Question CPU underperforming in games

[XANtheman]

Hello I have recently upgraded my CPU from a R3 1200 to a 3300x. Complete specs are as follows-

CPU- R3 3300X
RAM - 2x8 GB DDR4 2400MHz in dual channel (CMK8GX4M1A2400C16R)
GPU- MSI GTX 1650 D6 AERO ITX OCV1
PSU- CX 450
MOTHERBOARD- MSI B450M PRO VDH MAX (BIOS 7A38vB4 - AGESA 1.0.0.4)

My older CPU was bottlenecking my GPU in games like Cyberpunk , metro exodus, FC Primal, so I upgraded to a R3 3300X. I saw benchmarks on youtube and was able to confirm that R3 1200 should be the bottleneck in my system (see this video-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L33n3TdSjNk&t=3213s). In the video the GTX 1650 clearly manages above 30 at 1080p ultra most of the time in the train sequence with a R3 3100 whereas my R3 1200 would drop to mid 20's in that sequence. The problem is that even after the upgrade I am dropping to mid 20's. IMO RAM should not be a bottleneck with GPU of this caliber at 1080p ultra settings( NVIDIA hairworks disabled and tessellation off in metro exodus).

I tried the following fixes-
1. Fresh install of windows 10 to windows 21H2
2. Installing the latest chipset drivers and Nvidia Geforce drivers
3. Clearing CMOS
4. Disabling windows game mode and switching to high performance power plan.
5. Disabling all power saving features in BIOS, maxing out cTDP limit
6. Reseating RAM
7. Trying latest BIOS updates
8. using max performance in Nvidia control panel.

At this point I have no further ideas to troubleshoot this issue. Also if it is genuinely the memory then that is really disappointing in terms of compatibility of this platform. If you guys have a solution please do post it.

 

[igor_kavinski]

That's understandable for a console but I will still try your suggestion tomorrow on my PC

Did you try?

 

[XANtheman]

Did you try?

Not yet not possible today.But I have found something interesting and it indicates that you guys are correct about SSD. See these two videos-

Trust me this channel is really genuine and the two videos show that the GTX 1650s is performing better than GTX 1660 and i5 9400f is used with 1650s and metro exodus is installed on SSD. In the 1660 video it is installed on a hdd and hence 1660 performs slower than 1650s

 

[UsandThem]

And if no-one has a solution ( I will whatever you suggested so far) for my problem stop replying. If anyone has some experience then you are welcome. What I did over estimate is that anandtech forums has experienced people but it is actually the opposite

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Not yet not possible today.But I have found something interesting and it indicates that you guys are correct about SSD. See these two videos-

Well, at least that only took 5 pages for that nugget of knowledge to finally sink in.

 

[tamz_msc]

I wasn't trying to compare it to the 6500X which I also called a turd. I was pointing out that in that selection of games the 5500X gained 20% going from 4GB to 8GB VRAM.

The TPU link you used shows 43.7FPS. That is not quite 60FPS. Moreover, their test system is better everywhere else as well. Also, two can play at that game. Cyberpunk, another game listed, required 5605MB of VRAM at 1920x1080p.

Man, people don't read, do they? TPU clearly states - they test the highest settings possible, unless stated otherwise. Highest settings in Metro Exodus = Extreme. 43.7 FPS is with Extreme, not Ultra. With ultra it is very much possible that the performance would be around 50-55 FPS. And why talk about Cyberpunk? The discussion is not about that game.

 

[tamz_msc]

Especially with a 4 core slower gaming CPU, slower RAM, and on a freaking HDD.

Since tamz_msc is so confident in the GTX 1650 and its ability to game perfectly on high/ultra settings, he can work with the OP to fix his issues.

Since you're so knowledgeable and yet that knowledge amounted to nothing when it came to actually helping the OP, maybe see yourself out of this thread?

 

[UsandThem]

Since you're so knowledgeable and yet that knowledge amounted to nothing when it came to actually helping the OP, maybe see yourself out of this thread?

Yeah, OK there boss.

 

[tamz_msc]

Trust me this channel is really genuine and the two videos show that the GTX 1650s is performing better than GTX 1660 and i5 9400f is used with 1650s and metro exodus is installed on SSD. In the 1660 video it is installed on a hdd and hence 1660 performs slower than 1650s

Maybe you can do a capture of the exact sequence where the frame drop occurs, one with the SSD and one with the HDD, and then we can definitely say whether storage is indeed the culprit.

 

[XANtheman]

Maybe you can do a capture of the exact sequence where the frame drop occurs, one with the SSD and one with the HDD, and then we can definitely say whether storage is indeed the culprit.

I will post screenshots, also in the video I posted he said he OCed his GPU that could be source of drops in metro.

 

[Thunder 57]

Man, people don't read, do they? TPU clearly states - they test the highest settings possible, unless stated otherwise. Highest settings in Metro Exodus = Extreme. 43.7 FPS is with Extreme, not Ultra. With ultra it is very much possible that the performance would be around 50-55 FPS. And why talk about Cyberpunk? The discussion is not about that game.

I mentioned that I don't play the games mentioned, so I was unaware of the Extreme setting. Even then you are speculating 50-55 which is still less than 60. I brought up Cyperpunk because it was in the OP's list of games. Why are you trying so hard to defend the 1650? What do you think the problem is?

 

[XANtheman]

Did you try?

I installed metro exodus on WD green SSD and as expected performance was exactly the same , just the mouse felt little more responsive. Now I think that it must be the slow memory. But this is really annoying, wasn't 3rd gen ryzen supposed to be less dependant on RAM speeds? And for 1650 in metro exodus memory speed should not matter. I've seen tests with 2080ti comparing memory speeds on ryzen but they all were 1080p. I know you guys think that I shouldn't be playing metro at ultra but let me put it this way , I am getting less than expected performance on high too. Now don't you think its the platform's fault (ryzen)? FC primal also has fps drops to mid 20's on ultra (in game). In benchmark my card performs like a Rx 480 but still it's unplayable in game. Well I think it's waaay too much discussion for playing games

 

[DrMrLordX]

wasn't 3rd gen ryzen supposed to be less dependant on RAM speeds?

No. Matisse in particular opened up all kinds of better memory speeds and performance versus Summit Ridge and Pinnacle Ridge. It started the whole DDR4-3800 14-14-14-28 craze which is basically where Vermeer sits today. Granted not everyone could hit those speeds, but DDR4-3600 became very common.

DDR4-2400 is seriously going to underperform.

 

[igor_kavinski]

In benchmark my card performs like a Rx 480 but still it's unplayable in game. Well I think it's waaay too much discussion for playing games

If a friend of yours has a better/newer CPU with faster RAM, ask him to let you test your card in his system. At this point, that's the best way to go that doesn't involve spending any more money.

 

[Hitman928]

I installed metro exodus on WD green SSD and as expected performance was exactly the same , just the mouse felt little more responsive. Now I think that it must be the slow memory. But this is really annoying, wasn't 3rd gen ryzen supposed to be less dependant on RAM speeds? And for 1650 in metro exodus memory speed should not matter. I've seen tests with 2080ti comparing memory speeds on ryzen but they all were 1080p. I know you guys think that I shouldn't be playing metro at ultra but let me put it this way , I am getting less than expected performance on high too. Now don't you think its the platform's fault (ryzen)? FC primal also has fps drops to mid 20's on ultra (in game). In benchmark my card performs like a Rx 480 but still it's unplayable in game. Well I think it's waaay too much discussion for playing games

Is it possible to record your screen to show all video/graphics settings and then the scene where you are experiencing slow downs? Even off of a phone camera or something like that would be fine as long as the screen is decently viewable.

 

[XANtheman]

Is it possible to record your screen to show all video/graphics settings and then the scene where you are experiencing slow downs? Even off of a phone camera or something like that would be fine as long as the screen is decently viewable.

How will that help?

 

[XANtheman]

If a friend of yours has a better/newer CPU with faster RAM, ask him to let you test your card in his system. At this point, that's the best way to go that doesn't involve spending any more money.

Faster RAM should not make a difference with my GPU stop selling me stuff

 

[Hitman928]

How will that help?

Seeing the nature of the performance dips can some times give clues as to what is causing them. Seeing the settings might show some problematic setting that was overlooked.

 

[UsandThem]

So far the OP has told everyone who has offered any advice/opinions that the low frame issue is not related to:

1. CPU
2. GPU
3. RAM
4. HDD
5. SDD
6. PSU
7. Operating system
8. Game settings / resolution

So that leaves the motherboard or a gremlin. Until the OP provides a video (which they have said multiple times they would provide), I'm going to guess the issue is gremlin related.




Based on multiple members giving you plenty of information for your issues, I say this thread has run it's course.
Either use the suggestions that were given to you or not.
But in any case, this thread has come to an end.


esquared
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