You are not good at this, LikeLinus. Let me rebut you segment by segment.
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Dude, are you on something? I said he isn't a college boy and he's a fully legal adult. Yes, those two statements were made by the same person?
Ok, you obviously missed something here. Let's summarize:
Me: It's similar to a college student getting a noise violation
You: He's not a 19 year old college kid, he's an adult!
Me: You're a legal adult at 18, why do you think they're subject to different rule sets?
You: He's a legal adult, he has to follow the rules!
Me:
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You: God, why don't you understand! He's not a college kid, therefore he is subject to the rules!
Get it yet? You yourself said that he is a LEGAL adult, and yet you refute my college analogy. You are contradicting yourself by continuing down both of these routes. If you'd chosen a more philosophical standpoint, and said that as a 25 year old he should be more mature than a college student, you would at least have an argument. However, you continue to use the legal adult standpoint, which is, sadly, rather irrelevant to your own argument.
Perhaps now that I've laid out your argument for you, you can actually make it. Wouldn't make much sense though, now would it?
"if this were anyone else" Man, you really are stupid. This isn't a situation of "if, ands or buts". He is Pacman Jones and has been in trouble with the law over 7 times. He was asked by his own team several weeks ago to stay outta the spotlight. Yet this idiot continues to pick fights and get in trouble with the law.
"Look at it from an absolute value"
Here's the thing. He's out for 4 games. Say all you want and try to act cool and protect Pacman. Your team sucks and they are idiots for trading for Pacman. Titans obvious made out with a good deal out of trading this loser. Now Deeko, resident idiot cowboy, is stuck with this loser for the season. Good trade and good game!!!
So from an absolute value standpoint, Cowboys are idiots for trading for him. You're now left with the damage goods that the Titans were smart enough to get ride of. Jerry Jones, who you going to trade for now?
Ok, now you're drifting. For starters - have you refuted my statement, that another player in this situation would not have received the same punishment? No, you have not. You are then agreeing with me that this is a SUBJECTIVE call, which is the point of this thread.
I'm going to repeat again, since seemingly you haven't understood. This thread is about the NFL fining Jerry Jones and the Cowboys over this incident. Any discussion of Pacman itself is simply to prove that it is a subjective call, about which it would appear you agree with.
On another side note you've brought into the situation - the Cowboys being idiots to trade for him. The Cowboys gave the Titans a 4th round pick for Pacman. However, there was a stipulation in the trade that if he got in trouble again, they got a 5th round pick from the Titans. So what is the net result? The Cowboys took a risk on a potentially great player, they only paid him the minimum salary, and the worst that could happen is they slide down slightly from the 4th to the 5th.
You're right - that was a TERRIBLE decision! How could Jerry Jones be soooo stupid? I mean, taking a risk of falling down about 30 spots in the 5th round, with the potential reward of a 1st round caliber player. Not to mention all the Pacman jerseys the team inevitably sold between then and now. Yea....someone teach Mr Jones some business sense!
To answer your final question in this segment - who will he trade for now? I'm pretty sure he just traded for Roy Williams. The addition of Roy to the offense outweighs the loss of Pacman to the defense, especially considering that the Cowboys bolstered their CB position in the draft this past year.
It's not e-insults, it's the facts. You're an idiot if you believe any of the shit you are spewing. Pacman is a waste of talent. Live with it little boy.
Yes, that statement is from me. You don't need to quote it to look cool.
I understood your post and the original OT. You went on to say "However, in a case such as Pacman's current situation, there obviously was a subjective call made, considering no arrest was made and no charges were filed. That was entirely my point. "
It's not a subjective call, that's why you're an idiot. He was told by the NFL and his own team to STAY OUT OF TROUBLE. He had the cops called on him and that's it. He's out for 4 games and he gets what he deserves. It was the right call because of his previous run-ins with the law and he's too stupid to listen to the league/team management.
Good luck with that whole Cowboys win the Super Bowl dream. LOL hahahaha
It is subjective. I've already proven to you why it is subjective. The entire conduct policy, and when to enforce it, is absolutely subjective. Marvin Harrison is under investigation for shooting someone in Philadelphia. He has not been suspended. You're on this whole "legal adults need to obey the law and understand they represent the league" kick, he may have shot a man. Last time I checked, that ranks a bit higher on the crime index than a noise complaint. So, if when to suspend someone is definitive and not a judgment call, who was wearing #88 and catching touchdowns against Baltimore last week? Surely not Harrison!
Are the pieces starting to fall together now? You understand why this is a subjective call? Good. Now, since I've thoroughly dismantled you in every aspect, while you threw around insults and contradicted yourself, you're free to slink out of the thread. I'm sure you won't, I'm sure you'll respond with more BS, but that's ok. The guy who can't have a rational argument without flinging insults, who then refers to the other party as the one who must be a kid, clearly is not capable of learning when to back down. So try again. Point out that the police decided not to investigate the Harrison issue further. Repeat what I've already said that Pacman is a repeat offender and therefore is subject to different rules. Somehow find a way to contradict yourself more on the whole college students following the law issue. Keep calling me an idiot. Laugh hysterically at the Cowboys chances this year, despite the fact that they're 4-2 and still in very good shape.
Actually, I guess you don't need to respond, since I just basically paraphrased exactly what your response would have been.
edit: I was wondering why you got so absurdly upset over this issue, further investigation shows that you're a Titans fan. Awwww....that's cute, LikeLinus. He broke your little heart, betrayed you. I forgive you for your above indiscretions. Those scorned tend to act irrationally and without thought :brokenheart: It'll be ok, I promise!
