Could the Third Time Be the Charm on Impeachment?

[Pens1566]

Take off the fucking blinders, moron:

Excellent retort. I think we're done here ...

 

[cytg111]

Him and holder have been working on de-gerrymandering districts for a while now with some success. He’s not all talk.

Rando fuxed up thought of the week, if Trump manages to legalize running for a third term, maybe Obama could too?

 

[Muse]

Rando fuxed up thought of the week, if Trump manages to legalize running for a third term, maybe Obama could too?

And finally drive a stake through the vampire's heart.

 

[ivwshane]

Rando fuxed up thought of the week, if Trump manages to legalize running for a third term, maybe Obama could too?

I doubt it. One side plays by the rules and norms and the other doesn’t. However if you ask a maga they’ll tell you both sides are the same and democrats will do or have done what republicans are doing. It’s a lopsided fight and I’m not sure the solution is to violate the rules but what are the alternatives?

 

[nakedfrog]

Rando fuxed up thought of the week, if Trump manages to legalize running for a third term, maybe Obama could too?

They'd likely specifically do it such that it only prevents you from serving two consecutive terms to keep him out. But more likely is just probably declaring an emergency to suspend voting. That would probably spark major protests, then martial law.
No guarantees, but it's one way it could play out.

 

[Muse]

They'd likely specifically do it such that it only prevents you from serving two three consecutive terms to keep him out. But more likely is just probably declaring an emergency to suspend voting. That would probably spark major protests, then martial law.
No guarantees, but it's one way it could play out.

FTFY

I don't think anybody has much of an idea what kind of mess we'll be in summer of 2028.

 

[Pens1566]

They'd likely specifically do it such that it only prevents you from serving two consecutive terms to keep him out. But more likely is just probably declaring an emergency to suspend voting. That would probably spark major protests, then martial law.
No guarantees, but it's one way it could play out.

That was EXACTLY what they put forth in the house earlier this session. Sponsored by Ogles (TN) I believe.

Limits to 2 consecutive terms, so it would prevent Obama, Clinton, Bush from qualifying.

 

[Sonikku]

Wouldn't matter. It couldn't be done the first time and his chokehold is ten times greater than it was then. If anything, I could see some turncoat Dems like Fetterman and Co voting not guilty. Even if dems swung both chambers though and even if every dem voted guilty it wouldn't matter in the Senate as it still wouldn't be enough. And frankly, even if it was, he basically wouldn't leave anyway and would sooner have any judge that says otherwise shot. Remember that Trump vs US is a thing now and we haven't seen the worst yet out of this administration by a mile.

 

[Greenman]

Rando fuxed up thought of the week, if Trump manages to legalize running for a third term, maybe Obama could too?

If he got the constitutional amendment passed any prior president could run again.

 

[fskimospy]

If he got the constitutional amendment passed any prior president could run again.

He isn’t going to get an amendment passed he’s going to argle bargle because it isn’t a legal question but a political one.

And staking this out right now. If you think he is leaving in 2029 you are comically naive. It will either be him or he will attempt to install a successor.

Anyone with a brain knows this.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I want him gone or deceased, and I want him or those beneath him charged with every crime and violation of law they've perpetrated. Otherwise, he's leaving our country in tatters if he leaves at all.

 

[Pens1566]

He isn’t going to get an amendment passed he’s going to argle bargle because it isn’t a legal question but a political one.

And staking this out right now. If you think he is leaving in 2029 you are comically naive. It will either be him or he will attempt to install a successor.

Anyone with a brain knows this.

My best guess (if there is an election in '26) is that the results in favor of Ds will be contested, and that Johnson will not seat the incoming house members because of "irregularities". After that, all bets are off, and it doesn't really matter what happens next. We're done.

 

[fskimospy]

My best guess (if there is an election in '26) is that the results in favor of Ds will be contested, and that Johnson will not seat the incoming house members because of "irregularities". After that, all bets are off, and it doesn't really matter what happens next. We're done.

Johnson doesn’t have that power as he would also need to be seated. The clerk of the house does the seating and that’s not an elected member.

 

[Muse]

Johnson doesn’t have that power as he would also need to be seated. The clerk of the house does the seating and that’s not an elected member.

Checks and balances. I'm hoping there are enough of them in the right places to keep the USA reasonably functional and survive the rapids we're in for. Naive? Maybe. I don't know that anyone knows what's coming.

 

[Brainonska511]

Checks and balances. I'm hoping there are enough of them in the right places to keep the USA reasonably functional and survive the rapids we're in for. Naive? Maybe. I don't know that anyone knows what's coming.

It's been pretty clear from both House and Senate republicans, they have no interest in doing "what's best" and protecting their institutional power.

 

[Pens1566]

Johnson doesn’t have that power as he would also need to be seated. The clerk of the house does the seating and that’s not an elected member.

According to the rules, yes. But if you think they follow the rules ...

As an add-on to the above scenario, they would then declare additional emergency powers based on the reaction/protest/riots that would certainly come from stopping the normal constitutional turnover.

 

[fskimospy]

According to the rules, yes. But if you think they follow the rules ...

As an add-on to the above scenario, they would then declare additional emergency powers based on the reaction/protest/riots that would certainly come from stopping the normal constitutional turnover.

My thought would be that once you're at that level of violation of the rules the whole 'Johnson will refuse to seat them' becomes sort of meaningless as it's just a coup attempt then. Not that it's above them but I wouldn't want to give it the veneer of legality as if they can supposedly refuse to seat people.

 

[Muse]

I just think it's troubling -- horrifying -- that the chances of a successful impeachment removal are questionable at best.

In this country, with the promises we'd been sold since grammar school, we should be able to get rid of a dangerous person like Trump by means other than a 2028 election.

Any rational sane honest person, every one, should agree with this statement. What are we to do?

 

[Muse]

My best guess (if there is an election in '26) is that the results in favor of Ds will be contested, and that Johnson will not seat the incoming house members because of "irregularities". After that, all bets are off, and it doesn't really matter what happens next. We're done.

I don't see that happening. Johnson is weak and fears being an actual leader. But he is not exactly a Trump sycophant and won't just do as told by the authoritarian. Even if it means he will no longer be SOTH.

 

[ivwshane]

I don't see that happening. Johnson is weak and fears being an actual leader. But he is not exactly a Trump sycophant and won't just do as told by the authoritarian.

lol really?

 

[ch33zw1z]

lol really?

Agreed. johnson will push whatever authoritarian measures he can. Especially if theyre part of p2025

 

[fskimospy]

lol really?

I'm still unclear as to how you guys think Johnson is going to deny seating people when he will not be speaker at the time.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Johnson doesn’t have that power as he would also need to be seated. The clerk of the house does the seating and that’s not an elected member.

The current Clerk of House is McCumber who was nominated to the position by Kevin McCarthy. I don't know much about his politics, but the GOP put him in that position.

 

[Greenman]

I want him gone or deceased, and I want him or those beneath him charged with every crime and violation of law they've perpetrated. Otherwise, he's leaving our country in tatters if he leaves at all.

He'll pull a Biden stunt and pardon everyone in his cabinet and all of his friends.

 

[Fenixgoon]

He'll pull a Biden stunt and pardon everyone in his cabinet and all of his friends.

every accusation is a confession.

Yes, I know Biden pardoned some people including his son.
Mind you, plenty of prosecutors have stated that Hunter's case would have been plead out at minor charges had his last name not been "Biden".

But to say that Biden's pardons are somehow anywhere close to what trump has done, or will do, is absolute bullshit.