Court rules for NBC in George Zimmerman defamation case

[Orignal Earl]

So it can't possibly be that we embraced the case to support and strengthen self defense rights. No, it makes a lot more sense that we all love Latinos and hate blacks amirite?

I can see your self defense argument.

But the way a lot of you use ethnicity and race, really mixes me up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latino_(demonym)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States

 

[Sc0rp]

Florida reviewed the law and determined no changes were required.

GZ was acquitted on all charges and talking circles using what ifs and fairy tales will not change this result.

The media did a great job of serving up the koolaid as people that disagree with the verdict still spew forth the same ole tired half truths, innuendo, and fairy tales that proved to be false or lacking evidence to prove them to be the case.

People still say OJ is a murderer 20 years after he was acquitted of all charges. I don't see why Zimmerman is any different.

Also, it isn't surprising that the people who created the law don't see any problem with it. The problem with the law is that it allows a person to possibly instigate an altercation to the point of violence, or linger around a situation that anyone can see will turn violent, and use deadly force when they could have simply avoided the whole situation.

No wonder the homicide rate in Florida skyrocketed and no wonder that most of the people that successfully claim self defense under the law are criminals and thugs themselves.

Also, people don't like Zimmerman based on the known facts. It's a known fact that Zimmerman left his truck and ran after someone that was retreating from him. It's a known fact that Trayvon did not have a duty to retreat. It's a known fact that Zimmerman called Trayvon and 'A-hole' that 'always gets away' and a 'f-ing ****'. It's a known fact that Zimmermans story and behavior was inconsistent. It's completely unknown as to WHAT happened that night as one person is dead. Yeah Zimmerman has his story, but several things could have happened. I'm guessing that we should take everything someone says at face value and just believe them, right?

But really, you guys are the ones that brought up the trial. I came here to talk about the civil case and I was talking about the civil case. Now you want to digress and dismiss opinions that countermand your opinions. Come now.

 

[emperus]

Florida reviewed the law and determined no changes were required.

GZ was acquitted on all charges and talking circles using what ifs and fairy tales will not change this result.

The media did a great job of serving up the koolaid as people that disagree with the verdict still spew forth the same ole tired half truths, innuendo, and fairy tales that proved to be false or lacking evidence to prove them to be the case.

Well, at the end, we can say you feel comfortable in your support of George Zimmerman and I can say I feel comfortable in believing he is a psychopath who started that incident that night and who got away with it.

I believe as time progresses and more information comes to light (as it has and why most of his supporters have abandoned him), if you had the ability to feel embarrassment (which I doubt from your posts here), you would be in your support for him. I just wonder why even at this stage, you still give him your support. But ey, for some, other issues "darken" (pun intended) the clarity we need to see rationally.

 

[Sc0rp]

I can see your self defense argument.

But the way a lot of you use ethnicity and race, really mixes me up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latino_(demonym)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States

The whole thing smacks of 'Tut tut liberal media... There you go, blaming the white man again! Well Zimmerman wasn't white! Why are you constantly persecuting the white man even when he hasn't done anything?'

Nevermind the fact that the police report lists Zimmerman as white and Zimmermans drivers license says he was white. I'm willing to bet that the media was reporting based on what the police report said.

Suddenly, after the shooting, Zimmerman decides to embrace a Latino heritage. Strange that he didn't embrace it on his drivers license or anything else that we can confirm prior to the shooting.

 

[HumblePie]

People still say OJ is a murderer 20 years after he was acquitted of all charges, don't see why Zimmerman is any different.

Uh stupid, he admitted later that he murdered them. They can't retry him due to double jeopardy laws though. We call him a murderer because he murdered them and got off from a jury having the wool pulled over their eyes from a leather glove that either shrunk in the heat or his hands got too fat for and wasn't able to "fit" later on. Pure grandstanding and retardedness got him acquitted to which he also admitted. Not exactly the best comparison to make at all.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The whole thing smacks of 'Tut tut liberal media... There you go, blaming the white man again! Well Zimmerman wasn't white! Why are you constantly persecuting the white man even when he hasn't done anything?'

Nevermind the fact that the police report lists Zimmerman as white and Zimmermans drivers license says he was white. I'm willing to bet that the media was reporting based on what the police report said.

Suddenly, after the shooting, Zimmerman decides to embrace a Latino heritage. Strange that he didn't embrace it on his drivers license or anything else that we can confirm prior to the shooting.

Zimmerman is White Hispanic, there is just no other way around it.

 

[Sc0rp]

Uh stupid, he admitted later that he murdered them. They can't retry him due to double jeopardy laws though. We call him a murderer because he murdered them and got off from a jury having the wool pulled over their eyes from a leather glove that either shrunk in the heat or his hands got too fat for and wasn't able to "fit" later on. Pure grandstanding and retardedness got him acquitted to which he also admitted. Not exactly the best comparison to make at all.

Wow, you're calling me stupid? OJ never admitted that he murdered anyone. His book was pretty much written as a 'what if' scenario. That does not qualify.

Also, that book was published in 2007. OJ was acquitted in 1997. Muh math tells me that's about ten years before anyone had a chance to read his book, yet people still called him a murderer. Think about it.

Take a knee, Einstein.

 

[Sc0rp]

Zimmerman is White Hispanic, there is just no other way around it.

That's the way I see it.

 

[emperus]

Uh stupid, he admitted later that he murdered them. They can't retry him due to double jeopardy laws though. We call him a murderer because he murdered them and got off from a jury having the wool pulled over their eyes from a leather glove that either shrunk in the heat or his hands got too fat for and wasn't able to "fit" later on. Pure grandstanding and retardedness got him acquitted to which he also admitted. Not exactly the best comparison to make at all.

When did he admit he murdered him?

 

[Sc0rp]

When did he admit he murdered him?

He never admitted killing anyone. He wrote a book titled 'If I did it' which does not qualify.

 

[emperus]

He never admitted killing anyone. He wrote a book titled 'If I did it' which does not qualify.

Yeah, I wanted Humble Pie to make something up again.

 

[Cozarkian]

People still say OJ is a murderer 20 years after he was acquitted of all charges. I don't see why Zimmerman is any different.

Can you find a single national news story that definitively calls OJ a murderer. I'll bet they all still use "alleged" to avoid a defamation lawsuit.

Also, it isn't surprising that the people who created the law don't see any problem with it. The problem with the law is that it allows a person to possibly instigate an altercation to the point of violence, or linger around a situation that anyone can see will turn violent, and use deadly force when they could have simply avoided the whole situation.

And the problem with not having the law is that Trayvon would have been required to run away when he though Zimmerman was reaching for a gun and risk getting shot in the back.

 

[TerryMathews]

Well, at the end, we can say you feel comfortable in your support of George Zimmerman and I can say I feel comfortable in believing he is a psychopath who started that incident that night and who got away with it.

I believe as time progresses and more information comes to light (as it has and why most of his supporters have abandoned him), if you had the ability to feel embarrassment (which I doubt from your posts here), you would be in your support for him. I just wonder why even at this stage, you still give him your support. But ey, for some, other issues "darken" (pun intended) the clarity we need to see rationally.

This is your continual failing.

I don't support Zimmerman. I think he's a piece of shit. I wouldn't want him as a neighbor.

Based on the evidence we have from that night, I do believe he exercised self defense under the laws of the state of Florida.

Even the Grand Dragon of the KKK has a right to self defense. Or Jesse Jackson if you prefer the other side of the coin.

You can't seem to separate support a person from supporting their specific act on a given occasion.

 

[TerryMathews]

That's the way I see it.

Of course you do.

Zimmerman is White Hispanic, there is just no other way around it.

By that standard I wonder how many more decades it will be until we have or first black President.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Well, at the end, we can say you feel comfortable in your support of George Zimmerman and I can say I feel comfortable in believing he is a psychopath who started that incident that night and who got away with it.

I believe as time progresses and more information comes to light (as it has and why most of his supporters have abandoned him), if you had the ability to feel embarrassment (which I doubt from your posts here), you would be in your support for him. I just wonder why even at this stage, you still give him your support. But ey, for some, other issues "darken" (pun intended) the clarity we need to see rationally.

In the end I can say based on the lack of evidence the state could not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt and GZ was acquitted by a jury. There's nothing more to discuss.

 

[her209]

In the end I can say based on the lack of evidence the state could not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt and GZ was acquitted by a jury. There's nothing more to discuss.

 

[Matt1970]

This is your continual failing.

I don't support Zimmerman. I think he's a piece of shit. I wouldn't want him as a neighbor.

Based on the evidence we have from that night, I do believe he exercised self defense under the laws of the state of Florida.

Even the Grand Dragon of the KKK has a right to self defense. Or Jesse Jackson if you prefer the other side of the coin.

You can't seem to separate support a person from supporting their specific act on a given occasion.

I have always been in the middle here. Yes, he does have the right to defend himself but he created the situation. Had he listened to the 911 operator and stayed put this wouldn't have happened. He shouldn't be convicted of murder like a lot of people think but he also shouldn't have walked away with no charges.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I have always been in the middle here. Yes, he does have the right to defend himself but he created the situation. Had he listened to the 911 operator and stayed put this wouldn't have happened. He shouldn't be convicted of murder like a lot of people think but he also shouldn't have walked away with no charges.

There's zero evidence that he provoked the assault or was the aggressor (which is why the instructions concerning such was never given to the jury). So based on the evidence and the use of force law on the books in Florida, he should have never been charged with any crime.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Of course you do.

By that standard I wonder how many more decades it will be until we have or first black President.

Zimmerman's father was White.
Obama's father was Black.

Obama is Black

That is the standard the US uses

 

[Sc0rp]

Can you find a single national news story that definitively calls OJ a murderer. I'll bet they all still use "alleged" to avoid a defamation lawsuit.



And the problem with not having the law is that Trayvon would have been required to run away when he though Zimmerman was reaching for a gun and risk getting shot in the back.

1) I guess you don't know the difference between OP ED and an actual news report

2) NO! Even in states with no SYG law is a person required to run away if they think someone is pulling out a gun. In my state, we don't have SYG for deadly force, but we use any level of force needed against someone that's pulling out a weapon unless it is SAFE to retreat. Since guns can kill someone over a long distance, it isn't safe to retreat, so we don't have to retreat if we are in a position to use force to eliminate the threat of deadly force.

 

[Sc0rp]

There's zero evidence that he provoked the assault or was the aggressor (which is why the instructions concerning such was never given to the jury). So based on the evidence and the use of force law on the books in Florida, he should have never been charged with any crime.

If he didn't provoke the altercation, then what would Trayvons motive be to attack him?

Sorry, but there is evidence that Zimmerman behaved in a way that would make a person reasonably feel apprehension and Zimmerman DID admit that he reached for something before the altercation began. There is a difference between there being evidence of something and the prosecution making the argument. The reason why the statute was cut out of the jury instructions is because the prosecution asked for it to be.

 

[Matt1970]

There's zero evidence that he provoked the assault or was the aggressor (which is why the instructions concerning such was never given to the jury). So based on the evidence and the use of force law on the books in Florida, he should have never been charged with any crime.

That's not what I mean. He tried to play cop. He was stalking and then confronting what by his own words seemed to be a suspicious person.

 

[Sc0rp]

Of course you do.

By that standard I wonder how many more decades it will be until we have or first black President.

Obama's father is black. Obama identifies himself as black and we call him our first black president.

Zimmermans father is white. He identified himself as white before the shooting. Only after the shooting did he suddenly decide that he was Hispanic.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Zimmerman's father was White.
Obama's father was Black.

Obama is Black

That is the standard the US uses

So I guess Robert Nesta "Bob" Marley would have been considered to be white as his father was white.

 

[Sc0rp]

Yeah, I wanted Humble Pie to make something up again.

Oop, sorry.