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Coworker fired for Athiest views?

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Did Duroc Shark change employers or does he just not realize that he told a lot of people here in the past just who his employer is? Hmm... Not a threat (I'm not that kind of person), it's just not cool to embarass your employer like this when you don't have full possession of the facts and just have office gossip...
 
Originally posted by: Nik

You have a pretty twisted understanding of Christianity. Probably fed by other anti-religious boneheads. You read into their lies 🙁
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I lost a friend to Christianity. He's a born-again now and he tells me that he needs to stay away from "worldly" people. When he does come by, it's just to "save" me.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: mugs

They're intolerant because they believe in their own religion? 😕
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No, they're intolerant because they believe in a religion that considers other people to be lesser. You can't say that you don't. In your religion, the great afterlife is reserved only for Christians. Everyone else gets sent to hell. And yet, you still say that your God loves these people (who he's sending to hell to burn forever) more than anyone else possibly can.

Can't you see how twisted that is?
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Sounds like you're kind of intolerant of religion in general, because most religions do have a concept of an afterlife with good and bad outcomes... This is political correctness run amok - religions can no longer teach that there's any benefit to belonging to their religion.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Nik

You have a pretty twisted understanding of Christianity. Probably fed by other anti-religious boneheads. You read into their lies 🙁
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I lost a friend to Christianity. He's a born-again now and he tells me that he needs to stay away from "worldly" people. When he does come by, it's just to "save" me.
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and that is where your distorted views come from. whoever "saved" him is filling his mind with ignorant blather just as he is doing to you. speak with someone educated in the faith and then form your opinion. listening to people who say things that are obviously absurd is not doing anyone any good.
 
Well the converstion I saw the person involved in, be it it was a long time ago in a different office then his current one. Went like this. Christian preached beliefs to him. He stated his beliefs, adding that said christian might be better served to actually practice what they preach. Offering to debate the subject further outside work, even at the christians church if they so chose. He wasnt the type to try to ridicule someone for thier beliefs, but he will point out the holes in your logic if you preach to him. I worked with him for 9 months, I never saw him start those conversations, it was always in responce.



Blade
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Nik

You have a pretty twisted understanding of Christianity. Probably fed by other anti-religious boneheads. You read into their lies 🙁
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I lost a friend to Christianity. He's a born-again now and he tells me that he needs to stay away from "worldly" people. When he does come by, it's just to "save" me.
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He's doing it wrong.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Nik

You have a pretty twisted understanding of Christianity. Probably fed by other anti-religious boneheads. You read into their lies 🙁
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I lost a friend to Christianity. He's a born-again now and he tells me that he needs to stay away from "worldly" people. When he does come by, it's just to "save" me.
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That's retarded. The "guidance" he's getting is COMPLETELY wrong. Christ didn't come to save those who were already saved, he came to save those who weren't saved. He didn't hang around only the saved. He was almost constantly with the very "worldly" people that your friend has been brainwashed into thinking he needs to avoid.

See, it's people like those who are "guiding" your friend that turn others away from Christianity. Those "leaders" are grossly misrepresenting the religion and it seriously fvcks up everyone else's view on it because they're the ones out on the corner preaching heaven and hell and screaming at people that they're sinners and need to repent. I hate those bastards with a passion. They have absolutely NO CLUE what Christ teaches. If they did, they'd be living their lives like Christ did and not some tele-evangelist cruisading against non-Christians.

It's disheartening to hear about folks who are lost to twisted versions of Christianity like your friend was 🙁
 
Originally posted by: Blade0
Well the converstion I saw the person involved in, be it it was a long time ago in a different office then his current one. Went like this. Christian preached beliefs to him. He stated his beliefs, adding that said christian might be better served to actually practice what they preach. Offering to debate the subject further outside work, even at the christians church if they so chose. He wasnt the type to try to ridicule someone for thier beliefs, but he will point out the holes in your logic if you preach to him. I worked with him for 9 months, I never saw him start those conversations, it was always in responce.



Blade
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Please don't troll. Your profile shows you don't even live in the same city as the OP.
 

Please don't troll. Your profile shows you don't even live in the same city as the OP.


Brainiac i have know OP for 16 years lol.....Big companies span nations.


Blade
 
two wrongs dont necessarily make it right but it all depends how things went down. if he fired ex-employee was steered into that conversation by another christian employee or SO ridiculing him first then he has all the right to fire back at them; if anything, its the one who initiated the conversation that needs to be punished if at all. you may argue all you want, but my experience tells me even the ones who claim to be the least fundamentalist tend to preach time to time or have a condescending attitudes in regards of the religeous issue. i am not saying all christians do it, just most ones i have come in contact with. they may have not noticed it, but if it makes folks with different believes uneasy, then they arent exactly too respectful. ridiculing someone for his or her belief still doesnt sound right, but firing someone just becauze of that (supposedely) isolated incident seems somewhat out of the line. had he been ridiculing minorities, ATOT would have backed him up saying stuff like "oh, they say all they want on BET..." all that of course, is just based on speculations added to OP's brief summary of the situation. Not enough information is given to judge if he deserved the pink slip or not.
 
Originally posted by: Blade0

Please don't troll. Your profile shows you don't even live in the same city as the OP.


Brainiac i have know OP for 16 years lol.....Big companies span nations.


Blade
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I was thinking that was the answer. Vic, you never cease to amaze me. You know squat about the situation, and would rather call someone a troll than accept any input that you would disagree with.

 
I'm all for free speach and whatever, but in the workplace : you need to be professional, and i'm not sure spouting out anti-religious crap just cause you can is very professional. Sure you CAN say that stuff but clearly it could lead to getting your ass canned.

this whole topic just seems to encite flames since DurocShock you yourself admit you dont know all the details and that you admit your coworker repeatedly said anti-religious things. Hopefully your coworker wasn't wrongly terminated, but from those two statements you made, i have a hard time seeing a defendable position. Sure YOU wern't offended but joeschmoe was. And that is that. His feelings matter no less then yours just because you dont see why.

ps : not ridiculing individuals, just formal religions as a defense is kinda silly. And ridiculing a religion is vastly different then having an icon of that religion.

the pc thing in the work places has gone a bit far : but in this case? i'm going to have to say that perhaps your coworker should have just shut his mouth.
 
Originally posted by: skyking
Originally posted by: Blade0
Please don't troll. Your profile shows you don't even live in the same city as the OP.


Brainiac i have know OP for 16 years lol.....Big companies span nations.


Blade
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I was thinking that was the answer. Vic, you never cease to amaze me. You know squat about the situation, and would rather call someone a troll than accept any input that you would disagree with.
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Actually, I was fishing for the response he (rather conveniently) gave to confirm a hunch I had. Thanks for your own assumptions and negative comments though. Per my hunch, I know just which company this is... my company does business with it every day.

As to my own personal opinions, those are pretty much right in-line with oogabooga's last post. I don't like PC, but I do think the workplace should be professional, and not a place for airing personal beliefs. I also question Duroc's motives for creating this thread when he himself admits he knows very little about the details of what happened. That's all.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: skyking
Originally posted by: Blade0
Please don't troll. Your profile shows you don't even live in the same city as the OP.


Brainiac i have know OP for 16 years lol.....Big companies span nations.


Blade
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I was thinking that was the answer. Vic, you never cease to amaze me. You know squat about the situation, and would rather call someone a troll than accept any input that you would disagree with.
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Actually, I was fishing for the response he (rather conveniently) gave to confirm a hunch I had. Thanks for your own assumptions and negative comments though. Per my hunch, I know just which company this is... my company does business with it every day.

As to my own personal opinions, those are pretty much right in-line with oogabooga's last post. I don't like PC, but I do think the workplace should be professional, and not a place for airing personal beliefs. I always question Duroc's motives for creating this thread when he himself admits he knows very little about the details of what happened. That's all.
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seems reasonable to me
 

**seems reasonable to me

Calling someone a troll to try to fish for random info that you think you know?

I didnt go name calling.


Blade
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Stefan
If someone wants to have a cross at their office/cubicle that is fine. They are not insulting or hurting anyone and it is not offensive.
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You can be damn sure that if someone had a darwin fish on their desk, they'd get complaints about it. Yet when someone has a "Jesus fish" on their desk, they say it's a positive thing.
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The thing with the darwin fish (although I really don't have a problem with it either) is that it is taking something that is close to the hearts of christians and essentially making a joke or mockery of it, which is along the same lines as outwordly mocking or ridiculing a christian for their beliefs.

You have no idea how many fights I've had with my GF over me wanting to put a darwin fish bumper sticker on my car. After a great deal of time I can understand why I shouldn't put one on.
 
Originally posted by: Blade0

**seems reasonable to me

Calling someone a troll to try to fish for random info that you think you know?

I didnt go name calling.


Blade
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way to take it out of context you moron. i dont care if you call me out for name-calling...it isnt important to me. i quoted a specific post and said it seemed reasonable. if you want to stick up for your moronic friend that got fired and the even dumber one that started this thread, that is your call. have a nice day.
 
More name calling so nice.

My point to you was by putting you quotes on him you validated his calling me a troll for no reason. Then rather than say you where talking about something else.(not the calling me a troll, wich you quoted. You resort to more name calling way to show you intelegence in your argument.

My post was only to give a little depth to the person involved, from my personal experience with him. Help people see a better window.

Obviously its to much for some people and namecalling must insue....lol I just think its funny that you think it helps prove a point?


Blade
 
The real question is would you want a duschbag like this guy working in your own office? The answer, quite plainly is no. Religion is not the issue here. You can't have people that don't get along with/antagonize otherrs. Period.
 
Originally posted by: DurocShark
I don't have the whole story, mostly because management isn't talking. But it seems someone got offended by this coworker's repeated statements of his Athiest views and occasional ridicule of formal religions.

Obviously he isn't quiet about his views, but it really ticks me off that someone is so thin skinned and threatened by someone who believes differently that they would call HR and claim "hostile work environment" over religion.
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Occasional ridicule of black people ? Occasional ridicule of gays ? Occasional ridicule of women ? Occasional ridicule of stupid management ? ;p

Why is religion, or lack thereof, considered a safe topic to be insulting about ?

 
Originally posted by: DurocShark
I don't have the whole story, mostly because management isn't talking. But it seems someone got offended by this coworker's repeated statements of his Athiest views and occasional ridicule of formal religions.

Obviously he isn't quiet about his views, but it really ticks me off that someone is so thin skinned and threatened by someone who believes differently that they would call HR and claim "hostile work environment" over religion.

:|

EDIT: It seems quite a few of you can't read. I never said he ridiculed any individuals. Only religions themselves. And this was in conversations with other athiests. In my opinion it's NO different than religions icons or whatever people have all over their desks.
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That kind of discussion does not belong in the workplace at all. Management was right to fire the guy.
 
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