Covidiots thread

[eikelbijter]

It is a numbers game, like I posted to you above. Black and white is not the way to look at it.

Suppose I am vaxxed and am 80% protected. But now suppose the people I deal with are vaxxed and are also 80% protected. Now my protection goes up to 1-(1-0.8)^2 = 96%. Now suppose the people they were exposed to were vaxxed, then my protection becomes 1-(1-0.8)^3 = 99.2%. Etc. The more that are vaxxed, the more likely that it becomes impossible to catch it.

The problem is you're not even CLOSE to 80% protected from infection, not even with Delta, but ESPECIALLY with Omicron. It's closer to 30% 6 months after vaccination.

How Effective Are COVID-19 Vaccines Against Omicron?

Although it is too early to say for certain, initial estimates for the Pfizer vaccine and booster suggest up to 75 percent protection against coronavirus infection with the Omicron variant.

www.healthline.com

Another link to a news report from CBC, a pretty legitimate organization, no?

"Perknose" got on my case for saying 10% protection against reinfection, which I then changed to 30% after finding that first link, but the second makes my original assertion pretty resonable.



Please provide a credible link for this figure. Edit your post here to include it.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[blackangst1]

You have now spent more time broadcasting this on repeat to this forum than you would spend getting the booster for the rest of your life. Really weird that you seem to need this forum’s validation or something. No one gives a shit that you don’t want the shot, you can stop saying it over and over again like a broken record.

Thats not true. Look at all the posters who have jumped all over him. People care.

 

[weblooker2021]

You don’t have to stay home, but society doesn’t have to let you in most venues either.

Welcome to the reality, most venues don't care.

 

[manly]

"My ass"? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Did you follow the links? Is ABC News now fake news?

Not kidding at all. You speculated as to how many breakthrough infections were never confirmed by a lab PCR test, and your estimate is off. CDC has actually been modeling this for a very long time.

Here is their model for the entire lifetime of the pandemic up to September 2021:

Cases, Data, and Surveillance

Cases, data, and surveillance to track and analyze COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

 

[blackangst1]

You don’t have to stay home, but society doesn’t have to let you in most venues either.

Most? lulz

 

[fskimospy]

This is EXACTLY the fascist playbook, safety above EVERYTHING. Fact is, life is dangerous; we must COLLECTIVELY agree on what's reasonable and what isn't. Fact is, NOBODY is 100% "safe" and nothing is more dangerous than doing everything possible to get from 99.4% to 99.9%.

Think about driving, which kills 40 thousand people per year in the US. If we lower the maximum speed, the number of deaths goes down. Why don't we make the maximum 20 mph? Because the benefits don't outweigh the costs to society.

Remember guys, this guy says COVID mandates are fascism but other vaccine mandates aren’t fascism. Apparently he has a fascism rubric out there that he has so far declined to share, lol.

I wish for once people would take a minute to learn what fascism really is before saying stupid shit like this.

 

[blackangst1]

It is a numbers game, like I posted to you above. Black and white is not the way to look at it.

Suppose I am vaxxed and am 80% protected. But now suppose the people I deal with are vaxxed and are also 80% protected. Now my protection goes up to 1-(1-0.8)^2 = 96%. Now suppose the people they were exposed to were vaxxed, then my protection becomes 1-(1-0.8)^3 = 99.2%. Etc. The more that are vaxxed, the more likely that it becomes impossible to catch it.

Not with Omicron.

 

[eikelbijter]

Then please stay home, that is your choice not to be involved with society.

The problem is YOU don't get to decide what society is exactly. It's a collective.

 

[weblooker2021]

Remember guys, this guy says COVID mandates are fascism but other vaccine mandates aren’t fascism. Apparently he has a fascism rubric out there that he has so far declined to share, lol.

I wish for once people would take a minute to learn what fascism really is before saying stupid shit like this.

What other vaccine mandates is required for adults?

 

[fskimospy]

Most? lulz

Yep! That’s the case in increasing numbers of cities nationwide.

Freedom is both the ability to make your own choice and an acceptance of the consequences of that choice. People like weblooker just want all the freedom and none of the responsibility, which is just indulgence.

 

[eikelbijter]

Remember guys, this guy says COVID mandates are fascism but other vaccine mandates aren’t fascism. Apparently he has a fascism rubric out there that he has so far declined to share, lol.

I wish for once people would take a minute to learn what fascism really is before saying stupid shit like this.

You keep making fun of it, even though you have already demonstrated your COMPLETE lack of reading comprehension in previous posts, but people much smarter than you and me feel the same way I do, so it's not as ridiculous as you make it out to be.

You really need to learn to think a little more abstractly if you're going to be putting down folks in public because the fact alone that you can't seem to separate this vaccine mandate from others proofs your lack of critical thinking.

 

[blackangst1]

Remember guys, this guy says COVID mandates are fascism but other vaccine mandates aren’t fascism. Apparently he has a fascism rubric out there that he has so far declined to share, lol.

I wish for once people would take a minute to learn what fascism really is before saying stupid shit like this.

Did you know the first federal vaccine mandate was in 1809?

Biden wont do it because he's already stated there is no federal solution. So his solution is the same as Trumps: do nothing. Because like Trump, his suggestions have been blocked by federal court.

 

[K1052]

Remember guys, this guy says COVID mandates are fascism but other vaccine mandates aren’t fascism. Apparently he has a fascism rubric out there that he has so far declined to share, lol.

I wish for once people would take a minute to learn what fascism really is before saying stupid shit like this.

Not being allowed to eat at Olive Garden unvaccinated for COVID is basically Nazi Germany. Just common knowledge.

 

[fskimospy]

What other vaccine mandates is required for adults?

If you were born in this country attending school is compulsory and to do that you need to have about a dozen vaccinations. If you immigrate here we also require you to get a number of vaccinations. Yes, a truly committed person can avoid them but they are at least as strict as the COVID mandates in a practical sense.

So basically all those vaccines are mandated for adults because they were mandated when those adults were children.

Vaccination mandates have been a basic fact of life in America for many many decades now.

 

[weblooker2021]

Yep! That’s the case in increasing numbers of cities nationwide.

Freedom is both the ability to make your own choice and an acceptance of the consequences of that choice. People like weblooker just want all the freedom and none of the responsibility, which is just indulgence.

Should we count? Chicago, New York city, Los Angeles city, Seattle, West Hollywood, Culver City, San Francisco. I am not aware of any state having the mandate.

 

[fskimospy]

Did you know the first federal vaccine mandate was in 1809?

Biden wont do it because he's already stated there is no federal solution. So his solution is the same as Trumps: do nothing. Because like Trump, his suggestions have been blocked by federal court.

His solutions are not even remotely the same and it’s weird you would expect anyone to believe something so obviously false.

 

[brycejones]

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I never said otherwise.

who me? Lol

 

[weblooker2021]

If you were born in this country attending school is compulsory and to do that you need to have about a dozen vaccinations. If you immigrate here we also require you to get a number of vaccinations. Yes, a truly committed person can avoid them but they are at least as strict as the COVID mandates in a practical sense.

So basically all those vaccines are mandated for adults because they were mandated when those adults were children.

Vaccination mandates have been a basic fact of life in America for many many decades now.

Wrong, just wrong. https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/school-immunization-exemption-state-laws.aspx

 

[blackangst1]

Without arguing the details, I for one am totally open to doing ANYTHING that helps keep me and my family safe. It may not be perfect, but to do nothing is asinine. I am not saying you are arguing against it, but this sort of black and white thinking is what keeps people form doing anything.

Masks aren't perfect-don't wear masks at all.
Vaccine isn't perfect - don't get vaccinated.
Omicron is not totally stopped even with a booster - don't get a booster.

Without masks and vaccines, things would be infinitely worse, yet there are millions of people who would do nothing because it doesn'1t fix everything perfectly. Conservative brains are broken.

Biden doesnt have the answer either. Look what happened to his mandates. Anbd he said there is no federal solution. Its up to the states.

 

[fskimospy]

Not being allowed to eat at Olive Garden unvaccinated for COVID is basically Nazi Germany. Just common knowledge.

When they came for the unlimited salad and breadsticks I said nothing because who eats at Olive Garden.

When they came for the blooming onion I said nothing because that shit is like 4,000 calories.

When they came for the Mariner’s Feast I said nothing because I forgot Red Lobster existed…

 

[eikelbijter]

Not kidding at all. You speculated as to how many breakthrough infections were never confirmed by a lab PCR test, and your estimate is off. CDC has actually been modeling this for a very long time.

Here is their model for the entire lifetime of the pandemic up to September 2021:

Cases, Data, and Surveillance

Cases, data, and surveillance to track and analyze COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

OK, so their estimate is only 1 in 4 infections is reported. So even by that metric, 1.8 million (the number from the ABC article) times 4 is 7.2 million. Now this 1 in 4 is for ALL cases, including unvaccinated people, which are FAR more likely to have a bad disease outcome.

It's not unreasonable to think there are MORE unreported infections among vaccinated, don't you agree? Do you have a better estimate of how many breakthrough infections there have been so far?

 

[blackangst1]

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who me? Lol

Did I reply to you?

 

[fskimospy]

Wrong, just wrong. https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/school-immunization-exemption-state-laws.aspx

There are religious exemptions for COVID mandates as well and the places that don’t allow them are the same ones that don’t allow religious exemptions for the other vaccines either.

I’m pretty sure I already corrected you on this in the past, why did you try it again?

 

[fskimospy]

Biden doesnt have the answer either. Look what happened to his mandates. Anbd he said there is no federal solution. Its up to the states.

Uhmm, have you been following the news? As of today his legal victories mean mandates are going into place for about 2/3rds of the population in a month.

 

[eikelbijter]

Not being allowed to eat at Olive Garden unvaccinated for COVID is basically Nazi Germany. Just common knowledge.

Again, the level of childishness displayed here is mind-blowing, but par for the course. It's either all or nothing with you guys, a slippery slope doesn't even exist anymore, which in itself is more scary than this damn virus. Y'all have lost your minds....