't hate them but I don't trust them either.
I'm a former Catholic who left Catholicism when I became a Christian.
I've attended a lot of Evangelical churches across a variety of denmonations ove the last 25 years or so, and I haven't observed any prejudice against Catholics.
The only people that I know that are anti-Catholic are former Catholics.
My mother is a southern Protestant who married a Catholic. It was never an issue on either side of the family.
Riprorin, you can't say that I hate anyone, and certainly not a whole group. I do think that it is very interesting that you get so fired up when I bring up the problem of prejudice. Methinks the lady doth protest too much... 
Anyway, I am married to a man whom I love very much, and he WAS one of those white evangelicals. He's still white, lol... but after a time, he realized that there is indeed a high level of exclusionism, when what the world really needs is inclusion. In the evangelical communities that I know of around here, either you are one of the 'saved' (one of them) or one of the 'unsaved'. And the 'saved' are of course, better than the poor pathetic unsaved. You can have been a criminal but if you've Seen The Light and Joined The Club, no one will notice that you are still scamming if you've learned how to work the congregation well enough.
As for getting personal Rip, I don't agree with your subtle attempts at character assasinations towards me. If anything, I'm like the kid in the story of The Emperor's New Clothes. I'm not going to pretend that he's all decked out in finery when he is really naked. Furthermore, I am the first to point out the same problems in my own cultural background... I'm not singling any group out.
What I am doing is trying to point out that it is all in how we react... do we react blindly or do we try to understand the foundations of the problem?
Anyway, I am married to a man whom I love very much, and he WAS one of those white evangelicals. He's still white, lol... but after a time, he realized that there is indeed a high level of exclusionism, when what the world really needs is inclusion. In the evangelical communities that I know of around here, either you are one of the 'saved' (one of them) or one of the 'unsaved'. And the 'saved' are of course, better than the poor pathetic unsaved. You can have been a criminal but if you've Seen The Light and Joined The Club, no one will notice that you are still scamming if you've learned how to work the congregation well enough.
As for getting personal Rip, I don't agree with your subtle attempts at character assasinations towards me. If anything, I'm like the kid in the story of The Emperor's New Clothes. I'm not going to pretend that he's all decked out in finery when he is really naked. Furthermore, I am the first to point out the same problems in my own cultural background... I'm not singling any group out.
What I am doing is trying to point out that it is all in how we react... do we react blindly or do we try to understand the foundations of the problem?
And Hitler's mother was a Jew...
The bottom line here is that you are coming from your personal perspective, which is based on your experience... which is just as valid as mine is.
But why do you feel the need to try to invalidate mine?
I don't think that name calling fosters reasonable discussion.
Christians are called by Christ to spread the Gospel (Good News).
?All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth. Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world? (Mt. 28:18-20 ASV).
Is this your fundamental problem with Christianity?
There's a lot of people who don't believe in Christianity that don't continually slam it.
So what has you all lathered up?
Red Dawn
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Lol..lathered up?
I don't continoulsy slam Christianity, just the extremists like the Fundies and Evangalisits whose sole intent is to force their beliefs upon others. Most Christians I know are not like that and have as much disdain for the Fundies as I do. Of course you probably wouldn't consider them Christians just like you don't seem to consider Catholics Christians.
Originally posted by: Isla
Riprorin, you can't say that I hate anyone, and certainly not a whole group. I do think that it is very interesting that you get so fired up when I bring up the problem of prejudice. Methinks the lady doth protest too much...
Anyway, I am married to a man whom I love very much, and he WAS one of those white evangelicals. He's still white, lol... but after a time, he realized that there is indeed a high level of exclusionism, when what the world really needs is inclusion. In the evangelical communities that I know of around here, either you are one of the 'saved' (one of them) or one of the 'unsaved'. And the 'saved' are of course, better than the poor pathetic unsaved. You can have been a criminal but if you've Seen The Light and Joined The Club, no one will notice that you are still scamming if you've learned how to work the congregation well enough.
As for getting personal Rip, I don't agree with your subtle attempts at character assasinations towards me. If anything, I'm like the kid in the story of The Emperor's New Clothes. I'm not going to pretend that he's all decked out in finery when he is really naked. Furthermore, I am the first to point out the same problems in my own cultural background... I'm not singling any group out.
What I am doing is trying to point out that it is all in how we react... do we react blindly or do we try to understand the foundations of the problem?
You're going in way too many directions for me to have an intelligent discussion with you.
If you want to have your views rubber stamped, why don't you find site where there isn't diversity of opinion?
Red Dawn
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Ah, another example of Rip's condenscending attitude towards Isla and other women who have the nerve to question him.Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Isla
Riprorin, you can't say that I hate anyone, and certainly not a whole group. I do think that it is very interesting that you get so fired up when I bring up the problem of prejudice. Methinks the lady doth protest too much...
Anyway, I am married to a man whom I love very much, and he WAS one of those white evangelicals. He's still white, lol... but after a time, he realized that there is indeed a high level of exclusionism, when what the world really needs is inclusion. In the evangelical communities that I know of around here, either you are one of the 'saved' (one of them) or one of the 'unsaved'. And the 'saved' are of course, better than the poor pathetic unsaved. You can have been a criminal but if you've Seen The Light and Joined The Club, no one will notice that you are still scamming if you've learned how to work the congregation well enough.
As for getting personal Rip, I don't agree with your subtle attempts at character assasinations towards me. If anything, I'm like the kid in the story of The Emperor's New Clothes. I'm not going to pretend that he's all decked out in finery when he is really naked. Furthermore, I am the first to point out the same problems in my own cultural background... I'm not singling any group out.
What I am doing is trying to point out that it is all in how we react... do we react blindly or do we try to understand the foundations of the problem?
You're going in way too many directions for me to have an intelligent discussion with you.
If you want to have your views rubber stamped, why don't you find site where there isn't diversity of opinion?
Christians are commanded by Christ to spread the gospel.
What makes one a Christian has absolutely nothing to do with church attendance, what denomination you belong to, or what the beliefs of your parents are.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Ah, another example of Rip's condenscending attitude towards Isla and other women who have the nerve to question him.Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Isla
Riprorin, you can't say that I hate anyone, and certainly not a whole group. I do think that it is very interesting that you get so fired up when I bring up the problem of prejudice. Methinks the lady doth protest too much...
Anyway, I am married to a man whom I love very much, and he WAS one of those white evangelicals. He's still white, lol... but after a time, he realized that there is indeed a high level of exclusionism, when what the world really needs is inclusion. In the evangelical communities that I know of around here, either you are one of the 'saved' (one of them) or one of the 'unsaved'. And the 'saved' are of course, better than the poor pathetic unsaved. You can have been a criminal but if you've Seen The Light and Joined The Club, no one will notice that you are still scamming if you've learned how to work the congregation well enough.
As for getting personal Rip, I don't agree with your subtle attempts at character assasinations towards me. If anything, I'm like the kid in the story of The Emperor's New Clothes. I'm not going to pretend that he's all decked out in finery when he is really naked. Furthermore, I am the first to point out the same problems in my own cultural background... I'm not singling any group out.
What I am doing is trying to point out that it is all in how we react... do we react blindly or do we try to understand the foundations of the problem?
You're going in way too many directions for me to have an intelligent discussion with you.
If you want to have your views rubber stamped, why don't you find site where there isn't diversity of opinion?
Sorry you see it that way. But since you have such an obvious disdain for my beliefs, it isn't very surprising.
Red Dawn
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No matter how annoying or intrusive it is?
So I gather that you consider yourself more of a Christian than others because you go out of your way to bother people preaching your beliefs? Does that include using violence as you suggest we do to overthrow Chavez in Venezuela?
The only thing that I can do is to try to live out Christ's teachings to the best of my ability.
I'll leave the judgement part to God.
I'll leave the judgement part to God.
Of the 40 or so parables uttered by Jesus, more than half relate to God's eternal judgment on sin.
Would you extend a lifeline to a drowning man?
To ignore those who are spiritually dying would not only be in contradiction to Christ's teachings, it would be cruel.
Red Dawn
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In your opinion. In theirs it is intrusive and highly annoying. You have a right to believe as you want as long as it doesn't intrude upon others believing what they want. Well you actually have a right to annoy to a certain extent but you shouldn't expect it to be well received and in the name of common courtesy you should refrain from doing so when it is made abundantly clear that it is not welcomed. When you don't give that courtesy you should not be surprised when you and your message are responded to negatively.
Christians' responsibility is to share the Good News. If someone chooses reject it, that's their pregrogative.
No one should continue to share any belief with someone when it is unwelcome.
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Well, that certainly explains why you're here. Haven't we made it quite clear we don't want you proselytizing? We're not sheep (or evil, evil Muslims) just ripe for the converting. :roll:
LOL, but you have to admit, only Rip could take a thread about tolerance and learning to see cultures from a more global perspective (instead of our usual narrow ones) into another attempt at imposing his faith's agenda!
That's talent... or something.
That's talent... or something.
Isla, you like bashing Christians and you come here for the support you're obviously going to get.
You're the one that interjected Christianity into this thread.
I see that this has devolved into a bash fest at my expense.
Have fun.
You're the one that interjected Christianity into this thread.
I see that this has devolved into a bash fest at my expense.
Have fun.
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