Court Allows 'Under God' on Technicality

[upsciLLion]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
You know, since they're mostly rooted in polytheistic Norse mythology, I'm half-surprised the right-wing fundies haven't tried to take care of that yet.

Right-wing? I'm suprised the ACLU hasn't tried to sue every calendar maker for using religious names as days of the week.

I smell some easy money! Who wants in?

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

*snip*

You know, you criticizing what I've had to say in this thread is pretty funny. Let's follow the time line:

You make a post in response to someone else.
- I make a response to your post.
- You quote a movie as your response to my post.
- Then you make an actual response that you thought about for maybe half a minute. That's probably generous. In this response you say that the problem is that ?under God? had no right there in the first place. Also, you believe that you're somehow funding this particular phrase
- I cite facts and prove you wrong about the legality of it being added and ask how you think you're funding the phrase.
- You try to put words in my mouth and say I endorse slavery. Also, you say that the time spent saying those words has nothing to do with this when, in fact, that's the only way you could possibly be funding this, which was one of you cheif complaints.

Now do you see a pattern here other than the fact that, against my better judgment, I've continued to feed the troll? If you'd like to pick a point and stick with it that would be really swell. If not, go ahead and go back to spewing insults and trying to argue legal concepts that you don't understand.

 

[Feldenak]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I believe that most of the people screaming about "Seperation of Church and State" don't really understand exactly what that means.

 

[Woodchuck2000]

I simply fail to see why people get so emotional about the issue... Surely saying the pledge of allegiance is more about unity as a nation than the actual words used? I believe that it isn't possible to design a pledge that makes everybody happy but that your feeling of national pride should override any wording annoyances.

Just my £0.02

(Speaking as an anti-monarchy English type who sings the National Anthem with gusto when required...)

 

[TaylorD]

I don't believe in God, per se, but I do not find the phrase to be offensive at all on currency or in the pledge.

The way I see it, this nation was founded "under god" - the founding fathers were believers, and I do not see anything wrong in honoring their memories, including their beliefs.

As long as people aren't forced to believe or institutionally discriminated against for not believing, believeing something else, etc. I don't have a problem with it.

I think there is a social stigma to being an atheist, less so for an agnostic, but that will erode with time, and theres nothing that can really be "done" about it, save for on an individual level of acceptance of others and their beliefs (or more importantly, their right to have their own, different beliefs.)

 

[TaylorD]

double post

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
What I don't understand is why it took so long to get tossed. The daughter didn't want her father to do this who BTW hasn't custody. No custody, and done without consent of the affected. This never should have been brought to court.

The reason that it took so long was becase it made its way through the psycho-liberal 9th Circuit. The Justices on that court are notorious for having their decisions routinely overturned by the Supremes.

9th Curcuit is the legislative branch of the courts....

er WTF????

well let's say it is the bizzaro worlds Ashcroft

If you don't like under God don't say it you whiney crybabies!

<hands a LARGE tissue to all the Christophobes out there>

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: DWW
Being that the majority in the USA is Christian (and the founding fathers who built the country), why should a minority (atheist) win out?

Slowly over time the world is going to the crapper because the minorities always get the "right" above anyone else.

I'm gonna buy you a cold :beer: well said for me I'll take a N/A though I don't drink

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate

Originally posted by: DWW
Being that the majority in the USA is Christian (and the founding fathers who built the country), why should a minority (atheist) win out?

Slowly over time the world is going to the crapper because the minorities always get the "right" above anyone else.

The beauty of our system is that the minority does have rights. That is why America is the bastion of liberty that it is.

It is our downfall that the minorities rights are MORE important...

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: gsaldivar
What's up lately with all of these Politics &amp; News threads in OT????

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

Cause the P&amp;N forum sux big arse and only the same people post except for a sprinkling of some fringe trolls type with a post count of 10 I like the P&amp;N cause it keep most the crazies outta OT... well the zealots on both sides. And yes you can be a zealot lib.