I don't think it's a racial issue though. Class is usually a bigger dividing line. This is where people like Jesse Jackson end up making things more divisive.
Anyway, imo, it's an issue of humanity and not race and/or class. There were people from all walks of life suffering through no food and water: conventioneers at a Ritz Carlton, medical workers in hospitals, police officers, firefighters, tourists, etc. all mixed in with other residents of New Orleans.
For people to point fingers at anyone who is a victim and stuck down there as saying it was their fault for not getting out is just complete and utter callousness. Whether they stayed because they had no money to go elsewhere, had no transportation, wanted to ride it out, or stayed behind to care for patients or hotel guests, they are all HUMANS and they are all AMERICANS (well, there may be some foreigners down there) and they are ALL deserving of the most expedient assistance the local, state, and federal government can provide in order to keep them alive.
Anyway, imo, it's an issue of humanity and not race and/or class. There were people from all walks of life suffering through no food and water: conventioneers at a Ritz Carlton, medical workers in hospitals, police officers, firefighters, tourists, etc. all mixed in with other residents of New Orleans.
For people to point fingers at anyone who is a victim and stuck down there as saying it was their fault for not getting out is just complete and utter callousness. Whether they stayed because they had no money to go elsewhere, had no transportation, wanted to ride it out, or stayed behind to care for patients or hotel guests, they are all HUMANS and they are all AMERICANS (well, there may be some foreigners down there) and they are ALL deserving of the most expedient assistance the local, state, and federal government can provide in order to keep them alive.
My statement wasn't a racist remark, just a statement marking the blatant racism in this forum by "compassionate conservatives". If you feel it doesn't apply to you, that's fine. If you feel it does, that's your problem.
Class usually decides who lives and who dies in these sort of scenarios, but I do think that in these forums, there is blatant racism going on. If poor people in a white area of North Carolina couldn't have made it out before a hurricane, there wouldn't been calls that they stayed because they wanted to loot or that they stayed before they are spoiled by welfare or stayed so they could take up arms against the police, etc, etc.
dphantom
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I've not seen any blatant racism in this forum. Not sure how you identify compassionate conservatives, maybe you are profiling???
Just so you are clear, I have no problem with your racist remarks, they are words only and I choose to ignore them. I prefer to argue with facts, logic and reason than emotionally loaded statements that serrve only to inflame and not persuade.
If you can rise to that level, I would welcome a debate.
Deudalas, you have taken the effort to reach out to all us, and you have our attention. Most of us are sitting back in the comfort of our homes, analyzing a tragedy from afar.
Since you have the ability to start this discussion, I'm going to assume that you are in a safe place.
Would you tell us your story? Where are you? How did you get out? Please tell us what you're thinking.
This is only an internet forum- but if you consider Anandtech a community, then we need to know what you have experienced.
Since you have the ability to start this discussion, I'm going to assume that you are in a safe place.
Would you tell us your story? Where are you? How did you get out? Please tell us what you're thinking.
This is only an internet forum- but if you consider Anandtech a community, then we need to know what you have experienced.
According to one person in this thread, the death of one person is equal to the deaths of thousands of people. Why should the US government react any differently if that is your belief system?
Vic
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Are you referring to me? I could see where an ignorant and callous person could interpret that to mean that the deaths of thousands are not important, but actually that belief system is to stress the paramount priceless importance of the single life of the least of individuals. IME it is those who have no love of life, who see no importance in the life of one, who require the deaths of multitudes in order to feel the shock of mortality and its tragedy (and sometimes not even then, as this particular tragedy has so clearly demonstrated with those whose only desire is to use it for their own ends).
And who is the government but ourselves? Why do you people hold out the government as some type of 3rd party, some type of hesitant diety to scapegoat? Very odd.
I am speaking for a lot of tax-paying Americans when I say that we just don't care about the bottom-feeders living in N.O. The ones who are on government welfare and are not productive. They take, take, take from us hard-working tax-paying Americans and only produce more babies so they can get more welfare money. Just look at all of the news stations. 99% of the people who weren't smart enough to leave N.O. are black people on welfare.
I am writing what many of you here and what a lot of my fellow Americans are thinking - let them die. Crime has already gone up in the areas where the N.O. refugees have been bussed to. My compassion and condolences go to the people in Houston and the other cities that have to take in these people. As for the people of N.O. both rich and poor - what the hell where you thinking living BELOW SEA LEVEL in a HURRICANE area??
You are no longer welcome here.
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I just don't get people like you. You must either have a funny way of getting your jollies, or you're just a pathetic little person. Either way, Anand must want drama on his boards these days. Why else has your sorry @ss not been booted?
Look, not everyone in the US thinks that everyone else is worth saving or worth living. Are you honestly that naive? Have you seen the effects of bussing poor black (which very, very often means undisciplined and violent) kids into average and above-average white neighborhoods? It brings in crime. That is what is happening RIGHT NOW in the surrounding cities of N.O. that are takin in these people.
Don Vito Corleone
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I'd like to see you banned, today, permanently. No warning, no vacation, just out for good. You're a skunk and don't belong in civilized company.
Well I have to give you something - at least you are being honest. I have a feeling a good amount of the population of these boards and our leadership feel the same way but just won't say it.
Just STFU.
Seriously
Leave this place and never return. Better yet, leave this country as it's not meant for depraved individuals like you.
Your hatred is not wanted here.
THANK YOU (for letting me speak my mind). What have I done wrong - speak my opinion that doesn't jive with some of you? How would you like it if your nice neighborhood suddenly had a bunch of low-income / poor refugees dumped on you? Are you willing to open up your homes to them? How many of you have extra bedrooms? Go ahead - there are organizations looking to pair up displaced low-income / poor families with people willing to take them in.
Banning the TRUTH of what a very good percentage of Americans feel won't make it go away. Instead, people should be looking into why those people are low-income and poor to begin with. I blamed socialism and the "I'm a victim" attitude. Look at their mayor - he's black as well and what did he do? He fled the area leaving behind "his people" to fend for himself and now blames Bush. Where's the personal responsibility?
What does a bigoted, racist asshat like you call a "very good percentage"? 0.01%? Even that is 0.01% WAY TOO many.
It's people like you that give human beings a bad name.
It's people like you that give human beings a bad name.
See I don't have a problem with socialism or letting people board.
I do appreciate that you don't try to hide behind some veiled ideals though.
I would like to thank you personally for proving the point I made earlier in this thread with such eloquence.
Edit: Oh, btw, go crawl back into your cave.
I'm quite sure a lot of the Libertarians and Republicans here believe the same thing but don't have the balls to say it. With the exception of people like Vic and Gunslinger (at least I think so).
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