Really?
So it's ok for my eyes to have to view your beliefs, but it's not ok for your ears to hear mine?
Really?
So it's ok for my eyes to have to view your beliefs, but it's not ok for your ears to hear mine?
So
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You're assuming that he was. 99% of the time these days, it's a CYA by the company to protect against a lawsuit. You're right, it is the company's right to employ him "at will", and I don't assert that he in any way, shape, or form OWNS his job, but it sounds like he was chatting/joking with others, and someone was too much of a pvssy to say something to his face, so instead he got canned when the company feared a lawsuit.
I think it was more onthe lines of he was preached to and stated his position. Ive used to work with the same guy in my office. Im almost possitive thats how it went down. Ive seen him preached to before.
Blade
Blade
Damn you people are assuming a lot!
He never spoke to any individual about it. He just discussed with other athiests his views. Others just overheard his views.
If someone wants to have a cross at their office/cubicle that is fine. They are not insulting or hurting anyone and it is not offensive.
Your co-worker is an idiot for going on rants and ridiculing others for their beliefs. First, he's not going to prove anything, or convince anyone he's right about something. Second, it's harassment in a work environment. Always a big no-no. You shouldn't be harassing anyone anyway, but certainly not at work.
Should he be fired? That depends on if he has already had a warning. First time it happens you should get a warning. Second time, you're gone.
Your co-worker is an idiot for going on rants and ridiculing others for their beliefs. First, he's not going to prove anything, or convince anyone he's right about something. Second, it's harassment in a work environment. Always a big no-no. You shouldn't be harassing anyone anyway, but certainly not at work.
Should he be fired? That depends on if he has already had a warning. First time it happens you should get a warning. Second time, you're gone.
If that's the case, then he has a legitimate case for wrongful termination. But, in the OP's own words, the guy occasionally "ridiculed" his coworkers about their religions. That statement connotates that some kind of harassment was taking place. I would expect to be unemployed by the end of the day if I pulled something like that at my workplace.
If he was really just expressing his views rather than harassing his coworkers than I agree that he was wronged.
If someone became very vocal about it I would hope that they were given a warning / got fired also.
It's one thing to express your beliefs, it's completely different to preach, mock, ridicule and put down someone elses beliefs.
OH! Well that makes a world of difference. That's like this one guy who was talking to this other guy about how he loves to grab women's asses and feel them up and skull fvck them and stuff. This stupid beyotch was walking by and heard him talking. Jeebus, she should have just minded her own business, but noooooo. She had to go and get him fired for sexual harassment.
:roll:
Obviously joking here, but it's the same principle. Just go to work and shut yer pie hole.
the same thing happened to me.
3 years ago I was employed by Ethicon. One day I get called up to HR and they claimed that I was engaged in a conversation with another co-worker and our "topic" offended someone. HR would give no details of the event. I was suspended with pay...(lasted about a month) they ended up firing both of us.
reason-- creating a hostile work environment.
I still have no clue what we said that was so bad....
3 years ago I was employed by Ethicon. One day I get called up to HR and they claimed that I was engaged in a conversation with another co-worker and our "topic" offended someone. HR would give no details of the event. I was suspended with pay...(lasted about a month) they ended up firing both of us.
reason-- creating a hostile work environment.
I still have no clue what we said that was so bad....
It doesn't matter if the attacks were against individuals or against religion in general. If he/she created a hostile work environment from his actions/language then there is grounds for dismissal.
It's like a man saying in an office full of women, "man, my wife gave the greatest head last night. The way she played with my ass while licking my balls set me on fire". Here is a compliment to his wife, but he could easily make women who hear this uncomfortable.
It's inappropriate and has no place in the work environment.
To be safe never talk about religion, politics, or sex @ work. NEVER.
It's like a man saying in an office full of women, "man, my wife gave the greatest head last night. The way she played with my ass while licking my balls set me on fire". Here is a compliment to his wife, but he could easily make women who hear this uncomfortable.
It's inappropriate and has no place in the work environment.
To be safe never talk about religion, politics, or sex @ work. NEVER.
If your friend was offending others, he could be construed has harrassing other employees and be fired for that.
The employer's other option: not doing anythign and being threatened by the other employees for having a threatening workplace, is worse. The employer might have been between a rock and a hard place.
The employer's other option: not doing anythign and being threatened by the other employees for having a threatening workplace, is worse. The employer might have been between a rock and a hard place.
Originally posted by: Johnnie
the same thing happened to me.
3 years ago I was employed by Ethicon. One day I get called up to HR and they claimed that I was engaged in a conversation with another co-worker and our "topic" offended someone. HR would give no details of the event. I was suspended with pay...(lasted about a month) they ended up firing both of us.
reason-- creating a hostile work environment.
I still have no clue what we said that was so bad....
You're allowed to know why your actions caused a hostile work enviroment. I would have spoken with a lawyer.
Don't get me wrong. I agree that it's NECESSARY now to avoid those subjects at work. But I think the person needed to go to management, not HR. Give the guy a writeup and get on with life. Going to HR was just petty and vengeful, knowing that was the absolute worst thing that could be done.
You can be damn sure that if someone had a darwin fish on their desk, they'd get complaints about it. Yet when someone has a "Jesus fish" on their desk, they say it's a positive thing.
Ethicon had a lawyer from Corporate to walk me out of the plant..while explaining that I could not come back on the property..
I thought it a bit overkill....
I thought it a bit overkill....
Christians are the least tolerant people on the planet. After all, they're the ones that believe that if you don't worship who they worship, you're going to hell. They also seem to think that the USA is a Christian country and should stay that way.
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