• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Cowboys fined for Pacman suspensions

Deeko

Deeko

Lifer
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3649491

So apparently the league can now fine a team a portion of a suspended player's salary.

I do not like this rule, and I don't say that as a Cowboys fan, I say that as a football fan. Jerry Jones can afford it. What I don't like is that now, in cases that aren't cut and dry, the league has ulterior motives in determining if a player should be suspended or not.

I really don't like Roger Goodell and a LOT of the things he's done since taking over the league.
 
I do like it. This should help convince teams that the character of the players they draft and sign does matter. IF they continually take chances on players with bad reputations, then they deserve to pay a price when that player turns around and breaks the league substance abuse or behavior policies.

Cincinnati better look out or they may be paying more to the league than to their players.
 
Originally posted by: D1gger
I do like it. This should help convince teams that the character of the players they draft and sign does matter. IF they continually take chances on players with bad reputations, then they deserve to pay a price when that player turns around and breaks the league substance abuse or behavior policies.

Cincinnati better look out or they may be paying more to the league than to their players.
Click to expand...

Seriously... they need to start a bail bond company just to recoup the losses from the fines theyll be getting.
 
Yea, that's the league's stated intentions - but teams with money don't really care about that. Clearly, they were intending to pay that player the salary anyway, so they aren't taking much of a financial hit. I don't really trust that that's why they REALLY did it.
 
The fines lately are fucking insane. Polamalu was right about the NFL being retarded with fine. Although he looked like a dope when he said that they were doing it to make money.
 
The league doesn't get the money from fines, it goes to charity, typically the Human Fund.

Also, the fines only start tolling when your team has two or more players suspended for OFF FIELD activity, steroid/drug use, or violations of the Personal Conduct Code. It's not like they're telling Ed Hochuli to get someone riled up so the league can suspend them and take the team's money.
 
How is this news? That policy has been in effect Aug 1st. Without it, the salary forfeited by any suspended player will be lining the owner's pocket, which is worse.
 
Originally posted by: chuckywang
How is this news? That policy has been in effect Aug 1st. Without it, the salary forfeited by any suspended player will be lining the owner's pocket, which is worse.
Click to expand...

How is this news....because it's the first time it's been enforced? Because clearly I disagree with the rule? You don't read good, son.

The league doesn't get the money from fines, it goes to charity, typically the Human Fund.

Also, the fines only start tolling when your team has two or more players suspended for OFF FIELD activity, steroid/drug use, or violations of the Personal Conduct Code. It's not like they're telling Ed Hochuli to get someone riled up so the league can suspend them and take the team's money.
Click to expand...
I hear that from time to time, but I've yet to see anything official from the NFL about this charity process. Your second point is moot to the subject.
 
Originally posted by: sactoking
The league doesn't get the money from fines, it goes to charity, typically the Human Fund.

Also, the fines only start tolling when your team has two or more players suspended for OFF FIELD activity, steroid/drug use, or violations of the Personal Conduct Code. It's not like they're telling Ed Hochuli to get someone riled up so the league can suspend them and take the team's money.
Click to expand...

Is there really a human fund? I thought that was just George Costanza bullshitting....

I agree with OP about Goodell.
 
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: sactoking
The league doesn't get the money from fines, it goes to charity, typically the Human Fund.

Also, the fines only start tolling when your team has two or more players suspended for OFF FIELD activity, steroid/drug use, or violations of the Personal Conduct Code. It's not like they're telling Ed Hochuli to get someone riled up so the league can suspend them and take the team's money.
Click to expand...

Is there really a human fund? I thought that was just George Costanza bullshitting....

I agree with OP about Goodell.
Click to expand...

Oh that Kruger.

I have heard the charity thing from other sources, although the charity is usually something more recognizable.
 
Originally posted by: buck
Is there really a human fund? I thought that was just George Costanza bullshitting....
Click to expand...

'The Human Fund' is parlance for "it goes to charity, but we don't know which one". The NFL discloses neither the total amount of fines levied nor the destination charity(ies) for those fines. Considering the money funding those contributions isn't voluntarily given, that's probably for the best.

Originally posted by: Deeko
Your second point is moot to the subject.
Click to expand...

You stated that the league had a conflict of interest in determining suspensions for borderline cases. I pointed out that the only cases involved were for off-field, steroid/drug, or Personal Conduct violations. The league can't target players or teams for suspension, since the league can't force Mike Vick to run an illegal dogfighting ring or Adam Jones to 'make it rain' or Shawne Merriman to hit the juice. If anything, the league has incentive to NOT levy punishment in borderline cases, as the PR hit is much worse than the nominal fine they may collect.

Oh, and you used 'moot' in the exact opposite way you intended to. Just thought I'd point that out.
 
Clearly you did not comprehend my post about the conflict of interest. Obviously if someone did drugs, they get suspended, that's about as cut and dry as it can be. However, in a case such as Pacman's current situation, there obviously was a subjective call made, considering no arrest was made and no charges were filed. That was entirely my point.

My usage of the word moot was apt. Read definition 2, and stop posting frivolous garbage.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moot
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
However, in a case such as Pacman's current situation, you'd have to be a fucking idiot to think that Pacman isn't guilty as charge. He's a low life thug that should be kicked out of the league.[/L]
Click to expand...

Fixed.
 
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: Deeko
However, in a case such as Pacman's current situation, you'd have to be a fucking idiot to think that Pacman isn't guilty as charge. He's a low life thug that should be kicked out of the league.[/L]
Click to expand...

Fixed.
Click to expand...

Guilty as charged....so.....guilty of nothing then? You're familiar with the situation, I assume. He was not charged with ANYTHING. Also, to quell any ridiculous thoughts that the Dallas police is biased, his probation officer in Georgia also determined nothing was wrong.

I'm so happy you agree with me!
 
Originally posted by: D1gger
I do like it. This should help convince teams that the character of the players they draft and sign does matter. IF they continually take chances on players with bad reputations, then they deserve to pay a price when that player turns around and breaks the league substance abuse or behavior policies.

Cincinnati better look out or they may be paying more to the league than to their players.
Click to expand...

:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Originally posted by: Deeko
However, in a case such as Pacman's current situation, you'd have to be a fucking idiot to think that Pacman isn't guilty as charge. He's a low life thug that should be kicked out of the league.[/L]
Click to expand...

Fixed.
Click to expand...

Guilty as charged....so.....guilty of nothing then? You're familiar with the situation, I assume. He was not charged with ANYTHING. Also, to quell any ridiculous thoughts that the Dallas police is biased, his probation officer in Georgia also determined nothing was wrong.

I'm so happy you agree with me!
Click to expand...

This piece of shit has walked from EVERY charge or non-charge against him. You're a tool for thinking he's innocent. Did the Cowboys not just ask him to not participate in some public appearance? How many run-ins with the law has this POS had? It's aholes that keep giving him slack and thinking he's not guilty. He's been suspended AGAIN by the NFL. You can be a fanboy idiot and think there's nothing wrong with this, but he got the cops called on him again. It's pathetic that he's allowed to make millions of dollars to do what, get suspended and act like an asshat in public?

HE COULDN'T EVEN GO 6 WEEKS INTO THE NFL SEASON WITHOUT THE POLICE BEING CALLED ON HIM.

The NFL has a conduct policy for a reason. Why I had 8 run-ins with the law, do you think my company would keep me? He's been given multiple changes and he's not mature enough to handle real life. Kick him outta the NFL and move on.
 
He wasn't even CHARGED with anything. The incident was nothing, it was essentially a noise violation. Go to a college campus on a Friday night, there are probably 50 noise violations an hour. It was clearly blown out of proportion by Goodell. Yes, yes, he should have been "squeeky clean" given his post history, but this literally was a non-incident.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
He wasn't even CHARGED with anything. The incident was nothing, it was essentially a noise violation. Go to a college campus on a Friday night, there are probably 50 noise violations an hour. It was clearly blown out of proportion by Goodell. Yes, yes, he should have been "squeeky clean" given his post history, but this literally was a non-incident.
Click to expand...

Are you stupid? THIS ISN'T COLLEGE. He's a GROWN MAN and disturbing the peace. This isn't some 19 year old college kid. Pacman has been told by the NFL to straighten his shit up. He's too thug to do so. This ahole has the cops called on him, involved in shootings and all shorts of crazy shit. And you want to sit here and defend him?

Are all cowboy fans this insane? Again, the NFL has a CONDUCT POLICY. He has been given multiple changes and was warned by his own team recently to keep a low profile. But, he couldn't even do that? What was he doing in that hotel? Why is he now going into rehab?

http://www.dallasnews.com/shar...spopacman.3dfddc8.html

You're right, I guess he's a stand up guy and I'm all wrong.
 
You're right - he's 25, he's SO MUCH OLDER than a 22 year old college senior. And I didn't know the law discriminated on age, ya fucking genius. Legal adult is legal adult.

Secondly, you're missing the point. HE DIDN'T BREAK THE LAW. HE WAS CHARGED WITH NO CRIME. HIS PROBATION OFFICER DID NOT FEEL HE WAS IN VIOLATION OF HIS PROBATION. He did nothing wrong. I never said he's a standup guy. I said Goodell overreacted on this issue. And on top of that, to fine the Cowboys for it is even worse.

I already prefaced that this has nothing to do with me being a Cowboys fan. I have publicly criticized Goodell on a lot of issues, here on these forums, that had nothing to do with Dallas. He is a terrible commissioner, which is the point of this thread.
 
It's kind of like leaving work wearing your work uniform and acting like a jackass. Whether you like it not you are still representing your place of work and can be punished for it in some way regardless of whether you were charged with anything.

Unfortunately for Pacman, errrr ADAM, he wears his uniform all the time just because of who he is and what he has done. The NFL is just protecting its product.
 
Originally posted by: Deeko
You're right - he's 25, he's SO MUCH OLDER than a 22 year old college senior. And I didn't know the law discriminated on age, ya fucking genius. Legal adult is legal adult.

Secondly, you're missing the point. HE DIDN'T BREAK THE LAW. HE WAS CHARGED WITH NO CRIME. HIS PROBATION OFFICER DID NOT FEEL HE WAS IN VIOLATION OF HIS PROBATION. He did nothing wrong. I never said he's a standup guy. I said Goodell overreacted on this issue. And on top of that, to fine the Cowboys for it is even worse.

I already prefaced that this has nothing to do with me being a Cowboys fan. I have publicly criticized Goodell on a lot of issues, here on these forums, that had nothing to do with Dallas. He is a terrible commissioner, which is the point of this thread.
Click to expand...

For some reason you're not bright enough to realize that this guy is a MAN, making millions of dollars for an organization. There's a reason why teams have codes of conduct and he has broken the rules. You're an idiot - It's more than apparent.

Let me break it down to you this way. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT LAWS HE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BROKEN. He was asked by his organization and the NFL to not participate in anything that may be deemed harmful to his image and the image of the NFL. It is a JOB, I do not care about his age. He is 25 years old, which is a fully legal ADULT, and is working a JOB. Maybe you're just an idiot who doesn't understand that he is working for this club and represents them, but they have the rights to suspend him for conduct they see unfit.

Honestly? You appear to be a high school kid without the understanding that there are consequences to his conduct. He accepted these terms when he SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH AN NFL CLUB. He has been given many changes and told by his team to tone his act down. They have the legal right to suspend him without pay for his actions.

You should remove your head from your ass and learn that the NFL is a business. He's a piece of shit and he's prove that time and time again.
 
...you sit there and toss unwarranted e-tough-guy insults, when you still don't have the ability to comprehend what this thread is even about. Keep it going kid, you're doing great!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Back
Top