Could you go through with an abortion?

[micrometers]

Anti-choice about what? It's a stupid label, it should be pro-abortion. Objectively you don't have a leg to stand on.

No, pro-choice is simply about withholding judgement and not having the government interfere. You can be pro-choice and still lead campaigns against abortion. Pro-choice is about the government NOT banning it.

 

[Steeplerot]

Anti-choice about what? It's a stupid label, it should be pro-abortion. Objectively you don't have a leg to stand on.

It has always been anti-choice, pro-life was a religious fundamentalist term that started being used in the 80s to BS people and collect more $$$ from the naive, same frame the debate hogwash as "right to work". It's a inherently dishonest ploy through language.

Thank corporate and religious funded talk radio for these stinkers.

 

[monovillage]

I can't agree since choice is a grade of beef. It does highlight the battle of semantics and the attempts to control our language for political advantage. Nowhere has it been more evident then the abortion/life/baby/fetus/choice/murder arena.

 

[monovillage]

It has always been anti-choice, pro-life was a religious fundamentalist term that started being used in the 80s to BS people and collect more $$$ from the naive, same frame the debate hogwash as "right to work". It's a inherently dishonest ploy through language.

Thank corporate and religious funded talk radio for these stinkers.

It hasn't "always been" or started in the 80's horseshit or $$$$. Both sides are actively fucking with the language, only naive and ignorant partisans claim anything different.
Here's your trophy.

 

[micrometers]

I can't agree since choice is a grade of beef. It does highlight the battle of semantics and the attempts to control our language for political advantage. Nowhere has it been more evident then the abortion/life/baby/fetus/choice/murder arena.

it's up for debate. Most aborted fetuses could not survive out the womb, thus are effectively a part of the mother's body.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

It has always been anti-choice, pro-life was a religious fundamentalist term that started being used in the 80s to BS people and collect more $$$ from the naive, same frame the debate hogwash as "right to work". It's a inherently dishonest ploy through language.

Thank corporate and religious funded talk radio for these stinkers.

The pro-life movement was around long before political talk radio became popular in the early 90's.

The term "pro-life" was coined by U.S. leaders of the right-to-life (anti-abortion) movement following the January 1973 U.S. Supreme Court case Roe v. Wade

 

[Steeplerot]

The pro-life movement was around long before political talk radio became popular in the early 90's.

Televangelism and Limbaugh were at it full force in the 80s. Same type of liars looking for a buck off the ignorant who believe anything they hear if it fits their narrow worldview.

If they can make someone feel like a oppressed minority who are championing against BS muddled issues like abortion/taxes its all good, Conservative cultist or evangelical christian -their money spends the same. They understand you. Buy that gold/mortgage that house for god. There is a sucker born every minute you know.

 

[WHAMPOM]

I generally troll the pro-abortion line because I really am annoyed by Pro-lifers.

But you know, if it came down to it, I don't think I could make the call for an abortion. Especially if past the first trimester and she was visibly pregnant. I"m assuming that most posters here are male, but I'm also curious about the female perspective.

Let's pretend that your circumstances are pretty bad (young, little skills, little money) but the baby would otherwise be healthy with no genetic abnormalities.

Can you think of a reason to have children other then the overwhelming instinct to reproduce? Let's pretend it is a logical decision.

 

[mattpegher]

I have met dozens of women that have had or are planning an abortion, and I will say that each had a unique story and reason for their decision. Even during medical school, I realized that there cannot be one rule that will cover all examples. For this alone, I support a mandate for the government to stay out of the decision.
10 years ago, I was the suspected father of a pregnancy. The mother chose to abort the fetus. Although, my position was that of support if she chose to continue to pregnancy and expressed my position against termination, I felt it was unethical for me to place additional pressure upon her. I felt that was the extent of my control of another human being, in this matter.
I do regret her decision and consider the possible events should they have been different (a futile and foolish exercise in possiblities).

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I can't agree since choice is a grade of beef. It does highlight the battle of semantics and the attempts to control our language for political advantage. Nowhere has it been more evident then the abortion/life/baby/fetus/choice/murder arena.

I don't really have a problem with those that favor banning abortion labeling themselves "pro-life," although given the coincidence of people favoring an abortion ban and people that strongly advocate for the death penalty and war, it seems to me to be a bit of a misnomer in practice.

It is silly to describe pro-choice individuals as "pro-abortion," however. Favoring the existence of a right to choose is not logically equivalent to favoring any particular choice. For example, I believe people should be free to choose who they vote for, even if that means they can choose to vote Republican. That certainly doesn't make me "pro-Republican."

 

[monovillage]

Right to choose? Is that the 3rd Amendment? or did we finally find one for the 9th?

 

[shira]

I interpret the question for men as, if your wife or significant other were pregnant, are there any circumstances where you would agree to go through with an abortion?

And my answer is yes, certainly. For example, if an amniocentesis revealed that the the fetus had severe, disabling or lethal birth defects, I cannot imagine why I would want to bring that fetus to term. Others are of course free to make their own decisions. That's the beauty of choice.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Right to choose? Is that the 3rd Amendment? or did we finally find one for the 9th?

If this is some kind of response to me, it is a puzzling one.

My comments addressed the interpretation of language used by people discussing the legality of abortion, and your response seem to call into question the existence of a particular right -- something that has nothing to do with the subject of my post.

That is aside from the fact that your response seems strongly to imply an argument along the lines of "these words do not appear verbatim in the Constitution, therefore they cannot stand for anything constitutional" -- a truly puerile argument.

In other words, that is a lovely herring you have. It is a beautifully red specimen, indeed, however it reeks fiercely, and if you'd be so kind to put it away we can resume the discussion at hand.

 

[micrometers]

I interpret the question for men as, if your wife or significant other were pregnant, are there any circumstances where you would agree to go through with an abortion?

And my answer is yes, certainly. For example, if an amniocentesis revealed that the the fetus had severe, disabling or lethal birth defects, I cannot imagine why I would want to bring that fetus to term. Others are of course free to make their own decisions. That's the beauty of choice.

you have it completely wrong. Of course any birth defect is a no-brainer of a decision.

And this isn't supposed to be a realistic question so none of the "it's a woman's decision" etc. The question is really how would you handle the BURDEN of the decision, if it were 100% up to you and the fetus would otherwise be healthy, but you really aren't ready at the moment for a child.

 

[dank69]

you have it completely wrong. Of course any birth defect is a no-brainer of a decision.

And this isn't supposed to be a realistic question so none of the "it's a woman's decision" etc. The question is really how would you handle the BURDEN of the decision, if it were 100% up to you and the fetus would otherwise be healthy, but you really aren't ready at the moment for a child.

I think abortion used as a form of birth control, unless other birth control methods were used and failed, is irresponsible. That doesn't mean I think it should be illegal, but I personally would not stay involved with a woman that didn't want kids right now yet didn't use birth control.

 

[ShawnD1]

And this isn't supposed to be a realistic question so none of the "it's a woman's decision" etc. The question is really how would you handle the BURDEN of the decision, if it were 100% up to you and the fetus would otherwise be healthy, but you really aren't ready at the moment for a child.

I'd still be pro-abortion, but it's a harder call to make the longer you wait. If you're trying some illegal 8 month abortion, then that would feel an awful lot like killing a baby. After 1 month? It wouldn't even look human, so I wouldn't care.

I think abortion used as a form of birth control, unless other birth control methods were used and failed, is irresponsible. That doesn't mean I think it should be illegal, but I personally would not stay involved with a woman that didn't want kids right now yet didn't use birth control.

The scary part is that it's the LESSER of two evils. If someone is so retarded that abortion is their main form of birth control, then just imaging how fucked up their kids will be when they grow up. You as the tax payer need to pay for them when their retarded crackhead mother abandons them. You pay for them when they grow up to be criminals and spend the next 30 years in jail, costing the system $50,000 per year in jail.

 

[nutxo]

I could perform them all day long! I'd take visa and MasterCard and promise to use a fresh hangar each day!

 

[HumblePie]

I could perform them all day long! I'd take visa and MasterCard and promise to use a fresh hangar each day!

Hanger isn't guaranteed to do the trick. That's why they do vacuum aspiration. Basically pump them full of saline then suck it dry. Works like a charm. Heck, I can use the pump off my aquarium to do that.

 

[Zeze]

If I was a girl, I would get pregnant as many times as possible, then have abortions after the third month of being pregnant so I would deliver a potato sized 1/3 developed dead fetus. Then I would take the fetus, put it in a jar of preservative liquid and put it on a shelf in a secret room in my house, and I would do it until i had so many that the rooms walls were nothing but potato sized aborted fetuses. Then I would have a kid and when they're bad i would make them sit in the fetus room.

 

[ShawnD1]

Hanger isn't guaranteed to do the trick. That's why they do vacuum aspiration. Basically pump them full of saline then suck it dry. Works like a charm. Heck, I can use the pump off my aquarium to do that.

I'll remember this. I'm not sure if abortion is covered by my insurance, and I already own a 12V water pump.

 

[Nebor]

If I was a girl, I would get pregnant as many times as possible, then have abortions after the third month of being pregnant so I would deliver a potato sized 1/3 developed dead fetus. Then I would take the fetus, put it in a jar of preservative liquid and put it on a shelf in a secret room in my house, and I would do it until i had so many that the rooms walls were nothing but potato sized aborted fetuses. Then I would have a kid and when they're bad i would make them sit in the fetus room.

ROFL. :thumbsup:

 

[ShawnD1]

Then the house burns down and you need to build another fetus room.