Could you all please just stop

[Lanyap]

Originally posted by: conjur
Enough with the damned blaming of Nagin over the buses!!


Christ on a stick!!


100,000 people or more needed to be evacuated as they do not have the means to get out of the city on their own.

The post-flood Superdome evacuation started about midnight Wed. night (60 hours ago) and only 15,000-20,000 have been evac?d from there (5,000 remain)

Now, extrapolate that out to 100,000 people and they would have had to have started the evacuation sometime back around the middle of August (there was no Katrina back then.)

Also, I?ve read posts on other boards (like nola and wwltv) of people in that area discussing this topic and, in some districts, the keys are locked in a safe and that most of the city employees were already ordered out.

The NOLA emergency plan doesn?t include public transportation out of the city, only public transportation to temporary shelters which is exactly what they offered.

And remember, Mayor Nagin was requesting outside assistance to provide security for the process and received little or none. The city, itself, cannot provide security to escort and control 100,000, esp. when they just evacuated 80% of the city.

Also, everyone is basing this blaming of Nagin on that image on Yahoo of flooded buses. We don't know where those buses were. They might have been in another parish. They might have been flooded before the storm.


THE KEY THING BEING IGNORED BY MOST EVERYONE is that FOOD and WATER took FIVE DAYS to reach tens of thousands of people. The American Red Cross has NOT BEEN ALLOWED into the city.

You don't think that has something to do with it??


These people needed basic survival items: food and water.

They didn't get it.

Many are dead for it.

And I think this country is going to be a lot of soul searching in the next weeks and months.

The OP has every right to criticize anyone he wants to criticize. He is living this hellish nightmare.

You come in here and immediately attack the OP, a victim, to defend the democratic politicians who are involved in this when the OP is rightly blaming a lot of people who could have made this have a more positive outcome.

You were even attacking the Astrodome and TX for their assistance in another thread claiming it was turning into another Superdome.

We are all thinking about the people who are going through this nightmare down there. If I had a helo I would fly down to assist as much as I could. I lived there most of my life and know what some of them are going through. My job now is to keep regional telco centralized critical support systems up and running so that the field people can restore communications asap. I am also contributing money to relief efforts and to coworkers here in AL who have their NOLA family members staying with them. One of my coworkers has 20 relatives from NOLA staying at his house. Another coworker still has missing family.

"And I think this country is going to be a lot of soul searching in the next weeks and months." I do agree with you on this statement FWIW...


EDIT: Heh? Thread got hijacked by a racist. :|
Wow, thread goes from hurricane victims plea to politics to racism in a couple of hours.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Lanyap

Originally posted by: conjur
Enough with the damned blaming of Nagin over the buses!!


Christ on a stick!!


100,000 people or more needed to be evacuated as they do not have the means to get out of the city on their own.

The post-flood Superdome evacuation started about midnight Wed. night (60 hours ago) and only 15,000-20,000 have been evac?d from there (5,000 remain)

Now, extrapolate that out to 100,000 people and they would have had to have started the evacuation sometime back around the middle of August (there was no Katrina back then.)

Also, I?ve read posts on other boards (like nola and wwltv) of people in that area discussing this topic and, in some districts, the keys are locked in a safe and that most of the city employees were already ordered out.

The NOLA emergency plan doesn?t include public transportation out of the city, only public transportation to temporary shelters which is exactly what they offered.

And remember, Mayor Nagin was requesting outside assistance to provide security for the process and received little or none. The city, itself, cannot provide security to escort and control 100,000, esp. when they just evacuated 80% of the city.

Also, everyone is basing this blaming of Nagin on that image on Yahoo of flooded buses. We don't know where those buses were. They might have been in another parish. They might have been flooded before the storm.


THE KEY THING BEING IGNORED BY MOST EVERYONE is that FOOD and WATER took FIVE DAYS to reach tens of thousands of people. The American Red Cross has NOT BEEN ALLOWED into the city.

You don't think that has something to do with it??


These people needed basic survival items: food and water.

They didn't get it.

Many are dead for it.

And I think this country is going to be a lot of soul searching in the next weeks and months.

The OP has every right to criticize anyone he wants to criticize. He is living this hellish nightmare.

You come in here and immediately attack the OP, a victim, to defend the democratic politicians who are involved in this when the OP is rightly blaming a lot of people who could have made this have a more positive outcome.

You were even attacking the Astrodome and TX for their assistance in another thread claiming it was turning into another Superdome.

We are all thinking about the people who are going through this nightmare down there. If I had a helo I would fly down to assist as much as I could. I lived there most of my life and know what some of them are going through. My job now is to keep regional telco centralized critical support systems up and running so that the field people can restore communications asap. I am also contributing money to relief efforts and to coworkers here in AL who have their NOLA family members staying with them. One of my coworkers has 20 relatives from NOLA staying at his house. Another coworker still has missing family.

"And I think this country is going to be a lot of soul searching in the next weeks and months." I do agree with you on this statement FWIW...


EDIT: Heh? Thread got hijacked by a racist. :|
Wow, thread goes from hurricane victims plea to politics to racism in a couple of hours.

The OP does have every right to be a liar, but does NOT have a right to the actual facts.

 

[Lanyap]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
The OP does have every right to be a liar, but does NOT have a right to the actual facts.

Another politically motivated attack on the hurricane victim?

 

[Zebo]

I would live to take my tracker down and get some people there but those fools shooting make it too risky. And I mean the citizenry and the power trip government "officals"...I learned at a very young age to stay as far away as possible from those idiots.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Lanyap

Originally posted by: conjur
Enough with the damned blaming of Nagin over the buses!!


Christ on a stick!!


100,000 people or more needed to be evacuated as they do not have the means to get out of the city on their own.

The post-flood Superdome evacuation started about midnight Wed. night (60 hours ago) and only 15,000-20,000 have been evac?d from there (5,000 remain)

Now, extrapolate that out to 100,000 people and they would have had to have started the evacuation sometime back around the middle of August (there was no Katrina back then.)

Also, I?ve read posts on other boards (like nola and wwltv) of people in that area discussing this topic and, in some districts, the keys are locked in a safe and that most of the city employees were already ordered out.

The NOLA emergency plan doesn?t include public transportation out of the city, only public transportation to temporary shelters which is exactly what they offered.

And remember, Mayor Nagin was requesting outside assistance to provide security for the process and received little or none. The city, itself, cannot provide security to escort and control 100,000, esp. when they just evacuated 80% of the city.

Also, everyone is basing this blaming of Nagin on that image on Yahoo of flooded buses. We don't know where those buses were. They might have been in another parish. They might have been flooded before the storm.


THE KEY THING BEING IGNORED BY MOST EVERYONE is that FOOD and WATER took FIVE DAYS to reach tens of thousands of people. The American Red Cross has NOT BEEN ALLOWED into the city.

You don't think that has something to do with it??


These people needed basic survival items: food and water.

They didn't get it.

Many are dead for it.

And I think this country is going to be a lot of soul searching in the next weeks and months.

The OP has every right to criticize anyone he wants to criticize. He is living this hellish nightmare.

You come in here and immediately attack the OP, a victim, to defend the democratic politicians who are involved in this when the OP is rightly blaming a lot of people who could have made this have a more positive outcome.

You were even attacking the Astrodome and TX for their assistance in another thread claiming it was turning into another Superdome.

We are all thinking about the people who are going through this nightmare down there. If I had a helo I would fly down to assist as much as I could. I lived there most of my life and know what some of them are going through. My job now is to keep regional telco centralized critical support systems up and running so that the field people can restore communications asap. I am also contributing money to relief efforts and to coworkers here in AL who have their NOLA family members staying with them. One of my coworkers has 20 relatives from NOLA staying at his house. Another coworker still has missing family.

"And I think this country is going to be a lot of soul searching in the next weeks and months." I do agree with you on this statement FWIW...


EDIT: Heh? Thread got hijacked by a racist. :|
Wow, thread goes from hurricane victims plea to politics to racism in a couple of hours.

The OP, while likely under a lot of stress, has a history of posting acerbic, trolling posts up here.

Also, he creates a thread criticizing others for politicizing and finger-pointing and then goes and does the very same himself!

Mayor Nagin should have moved the city transit buses to higher ground before the storm and we would have never had any of these problems. He left them stationed at one of the lowest spots in the city and thats why they are waiting for buses to take people out because all of New Orleans' own buses are underwater.

Governor Blanco still hasn't called for Congress to do a special session in Louisiana. A whole lot of the state's house officials haven't even returned to Baton Rouge yet from vacations. She to my knowledge still hasn't even called the National Guard of Louisiana into action to go to the city.

The first criticism he levels is unfair and has been discussed up here in a few thread as to why it's an unfair one.

The second criticism is a flat-out falsehood as has been proven in another thread.

While I commiserate with his suffering, it doesn't make him free from recriminatin when he criticizes others for what he does himself.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: conjur
What does a bigoted, racist asshat like you call a "very good percentage"? 0.01%? Even that is 0.01% WAY TOO many.

It's people like you that give human beings a bad name.

I'm quite sure a lot of the Libertarians and Republicans here believe the same thing but don't have the balls to say it. With the exception of people like Vic and Gunslinger (at least I think so).

Thanks for giving me some semblence of the benefit of the doubt because I certainly do NOT agree with that asshat HalosPuma (who the mods, in their infinite wisdom, thankfully banned). People like that are confused. All human lives are precious and worth saving, even those some would call the least of us.

 

[yllus]

Good luck to you and yours Deudalus. I share your hope that the people who seem intent on turning this into a partisan victory feel shameful for doing so.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Lanyap

Originally posted by: conjur
Enough with the damned blaming of Nagin over the buses!!


Christ on a stick!!


100,000 people or more needed to be evacuated as they do not have the means to get out of the city on their own.

The post-flood Superdome evacuation started about midnight Wed. night (60 hours ago) and only 15,000-20,000 have been evac?d from there (5,000 remain)

Now, extrapolate that out to 100,000 people and they would have had to have started the evacuation sometime back around the middle of August (there was no Katrina back then.)

Also, I?ve read posts on other boards (like nola and wwltv) of people in that area discussing this topic and, in some districts, the keys are locked in a safe and that most of the city employees were already ordered out.

The NOLA emergency plan doesn?t include public transportation out of the city, only public transportation to temporary shelters which is exactly what they offered.

And remember, Mayor Nagin was requesting outside assistance to provide security for the process and received little or none. The city, itself, cannot provide security to escort and control 100,000, esp. when they just evacuated 80% of the city.

Also, everyone is basing this blaming of Nagin on that image on Yahoo of flooded buses. We don't know where those buses were. They might have been in another parish. They might have been flooded before the storm.


THE KEY THING BEING IGNORED BY MOST EVERYONE is that FOOD and WATER took FIVE DAYS to reach tens of thousands of people. The American Red Cross has NOT BEEN ALLOWED into the city.

You don't think that has something to do with it??


These people needed basic survival items: food and water.

They didn't get it.

Many are dead for it.

And I think this country is going to be a lot of soul searching in the next weeks and months.

The OP has every right to criticize anyone he wants to criticize. He is living this hellish nightmare.

You come in here and immediately attack the OP, a victim, to defend the democratic politicians who are involved in this when the OP is rightly blaming a lot of people who could have made this have a more positive outcome.

You were even attacking the Astrodome and TX for their assistance in another thread claiming it was turning into another Superdome.

We are all thinking about the people who are going through this nightmare down there. If I had a helo I would fly down to assist as much as I could. I lived there most of my life and know what some of them are going through. My job now is to keep regional telco centralized critical support systems up and running so that the field people can restore communications asap. I am also contributing money to relief efforts and to coworkers here in AL who have their NOLA family members staying with them. One of my coworkers has 20 relatives from NOLA staying at his house. Another coworker still has missing family.

"And I think this country is going to be a lot of soul searching in the next weeks and months." I do agree with you on this statement FWIW...


EDIT: Heh? Thread got hijacked by a racist. :|
Wow, thread goes from hurricane victims plea to politics to racism in a couple of hours.

The OP, while likely under a lot of stress, has a history of posting acerbic, trolling posts up here.

Also, he creates a thread criticizing others for politicizing and finger-pointing and then goes and does the very same himself!

Mayor Nagin should have moved the city transit buses to higher ground before the storm and we would have never had any of these problems. He left them stationed at one of the lowest spots in the city and thats why they are waiting for buses to take people out because all of New Orleans' own buses are underwater.

Governor Blanco still hasn't called for Congress to do a special session in Louisiana. A whole lot of the state's house officials haven't even returned to Baton Rouge yet from vacations. She to my knowledge still hasn't even called the National Guard of Louisiana into action to go to the city.

The first criticism he levels is unfair and has been discussed up here in a few thread as to why it's an unfair one.

The second criticism is a flat-out falsehood as has been proven in another thread.

While I commiserate with his suffering, it doesn't make him free from recriminatin when he criticizes others for what he does himself.

Nagin is partially responsible for the problem in NO.

So is Blanco. Just because it was "discussed" in another thread does not make your partisan view of the situation the last and the final word. Actually, you were pretty well owned very shortly in that thread and resorted to calling anyone who disagreed a troll simply becuase they showed your attempt at partisan apologism to be wrong.

Plenty of people are responsible for not doing their job up and down the line. Stop trying to foist this all off on Bush, because when you do it's clear that you're the real partisan hack in here who simply can't accept the truth.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: Zedtom
Deudalas, you have taken the effort to reach out to all us, and you have our attention. Most of us are sitting back in the comfort of our homes, analyzing a tragedy from afar.

Since you have the ability to start this discussion, I'm going to assume that you are in a safe place.

Would you tell us your story? Where are you? How did you get out? Please tell us what you're thinking.

This is only an internet forum- but if you consider Anandtech a community, then we need to know what you have experienced.

Sure, though this will be a long read.

I've been visiting New Orleans since I was around 8 years old. I've lived in or around New Orleans since 1998.

I started graduate school 1 week ago at the University of New Orleans which I've been told sustained really bad damage seeing as how its right on the lake. I live at the American Can Company, or as locals call it "The Can". It's a warehouse that was built in 1930 to make coke and food cans and wasn't used for many years. Afew years ago they decided to turn it into an apartment complex and that's where I moved to.

I was very tempted to stay in New Orleans seeing as how The Can is completely built out of concrete and my windows face another wall that is closeby. I was basically assured I wouldn't have wind damage being in a gigantic, concrete, 2 foot thick building on the 3rd floor about 30 feet up, but my dad talked me into going to Alexandria at the last minute on Sunday.

I left on Sunday around noon, taking airline highway which runs from Kenner for 15 miles or so into the heart of downtown New Orleans. By that point the cars were backed up for at least 12 miles all the way from the airport at the western edge of Kenner (which is west of the city) all the way to the Superdome area which is on the eastern side of New Orleans.

I took the backroads all the way out, but it still took me an hour and a half to make the 30 minute trek to my parents house in Hahnville about 25 miles west of New Orleans. We evacuated to Alexandria which is typically a 3 hour trip but took us 8 and a half.

I came back on Monday to find trees down everywhere, one missed my car by less than a foot in the front yard. Powerlines were all over the ground, debris was everywhere. The local Shell station had its roof ripped off and the cover over the gas lines ripped down.

I went into Avondale, Marrero, and Westwego (all directly south or southeast of New Orleans) 2 days later to remove everything from a friends refridgerator so his house didn't smell too horrible and his fridge wouldn't fill with maggots before he returned.

Since then we have had around 18 family and friends staying at my parents 3 bedroom house in Hahnville. I recently left there for northern Arkansas where my brother works for Loislaw due to the fact that we didn't have any room at my parents house and stores wouldn't be open for afew more weeks, thus the less people eating the food there the better because it had to last.

Been up here for 1 day now.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: conjur
Enough with the damned blaming of Nagin over the buses!!


Christ on a stick!!


100,000 people or more needed to be evacuated as they do not have the means to get out of the city on their own.

The post-flood Superdome evacuation started about midnight Wed. night (60 hours ago) and only 15,000-20,000 have been evac?d from there (5,000 remain)

Now, extrapolate that out to 100,000 people and they would have had to have started the evacuation sometime back around the middle of August (there was no Katrina back then.)

Also, I?ve read posts on other boards (like nola and wwltv) of people in that area discussing this topic and, in some districts, the keys are locked in a safe and that most of the city employees were already ordered out.

The NOLA emergency plan doesn?t include public transportation out of the city, only public transportation to temporary shelters which is exactly what they offered.

And remember, Mayor Nagin was requesting outside assistance to provide security for the process and received little or none. The city, itself, cannot provide security to escort and control 100,000, esp. when they just evacuated 80% of the city.

Also, everyone is basing this blaming of Nagin on that image on Yahoo of flooded buses. We don't know where those buses were. They might have been in another parish. They might have been flooded before the storm.


THE KEY THING BEING IGNORED BY MOST EVERYONE is that FOOD and WATER took FIVE DAYS to reach tens of thousands of people. The American Red Cross has NOT BEEN ALLOWED into the city.

You don't think that has something to do with it??


These people needed basic survival items: food and water.

They didn't get it.

Many are dead for it.

And I think this country is going to be a lot of soul searching in the next weeks and months.

You would have a point if my family didn't know and work with Nagin personally, but we do.

My father is a real estate developer in New Orleans and speaks with Mayor Nagin several times a week. He has taken a personal interest in my father and his business because New Orleans is very poor and needs new businesses. I've personally met Nagin and I can assure you he is a great Mayor and he is doing anything and everything he can to help New Orleans. Hell my family donated money to his campaign to get elected.

If you doubt any of this information, contact Nagin personally after the hurricane and ask him about the Clayton family, how he knows us, and what he thinks of us. He is a personable guy and his office will be open to your call I'm sure. Ask him if he made mistakes and I can promise you he will tell you that he did, as did everyone else. He isn't the type of guy that will not admit fault which I admit Bush is guilty of.

That said, I'm not above stating that he has made mistakes as has everyone else. You might think you know so much up in Louisville, but believe me I know a bit more because I live in the city that currently a war zone and I've been all around it since the hurricane.

I'm not saying Bush didn't make mistakes. I'm not saying everything is Nagin's fault. All Nagin wants is his people to be taken care of which wasn't happening for quite awhile.

But please quit pretending you are on top of things because you really don't know whats going on. You don't know the city. All you do know is that you hate Bush and thus you will find a reason to blame him for these problems.

He deserves some blame as does everyone else.

I can get technical with serious problems if you want, thats up to you. But people from the top down have made alot of bad mistakes that caused these problems.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

I can get technical with serious problems if you want, thats up to you. But people from the top down have made alot of bad mistakes that caused these problems.

amen to that, this is the time to pull together and help, not to complain about what fvckups happened.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Deudalus

I can get technical with serious problems if you want, thats up to you. But people from the top down have made alot of bad mistakes that caused these problems.

amen to that, this is the time to pull together and help, not to complain about what fvckups happened.

You can look at it simply and see the surface reasons why people died and for those of you who don't live there and don't understand the city it makes alot more sense to look at things in that way.

It makes me angry to hear people like Conjur claim that they know where fault should lie when they don't know the city and are really on speculating, which in Conjur's case it is very biased speculation.

But the real reason people died extends years back and is so complex it is ridiculous.

It is one thing if you are a New Orlenian and you want to point fingers and blame people because then at least you have first hand knowledge of what you are talking about and its your city in jeopardy.

But I can assure when the next big tornado that hits Kansas or the next major earthquake that hits L.A. I won't be here pointing fingers and explaining to everywhere in California from my comfortable place in Louisiana why they have such death and destruction.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Wait - I know: every single thing bad in this world is Bush's fault, isn't it?

"The President in particular is very much a figurehead - he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it." -- The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams

In the case of the Ronald and George, I would agree. Though, presidents are more like "representatives" than a single leader.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I live in New Orleans

show some compassion and condolences to those of us who just lost everything they own and put your personal agendas aside for just a couple of days.

I am speaking for a lot of tax-paying Americans when I say that we just don't care about the bottom-feeders living in N.O. The ones who are on government welfare and are not productive. They take, take, take from us hard-working tax-paying Americans and only produce more babies so they can get more welfare money. Just look at all of the news stations. 99% of the people who weren't smart enough to leave N.O. are black people on welfare.

I am writing what many of you here and what a lot of my fellow Americans are thinking - let them die. Crime has already gone up in the areas where the N.O. refugees have been bussed to. My compassion and condolences go to the people in Houston and the other cities that have to take in these people. As for the people of N.O. both rich and poor - what the hell where you thinking living BELOW SEA LEVEL in a HURRICANE area??

You are no longer welcome here.

AnandTech Moderator

I read that post and was just shocked. I have avoided posting until now and will only say on thing - Thank You AT Moderator.

 

[rustynails]

Vic Says:

Thanks for giving me some semblence of the benefit of the doubt because I certainly do NOT agree with that asshat HalosPuma (who the mods, in their infinite wisdom, thankfully banned). People like that are confused. All human lives are precious and worth saving, even those some would call the least of us.
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I?m trolling now; but would the human beings described in this article be worth saving? Or should those citizens that bare arms legitimately take the burden of jury and executioner on the spot?

Animals

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: rustynails
Vic Says:

Thanks for giving me some semblence of the benefit of the doubt because I certainly do NOT agree with that asshat HalosPuma (who the mods, in their infinite wisdom, thankfully banned). People like that are confused. All human lives are precious and worth saving, even those some would call the least of us.
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I?m trolling now; but would the human beings described in this article be worth saving? Or should those citizens that bare arms legitimately take the burden of jury and executioner on the spot?

Animals

"Tilghman said he had been appalled by the violence in New Orleans and was concerned that some of it might spill over into his community with the arrival of more survivors. "I'm totally against guns, but I bought one this week," he said."

You have a right to own a gun and protect yourself, and if you are protecting someone else who is being threatened and the perp threatens you, then you have a right to protect yourself.

That's the way I see it. Of course, I'm just a simpleton.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
God forbid you actually listen to somebody that lives there :roll:

Would you have replied if he'd said "It's all Bush's fault? I doubt it.

No one was ready for this. That goes from Bush all the way down to the local officials in New Orleans. The Chief of Police of New Orleans Eddie Compass hadn't even returned to the city as of 2 days ago when I left.

Wait - I know: every single thing bad in this world is Bush's fault, isn't it?

I have listened to people who live there...or...did live there. I've watched the local TV feeds all week. I've read the local forums where people's personal tales are posted. I've seen local news broadcasts here of fire departments that have gone down to N.O. to volunteer their services and the things they've seen and had to do.

This tragedy has affected a huge amount of people in horrible ways. There are countless separate families at this point and an unknown number of dead.

It's a tragedy on an immense scale. The least that could be done is getting food/water to those who've been without for 5 DAYS. Is that too much to ask? It seems to be the case.

So you exist vicariously!

 

[coolkatz321]

Honestly, I think Bush should have acted quicker. However, I think it would have made little difference. It's good that they're all out of te Superdome, but they still need supplies. I'm a stockholder at Altria Group and had no problem writing them a long letter about why they've contributed sh*t to this problem. This is the company that owns Kraft, Nabisco, Oscar Meyer, and Post Cereal. It's a disgrace all they've contributed is $500,000. Their revenue last year was almost $90 billion! After having a very lengthy convo with their main headquarters, it does sound like they're trying to boost their efforts. I'll say this- I don't want Wal-Mart giving money. They screw over their employees so much that the money should maybe be going elsewhere.

 

[chrisms]

I like how the thread instantly turned into an example of what it criticized.

 

[coolkatz321]

Whoa... you better not be referring to me... that was a completely positive comment. The company I own stock in is doing sh*t for this hurricane, so my remark was that they should really step it up...

 

[MicroChrome]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
I live in New Orleans and I just recieved news that the people who live at my apartment complex that couldn't get out are being choppered out from the rooftop of our place. Many probably have not been able to eat or drink anything for days. These are my neighbors and alot of them probably died.

There are still lots of people in the city at the Morial Convention Center that are dehydrating and starving to death. They will be pulling drowned dead bodies out of my freaking city for months to come.

I can rattle off to you how everyone made mistakes on this one. I know this because I know my city and I live there. No one person screwed up here, a ton of people made mistakes to make this catastrophe 10x worse.

Examples:

Mayor Nagin should have moved the city transit buses to higher ground before the storm and we would have never had any of these problems. He left them stationed at one of the lowest spots in the city and thats why they are waiting for buses to take people out because all of New Orleans' own buses are underwater.

Governor Blanco still hasn't called for Congress to do a special session in Louisiana. A whole lot of the state's house officials haven't even returned to Baton Rouge yet from vacations. She to my knowledge still hasn't even called the National Guard of Louisiana into action to go to the city.


Alot of people back home own boats and a whole lot of them (hundreds and thousands) white, black, and french/cajun were trying to volunteer on Tuesday to take their boats into the city to help people but armed gang members and crack heads were already shooting and killing cops. They would not let the civillian volunteers go into the city to pull people out because rescue workers were being killed by armed idiots. They had to pull coast guard choppers out because they were being shot at by AK-47's and high powered rifles stolen from stores which believe it or not can take down of those choppers if it hits it in the engine area.

No one was ready for this. That goes from Bush all the way down to the local officials in New Orleans. The Chief of Police of New Orleans Eddie Compass hadn't even returned to the city as of 2 days ago when I left.


At least let them fish out the dead bodies before you start trying to blame a Democrat or a Republican for something that everyone dropped the ball on.

Is this forum really so pathetic that the admins are allowing stupid posts trying to blame Bush, black people, or whoever else for this catastrophe while people are still dying?

Please grow up and show some compassion and condolences to those of us who just lost everything they own and put your personal agendas aside for just a couple of days.

Nice story...

If we had our National Guards and Reserves... There wouldn't be any crack addicts with AK-47's and High powerd rifles.

You'd have a bunch of DEAD crack addicts. They are no match for the army reserve with M16's on full auto. That is exactly why this failed. It's a bunch of BS. Yes...

 

[coolkatz321]

needs to be bumped for further discussion

 

[dphantom]

I can get technical with serious problems if you want, thats up to you. But people from the top down have made alot of bad mistakes that caused these problems.[/quote]

Thank you Deudalus for setting us all straight on the real situation. There is no room for finger pointing when hundreds if not thousands may be dying. I have said this in other postings, we need to work the problem and save lives.

There will be time for after action analysis later.

Conjur, Bond DH28 all see any tragic event as a cause to bash this administration regardless of any facts. The administration will need to be held accountable too when the time comes. That is not today when people need help.