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blackangst1 said:
Lighten up dude. Im a type 1 diabetic and have been having shots for 55 years. So that aint me.
I have travelled to 13 countries and have been vaxxed for every trip so that aint me.

Not sure who youre preaching to.
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The guy who is saying he won’t get a free booster shot that will offer him significant protection from a highly contagious and highly unpleasant, potentially deadly virus.

There’s no reason not to get it outside of tribal identity, and that’s irrational.
 
fskimospy said:
The guy who is saying he won’t get a free booster shot that will offer him significant protection from a highly contagious and highly unpleasant, potentially deadly virus.

There’s no reason not to get it outside of tribal identity, and that’s irrational.
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Thanks for the lecture doc.
 
Paratus said:
2 simple questions. In a hypothetical situation where 100% of population is vaccinated but breakthrough infections and deaths are possible what percentage of deaths are in vaccinated individuals?
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Yeah is there a way to look at all the various policies used worldwide to find the best balance to handle this virus. Obviously the free for all in red southern states are a complete failure. But strict measures used in China still can’t contain it. What are Brazil and India doing to get such low “reported” new positive cases these past few weeks? Is the only option is to isolate like island nations that can place extreme limitations on travellers to prevent importing new cases?
 
weblooker2021 said:
Even in the state like California. Here is a photo i took in studio city theme park when i took my kids there in the beginning of the month. The reality is business don't care.
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I’m sure some businesses don’t care but in New York enforcement is very high, I would say at least 90%.
 
weblooker2021 said:
Yes it's a number game but what you don't understand is that it do not last long. The reality is that booster last around 2-3 months at most and then you would need another one. There is a reason why some countries now recommending booster after 3 months.
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Boosters last a lot longer, but we don't have a booster for Omicron yet. Therefore, we are relying on the very weak protection we get from the vaccines that were made for the wild type. As soon as we get an Omicron booster, it will last much longer than 2-3 months.

eikelbijter said:
The problem is you're not even CLOSE to 80% protected from infection, not even with Delta, but ESPECIALLY with Omicron. It's closer to 10% 6 months after vaccination.
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As soon as we get an Omicron booster, it will last much longer and be much more effective.
 
dullard said:
Boosters last a lot longer, but we don't have a booster for Omicron yet. Therefore, we are relying on the very weak protection we get from the vaccines that were made for the wild type. As soon as we get an Omicron booster, it will last much longer than 2-3 months.


As soon as we get an Omicron booster, it will last much longer and be much more effective.
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I see 2 issue with that argument. 1) We are now talking about 4th booster? So what happens when new variant will hit, it's not a question if but only when do you suggest everyone get 5th? etc 2) More booster be recommended less people will be getting it. Flu vaccine which is only required once a year and only around 50% of population get it and that was before vaccine became political. Covid is endemic, might as well accept that.
 
weblooker2021 said:
I see 2 issue with that argument. 1) We are now talking about 4th booster? So what happens when new variant will hit, it's not a question if but only when do you suggest everyone get 5th? etc 2) More booster be recommended less people will be getting it. Flu vaccine which is only required once a year and only around 50% of population get it and that was before vaccine became political. Covid is endemic, might as well accept that.
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Correct. And the CDC will change its opinion every other month anyway.
 
weblooker2021 said:
I see 2 issue with that argument. 1) We are now talking about 4th booster? So what happens when new variant will hit, it's not a question if but only when do you suggest everyone get 5th? etc 2) More booster be recommended less people will be getting it. Flu vaccine which is only required once a year and only around 50% of population get it and that was before vaccine became political. Covid is endemic, might as well accept that.
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What if it’s the 20th booster? Who cares? Anyone who isn’t a child shouldn’t give a shit about the occasional shot.
 
eelw said:
Yeah is there a way to look at all the various policies used worldwide to find the best balance to handle this virus. Obviously the free for all in red southern states are a complete failure. But strict measures used in China still can’t contain it. What are Brazil and India doing to get such low “reported” new positive cases these past few weeks? Is the only option is to isolate like island nations that can place extreme limitations on travellers to prevent importing new cases?
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That is one silver lining, is it gives us some info to work with, since there's a good likelihood we'll be facing down worse pandemics in the future. Unfortunately it looks like we'd fail miserably, and that with a worse one there's far too many humans that will behave in incredibly assholic and selfish ways that will fuck over far more people than just themselves.
 
weblooker2021 said:
I see 2 issue with that argument. 1) We are now talking about 4th booster? So what happens when new variant will hit, it's not a question if but only when do you suggest everyone get 5th? etc 2) More booster be recommended less people will be getting it. Flu vaccine which is only required once a year and only around 50% of population get it and that was before vaccine became political. Covid is endemic, might as well accept that.
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We can prevent that, you only need to help encourage people to be boosted and we can end this pandemic.

Or, you can choose to make it last forever.
 
manly said:
You're making the same mistake you did earlier. This is a lifetime model, you need to remember we started in February 2020 with zero surveillance testing. So over time, the ratio of total infections to lab-confirmed cases has been dropping. The 4:1 ratio is not static at all.

IIRC CDC is actually on record as saying that nowadays the ratio is in the neighborhood of 2:1. It is almost certainly not as high as 3:1, but I would consider that a worst case scenario. My point is you can't just hand wave and claim there probably were 10M breakthrough infections when there is no data to support that claim. To be fair, if you guessed 5M, that would be a reasonable estimate for that time period.
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2:1 for VACCINATED people? Can you show me where they say that, or is it about unvaccinated people? What IS the effectiveness percentage of the vaccine on preventing death? Isn't it >99.9%?
 
dullard said:
Boosters last a lot longer, but we don't have a booster for Omicron yet. Therefore, we are relying on the very weak protection we get from the vaccines that were made for the wild type. As soon as we get an Omicron booster, it will last much longer than 2-3 months.


As soon as we get an Omicron booster, it will last much longer and be much more effective.
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When we get an Omicron booster IT will offer sterilizing protection for longer, UNTIL the next variant which is only a matter of time.

Bottom line is, we can mandate boosters every 6 months, which will NEVER fly, as evidenced by the sheer number of people still not even vaccinated to begin with (mind you, I AM fully vaccinated and have recommend to multiple dear friends that they SHOULD get the jab), or we can realize that we can NOT contain this virus or its variants and encourage those who want to get it, to do so. It's important to be realistic, and at some point a carrot works FAR better than a stick.

When more than 5 million Americans have already been infected AFTER being fully vaccinated, in 7 months or so, and more than 15 thousand of those have died, we simply cannot blame the continuance of this pandemic on the unvaccinated, which is what keeps happening OVER and OVER.
 
eelw said:
Yeah is there a way to look at all the various policies used worldwide to find the best balance to handle this virus. Obviously the free for all in red southern states are a complete failure.
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I don't really agree with that, the numbers just don't support that statement. I we just look at the number of deaths per million, LA County has done about the same as Florida as a whole, 2600 deaths per million, versus 2900. Now if you correct that for age, mortality is about the same. Meanwhile, we've been wearing masks for 17 months!
 
eikelbijter said:
Who cares? I do and every single friend of mine who is a doctor does. It's preposterous to pretend there's no number of shots that's unreasonable, and mind-numbingly foolish.
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Any doctor who is against shots just because of an arbitrary number is a quack. I am not for jumping headfirst into any shot they tell me I need, I will judge each booster based on the data and risk, but to simply say - more than an initial dose is just bad is stupid as hell. Multiple very successful vaccines need 3-4 shots. I mean these people are ridiculous.
 
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