Covidiots thread

[MichaelMay]

I'm not sure what your background is but, I think I'll trust Sir Andrew Pollard a little more than another "internet expert".

In a parliamentary panel on Tuesday, Professor Sir Andrew Pollard warned that herd immunity is a “mythical” concept and should not inform the design of vaccination programmes in the UK or across the globe.

“This virus is not measles – if you have 95 per cent of people vaccinated against measles, the virus cannot transmit in the population,” said Sir Andrew. “But we know very clearly with the coronavirus that the delta variant will still infect people who have been vaccinated, and that does mean that anyone who’s still unvaccinated, at some point, will meet the virus.”

He added that vaccines may slightly slow the transmission process, as there is some evidence that inoculated people are infectious for a shorter period of time, but warned “we don't have anything” which will completely halt the spread of Covid-19. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...-goal-will-never-reached-says-oxford-vaccine/

It still appears that we will not vaccinate our way out of this and we must put more focus on treatments and alternative prevention strategies.

I'm a biochemist and a molecular biologist, I specifically use viruses to reprogram parts of DNA structures or create specific proteins. I also developed a means to turn off genes or turn on other genes, epigenetic treatments were started because of my work.

I agree with Andrew on this, but 95% is unattainable with fucktards like yourself around so that won't happen.

Can herd immunity against Covid - 19 happen, ABSOLUTELY but it needs that level of vaccination.

You see the thing here is that there are mutations to the measles as well but since there is a herd immunity it doesn't spread. Vaccines diminish the viral load spread (that goes for ALL vaccines, vaccines are not a fucking force field surrounding your body, it WILL enter your body and you CAN spread it but the viral load you can spread is minuscule in both cases and with 95% vaccinated it will be fucking nothing within ONE generation of spread).

So, should we go for that or should we rely on your ignorance of everything you are trying to understand and failing miserably to do so?

 

[MichaelMay]

This post is a tour de force in failed analytical skills. I'm impressed.

Ignorance is... not all that impressive to me, wilful ignorance and the sliming out of positions previously held ... even less so.

But I know what you mean, sometimes people show ingenuity in their ways to avoid learning how reality is, in fact, real.

Still stupid as fuck.

 

[MtnMan]

Family gets kicked out of restaurant for wearing masks, Texas

Texas Restaurant Kicks Out Family for Wearing Masks to Protect Immunocompromised 4-Month-Old

The owner of Hang Time in Rowlett confirmed the family was thrown out because they were wearing masks.

www.thedailybeast.com

As they have an immunocompromised child, why choose that restaurant in the first place. Were they from out of town?

While on a business trip years ago, several of us went bar hopping. Inadvertently walked into a gay bar. Left quickly.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Not an idiot but he’s creating them

https://twitter.com/x/status/1440107390813212672

Will someone please allow Fuckers medical info be leaked. We seem to have a lot of Hospital workers and data people on this forum.
For the good of mankind let’s have a leak of what vaccinations and when Tucker has had them.

 

[pmv]

Not an idiot but he’s creating them

https://twitter.com/x/status/1440107390813212672

Damn, if only we'd been able to deploy a Tucker Carlson or a Fox News during the revolutionary war, we'd never have lost the colonies. One Tucker would have been as devastating as as ten thousand Hessian mercenaries.

Where did the article “George Washington and the First Mass Military Inoculation” go? - Ask a Librarian

www.loc.gov

"The point of mandatory inoculations is to identify the sincere Christians in the ranks, the freethinkers, the men with high testosterone levels, and anybody else who doesn’t love George Washington and make them leave immediately. It’s a takeover of the Revolutionary military!"

 

[uallas5]

Not an idiot but he’s creating them

https://twitter.com/x/status/1440107390813212672

"Super Patriot & Tough guy" Fucker Carlson proving, yet again, that he's never served nor would he have the mental fortitude to do so.

 

[gradoman]

Tell your partner, sorry for her loss. I'm not sure if it's still on the table, as a lot of COVID federal help has/is ending, but tell them to contact FEMA, they covered up to $9,000 of the funeral costs for my brother, as he died from COVID in June. You have to pay for it all and summit the receipts and stuff to get re-enbursed. My dad handled it all.

Thanks a lot.

 

[RY62]

I'm a biochemist and a molecular biologist, I specifically use viruses to reprogram parts of DNA structures or create specific proteins. I also developed a means to turn off genes or turn on other genes, epigenetic treatments were started because of my work.

I agree with Andrew on this, but 95% is unattainable with fucktards...

You actually seemed to be a person worth listening to up until this point.

 

[Justinus]

You actually seemed to be a person worth listening to up until this point.

And now we know he's a person worth listening to.

 

[dank69]

I assumed Minaj would have been out with a retraction and apology by now.
guess all the meta went to her ass, tits and none upstairs.

You can buy titty enhancement and ass enhancement but unfortunately we can't buy brain enhancement yet.

 

[dank69]

You actually seemed to be a person worth listening to up until this point.

Your ego will be the death of you. Nobody gives a shit about your ego except for you. The sooner you learn that the sooner you'll be free. In the meantime, reflect on the fact that your attitude is exactly the same as Breitbart's "the Dems used reverse psychology on us to kill us" bullshit.

 

[blckgrffn]

So I posted about my partner's cousin in the hospital with COVID a while back. It's been more than a month and he was intubated recently then died last night. Everyone is upset. My partner pleaded with her mom and aunt (mom of the cousin) to get vaccinated today, but both are still anti-vax. The cousin's sister was still posting anti- nonsense up until a few hours before her brother died.

Soon after, her profile picture and banner were all about her bro, with the typical RIP posts and then the sympathetic replies from friends and family. The mom even posted she's not sure why he had to go so soon. My eyes rolled so very hard.

When asked about what to do about the costs of a funeral in the case of a sudden COVID death, my partner's mom said she's going to start saving since she doesn't want to be a burden, but she will not be forced to get vaccinated. She has evidence that it is bad! (From a friend with Alzheimer's and the wackadoodle websites she's on)

I'll just put this here.

COVID-19 Funeral Assistance

If you are covering the cost of a COVID-19 funeral, FEMA may be able to help.

www.fema.gov

It's a thing no one seems to know about but seems to also exist.

Funeral Assistance FAQ

Frequently asked questions for Coronavirus 19 or COVID funeral assistance through FEMA.

www.fema.gov

Up to $9,000 in coverage but it is reimbursement. I suppose the GoFundMe's get it paid for, then you get reimbursed then you have a few bucks to try fill a hole left by passing of a COVID death when FEMA sends you the funds back. Which is never going to fill the void

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1440134938196692999

that's all kinds of infuriating but that's where we are at these days

 

[Justinus]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1440134938196692999

that's all kinds of infuriating but that's where we are at these days

Glad they see the health economy in denying monoclonal antibody treatment from 1 vaccinated person to give it to 7-13 or some number around 10 fold unvaccinated persons...


Oh wait, how you gonna treat 10 people with one treatment dosage?

 

[MtnMan]

You actually seemed to be a person worth listening to up until this point.

Awwww... show us on the doll where he hurt you so with rational thought.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

bout sums it up.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1440354341580251136

 

[Justinus]

bout sums it up.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1440354341580251136

Seth MacFarlane seems to have focused on the basic points that are already everywhere due to the paid marketing campaigns, celebrity endorsements, etc.

I would have hoped for a more nuanced take if this was really intended to convince antivaxxers to vaccinate

 

[VW MAN]

You actually seemed to be a person worth listening to up until this point.

Tell us why you are worth listening to and not him?

 

[Gardener]

This place is about 40 minutes south of Portland and is getting about as much publicity nationally as Portland did last year. A bunch of a white, ignorant, hateful clown shoes.
It's not so much a covid thing, but this is the same district that banned BLM/Pride flags and was also trying to buck the governors mask mandate.

Speaking of mask mandates, the old rural bumfuckville school district my kids used to attend in downstate IL tried to fuck around and find out. They tried to buck the IL gov's mask mandate. Gov came back and said "Ok, but we aren't going to honor your graduates this year or any sports games you win". They thought about that shortly and guess who's wearing masks now.

Mid-West bumfucks are far more tame than the PNW bumfucks.

 

[Bitek]

Not an idiot but he’s creating them

https://twitter.com/x/status/1440107390813212672

I don't want to click the play button, but it's hard to believe those words are real.

Such Small Dick Energy trying to overcompensate.

Jesus. If I hear "high testosterone man," the very last thing I think of is a bowtie wearing prep school twat named Tucker.

You know what's manly? Not bitching about a little needle and turning your kids into orphans you chittering fuck.

Real men do what they need to do to take care of their families.

 

[RY62]

I'm a biochemist and a molecular biologist, I specifically use viruses to reprogram parts of DNA structures or create specific proteins. I also developed a means to turn off genes or turn on other genes, epigenetic treatments were started because of my work.

I agree with Andrew on this, but 95% is unattainable with fucktards like yourself around so that won't happen.

Can herd immunity against Covid - 19 happen, ABSOLUTELY but it needs that level of vaccination.

You see the thing here is that there are mutations to the measles as well but since there is a herd immunity it doesn't spread. Vaccines diminish the viral load spread (that goes for ALL vaccines, vaccines are not a fucking force field surrounding your body, it WILL enter your body and you CAN spread it but the viral load you can spread is minuscule in both cases and with 95% vaccinated it will be fucking nothing within ONE generation of spread).

So, should we go for that or should we rely on your ignorance of everything you are trying to understand and failing miserably to do so?

To be clear, Andrew Pollard is on record stating that, even with 95% vaccination rate, herd immunity will not be possible. I simply shared that information.

You've said that you agree with Andrew but then immediately go on to disagree with him and say that it ABSOLUTELY can happen with 95% vaccination rate.

If you're going to contradict one of the leading experts in the world, I am very interested in how you've reached your conclusion. Are you assuming 95% vaccination of world population or is this a national model? Do your simulation variables include all of the vaccines in use nationally or, if a world model, those in use around the globe? How have you adjusted for declining efficacy rates of each vaccine? How have you allowed for transmission rates and mutations among the vaccinated populations? Higher vax rates in urban areas and lower in rural areas? What about boosters? Admittedly, I'm just a "fucktard" trying to understand something that is way over my head.

As someone with almost zero understanding of what you do, I am genuinely amazed and have the utmost respect for you and others in your field. I never argued against vaccinations. I see them as the best weapon we have at the moment but, at least for now, I still trust Andrew Pollard more than you.

 

[Jhhnn]

Speaking of anti-vax fucktards, DeSantis just appointed one as surgeon general of Florida-

Florida’s new surgeon general skeptical of vaccines, opposes masks

Ladapo signed the Great Barrington Declaration and suggests embracing "the reality of viral spread."

arstechnica.com

 

[manly]

I'm not an epidemiologist but I think you're misinterepreting Sir Pollard. Even in the absence of a vaccine, pandemics do end when the population acquires natural immunity or dies trying (realistically, a combination of both). See 1918 Spanish influenza for a prominent example. What Pollard and other Brits are saying is that COVID vaccines do not prevent transmission of the virus, so it's impossible to achieve total herd immunity against mild cases. What the Brits are also saying is that the vaccines are still very effective at preventing severe disease. Ultimately, the pandemic ends when SARS-CoV-2 still circulates at lower levels, but isn't resulting in heavy hospitalizations and deaths.

Just because Pollard is saying "herd immunity" isn't achievable isn't an argument against vaccinations. Quite the contrary actually.

It is quite apparent that in the U.S., you will likely never reach 90% vaccination of the population. But the pandemic will end; the only question is how long that will take. We will eventually have a significant portion of the population vaccinated with good immunity against severe disease; and the unvaccinated will have acquired natural immunity the hard way. The UK is in a somewhat better place than the U.S. so they will likely reach this endemic steady state before the U.S. does. Other countries, Denmark in particular, believe they are nearly or already there. Denmark never reaches this point without a successful COVID vaccination program.

This is basically a semantic argument about what "herd immunity" means. So the conclusion to move away from vaccination programs is a crock, and does not mesh with what Pollard and British experts are saying.

 

[MrSquished]

If we had 95% vaccinated all Covid restrictions would be over, as things stand now. If a new more intense variant came about that might change, but we'd be back to normal now

 

[Bitek]

I'm not an epidemiologist but I think you're misinterepreting Sir Pollard. Even in the absence of a vaccine, pandemics do end when the population acquires natural immunity or dies trying (realistically, a combination of both). See 1918 Spanish influenza for a prominent example. What Pollard and other Brits are saying is that COVID vaccines do not prevent transmission of the virus, so it's impossible to achieve total herd immunity against mild cases. What the Brits are also saying is that the vaccines are still very effective at preventing severe disease. Ultimately, the pandemic ends when SARS-CoV-2 still circulates at lower levels, but isn't resulting in heavy hospitalizations and deaths.

Just because Pollard is saying "herd immunity" isn't achievable isn't an argument against vaccinations. Quite the contrary actually.

It is quite apparent that in the U.S., you will likely never reach 90% vaccination of the population. But the pandemic will end; the only question is how long that will take. We will eventually have a significant portion of the population vaccinated with good immunity against severe disease; and the unvaccinated will have acquired natural immunity the hard way. The UK is in a somewhat better place than the U.S. so they will likely reach this endemic steady state before the U.S. does. Other countries, Denmark in particular, believe they are nearly or already there. Denmark never reaches this point without a successful COVID vaccination program.

This is basically a semantic argument about what "herd immunity" means. So the conclusion to move away from vaccination programs is a crock, and does not mesh with what Pollard and British experts are saying.

Yes. I think we also need to keep in mind the definition of eradicated (eg smallpox.)

We won't be able to eradicate COVID most likely, but the virus still needs chains of transmission to keep going.

Vaccinated are far far less to be infected, so even if some are, the virus may be left to very small pockets, but largely absent from the larger population. As close enough to normal as we're likely to get anytime soon.