Cracker Country

[Isla]

Rip, I brought up an experience that I had which, to me, shows racism within a group. Generally speaking, the Christian denominations DO split on ethnic/cultural lines. It was a perfectly valid example of a deep rooted problem... the 'us' against 'them' mentality.

You see me as bashing Christians, but I see you as looking for persecution so you can feel validated.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Isla, you like bashing Christians are you come here for the support you're obviously going to get.

You're the one that interjected Christianity into this thread.

I see that this has devolved into a bash fest at my expense.

Have fun.

LOL, you post calling her a hater and when she responds in kind it's you who she is bashing.

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Isla, you like bashing Christians are you come here for the support you're obviously going to get.

You're the one that interjected Christianity into this thread.

I see that this has devolved into a bash fest at my expense.

Have fun.

LOL, you post calling her a hater and when she responds in kind it's you who she is bashing.

It's a gift he has, I tell you!

Anyway, I hate to let him crap in my threads so I want to post a link that I think some here will appreciate and respect.

Interfaith Alliance

It's off the original topic, but hey. It's definitely something people should think about.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin
The only thing that I can do is to try to live out Christ's teachings to the best of my ability.

I'll leave the judgement part to God.

Yeah but must you inflict it upon others?

Of the 40 or so parables uttered by Jesus, more than half relate to God's eternal judgment on sin.

Would you extend a lifeline to a drowning man?

To ignore those who are spiritually dying would not only be in contradiction to Christ's teachings, it would be cruel.

I dunno. I learned how to swim without my Jesus water wings a long, long time ago.

Muslims believe in spreading the word too. How do you feel about their proselytizing methodologies? Or how about those in the Church of Satan? I'm sure you'd find their brand of tossing out lifelines not only annoying but rather instrusive as well.

I don't mind if Christians feel a need to spread their word. But don't canvas my neighborhood and don't bother coming on my personal property. If I want their word I will seek it out. Not only that, but you'd think that if God is so powerful and omnipotent, he'd find a much more convenient way of spreading his word than ringing my doorbell.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Isla
Riprorin, you know as well as I do that if I had said,

"Yes, I am... I'm Baptist" or Lutheran, or Methodist, or any other Protestant demonimation, the girl would have accepted me. It wasn't my ignorance... I KNEW that I was telling her my denomination. It was like saying, yes I am an American... I'm from Florida. (I didn't yet realize it was a social mistake, like blacklisting myself!)

It is unbecoming for you to pretend that you don't know about the predjudices between Protestants and Catholics! Stop trying to lead this thread AWAY from what it is really about.... TOLERANCE. You only show that you are a leader in sowing hatred by trying to make your 'arguments'.

Common with all religions that I have experienced: You leave tolerance at the door of the church. Baptists don't care for Methodists, Protestants and Catholics have differences, Jews and other Christian denominations harbor opinions about the others, Muslims seem to hate Christians of all denominations, etc. One of my many issues with congregations. Nice side effect though is that religions aren't about to unite anytime soon, despite the paranoia that the left seems to have to all of them.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Isla
Rip, I brought up an experience that I had which, to me, shows racism within a group. Generally speaking, the Christian denominations DO split on ethnic/cultural lines. It was a perfectly valid example of a deep rooted problem... the 'us' against 'them' mentality.

You see me as bashing Christians, but I see you as looking for persecution so you can feel validated.

Can you clarify for me how the experience you brought up shows racism?

 

[Isla]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Isla
Rip, I brought up an experience that I had which, to me, shows racism within a group. Generally speaking, the Christian denominations DO split on ethnic/cultural lines. It was a perfectly valid example of a deep rooted problem... the 'us' against 'them' mentality.

You see me as bashing Christians, but I see you as looking for persecution so you can feel validated.

Can you clarify for me how the experience you brought up shows racism?

Rip, unfortunately I don't think I can clarify anything for you. If you don't already see that there are ethnicities that tend to congregate more in some denominations than in others, you've got some serious rose colored glasses on. I mean, why do you think it was a big deal for JFK to be the first Catholic president? Because Catholics have been discriminated against for their ethnicity. He was the wrong kind of Irish. Here's a better example for you: My oldest daughter's best friend's father (a white evangelical) goes to a Baptist church where they consider Catholicism a cult. It was a problem for them that my daughter often attended Catholic church with my brother's family (my sister in law is Italian). Catholicism is pretty common among certain ethnicities... Italian, Greek, Irish, and a lot of Hispanics in general (although there has been a move towards evangelism with Hispanics lately.). My husband's family has the same attitude towards Catholics. This is common in the South and, like it or not, ends up being an issue of race/ethnicity than anything else. If you are born into a family/culture where a particular denomination is the tradition, it's an ethnic thing.

It's actually one of the most INTERESTING things about religion... politics and race!

 

[BBond]

Look, I'm a Catholic. I've had discussions with Protestants who claim the Pope is some agent of Satan or some such nonsense. Catholics have long faced descrimination from other Christian churches. Especially Latin Catholics.

Back to the OP. There are regional differences in acceptability of nick names for groups. For example, it may be acceptable to call someone a Cracker in Florida where the name has positive connotations but it could lead to problems in New Jersey where the term "cracker" is viewed as a pejorative.

People know what's acceptable in their own backyard. Taking into consideration where you're hearing something is sometimes as important as what you're hearing.

 

[Isla]

BBond, excellent point and excellent post.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Isla

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Isla
Rip, I brought up an experience that I had which, to me, shows racism within a group. Generally speaking, the Christian denominations DO split on ethnic/cultural lines. It was a perfectly valid example of a deep rooted problem... the 'us' against 'them' mentality.

You see me as bashing Christians, but I see you as looking for persecution so you can feel validated.

Can you clarify for me how the experience you brought up shows racism?

Rip, unfortunately I don't think I can clarify anything for you. If you don't already see that there are ethnicities that tend to congregate more in some denominations than in others, you've got some serious rose colored glasses on. I mean, why do you think it was a big deal for JFK to be the first Catholic president? Because Catholics have been discriminated against for their ethnicity. He was the wrong kind of Irish. Here's a better example for you: My oldest daughter's best friend's father (a white evangelical) goes to a Baptist church where they consider Catholicism a cult. It was a problem for them that my daughter often attended Catholic church with my brother's family (my sister in law is Italian). Catholicism is pretty common among certain ethnicities... Italian, Greek, Irish, and a lot of Hispanics in general (although there has been a move towards evangelism with Hispanics lately.). My husband's family has the same attitude towards Catholics. This is common in the South and, like it or not, ends up being an issue of race/ethnicity than anything else. If you are born into a family/culture where a particular denomination is the tradition, it's an ethnic thing.

It's actually one of the most INTERESTING things about religion... politics and race!

I have an Italian last name and have dark hair, dark eyes, and a dark complexion even though I'm 1/2 German/English from my mother's side. I could probably pass for a Hispanic or an Arab.

I've been to a lot of Protestant churches over the last 25 years and have never experienced any prejudice so I can't relate to what you are talking about.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Perknose
Hi Isla! Don't be a stranger, post more often, you're a sane, centered breath of fresh air always. :wine:

Well, Nazi is an appropriate term to call George Bush in these forums too.. Basically, if its insulting to white christians.. its allowed.

Wow! You're just a knee jerk kind of responder . . . only without the "knee".

Meanwhile, just look at how thought provoking and culturally illuminating this post has become.

What amazes me is how certain posters consistently try to reduce the whole fascinating range of human cultural behavior into the angry, reductive, pre-set precepts of their particular political-cultural jihad.

The devil is always in the details. Human behavior transcends and trumps overarching ideology and is generally tribal in it's expression.

. . . Which is why the Italian Catholic tradition is as much Italian in expression as it is Catholic and differs tribally from the Hispanic Catholic Church. And why what we Anglos call Hispanic is a gloss for a whole gaggle of culturally different tribes -- Cubans being different from Puerto Ricans being different from Spaniards. They are as Oscar Wilde described England and the America, divided by a common language.