Could Iran be next

[shiner]

Why do you keep asking questions without using a question mark.

The only other person I've seen fail at question mark usage like this was banned troll DVK916/StatsManD/UCDAggies (a guy named Doug from California, incidentally). He also talked about destroying WalMart and other large corporations like you did earlier in this thread. And spammed the board with socialist bullshit much like your healthcare thread.

But of course you're new here, so that must just be a coincidence.

LOL

 

[shiner]

I have already been on long record that the Iranian Mullahs control of Iran will go sooner or later.

Whoa there Nostradamus! That's quite the bold statement. LOL!

 

[Lemon law]

Whoa there Nostradamus! That's quite the bold statement. LOL!

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Sorry to shock you shiner, the Mullahs that control Israel have limited shelf life too.

 

[ThatsABigOne]

I think you have it backwards. Iran is not going to follow Egypt, Egypt is going to follow what happened in the 1970s in Iran. It will become more Islamic and extreme and cut itself off more from the west.

That is what I worry about. Ruining peace with Israel is very threatening to world security.

 

[Karl Agathon]

That is what I worry about. Ruining peace with Israel is very threatening to world security.

Israels conventional and nuclear forces should be on full alert. That being said, I think its safe to say most Egyptians on the street care more about feeding their families, being employed and stability more then attacking Israel. All those Egyptians didnt march on the streets to regain ther freedoms just to suffer great losses as they would with a war with Israel.

 

[guyver01]

Could Iran be the next place we see a real progress in freedom and democracy.

Not a chance.

The only reason the protests worked in Egypt was because the military refused to follow the government orders to kill the protesters.

Look at China.... these "protests" started decades ago with Tianamen Square. The only difference? The military had no issue killing the protesters.

Iran will depend on whether the military will refuse to obey their orders.

My guess? We'll see alot of dead civilians if they try anything in iran.

 

[Lemon law]

Not a chance.

The only reason the protests worked in Egypt was because the military refused to follow the government orders to kill the protesters.

Look at China.... these "protests" started decades ago with Tianamen Square. The only difference? The military had no issue killing the protesters.

Iran will depend on whether the military will refuse to obey their orders.

My guess? We'll see alot of dead civilians if they try anything in iran.

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We still saw a lot of dead civilians in Egypt, but they were killed by Egyptian police thugs and State workers under the thumb of Mubarak.

The mistake perhaps inherit in this thread is that an Islamic revolt is any different from any other revolt any where in the world.

The thing to note in these Islamic revolts that are spreading to all countries in the mid-east, is that these current revolts are being spearheaded by new younger educated leaders, who are interested mainly by the idea that the economic corruption of past mid-east leaders must be eliminated. And as some of these revolts succeed, those regimes that do not transition will be increasingly out of step with their neighbors.

As for Egypt, their transition seems to be proceeding smoothly.

 

[Zebo]

I don't think Iran will be next because they still shoot people and cut their heads off like they did during and after failed Green Revolution. Fear is a powerful motivator to STFU.

A tiny minority of extremists who have God in their side can control whole countries and large populations for a very long time. Hitler proved this, South American Junta's proved this, Taliban proved this and Iran is proving it. You see most people just want to live and dying for an idea is harder said than done so they STFU if you start killing them off.

 

[bamacre]

Whoa there Nostradamus! That's quite the bold statement. LOL!

Oh, he is correct. There is one thing the Iranian gov't cannot control. Time. Iran's youth is of a majority, and they are much more socially liberal compared to those in charge.

 

[Zebo]

Oh, he is correct. There is one thing the Iranian gov't cannot control. Time. Iran's youth is of a majority, and they are much more socially liberal compared to those in charge.

Some are some are not. There are 500,000 children who have Qu'ran memorized. I don't consider that book liberal. They are the ones recruited into 2M strong Republican Guard. They are the one who are willing to die and kill in Gods name.

I never say never but it won't be easy or without significant blood flowing down the streets.

 

[JS80]

You missed the point...

The point is that we need to introduce them to consumerism and a free market economy etc etc. When they become busy buying bigger and better things and trying to keep up with the Ali's then they will be too busy to kill us infidels.

what would be the purpose of having an islamic revolution to replace an islamic revolution?

So our wishes backfire on us and we can then fight Muslim countries with a thriving economy aka lots of money they want to kill the Jews with. Or it can turn into Turkey.

 

[bamacre]

Some are some are not. There are 500,000 children who have Qu'ran memorized. I don't consider that book liberal. They are the ones recruited into 2M strong Republican Guard. They are the one who are willing to die and kill in Gods name.

No army is stronger than an idea. Liberalism may not come to Iran this year, or in this decade, but it's an inevitability, IMHO.

 

[Zebo]

LOL Muslim countries with thriving economy are oxymorons. Why strive when at any moment God can step in, on whim and decide your fate - for you will inshallah fail or inshallah succeed nothing you can do about it. From liberty comes invention not total regulation of life and explanation of the universe Islam offers. Sorry, if it weren't for accident of geology they would all look like Yemen. The degree of success they have is directly proportional to how Islamic they arnt.

This goes with Christianity too - hence the Dark ages.

 

[JS80]

No army is stronger than an idea. Liberalism may not come to Iran this year, or in this decade, but it's an inevitability, IMHO.

Nothing is inevitable at that micro a level. Look at the extremest of the extreme - NK has successfully created a slave society.

But I agree with you on Iran. I think it's inevitable, even in Iran.

 

[shiner]

Oh, he is correct. There is one thing the Iranian gov't cannot control. Time. Iran's youth is of a majority, and they are much more socially liberal compared to those in charge.

Oh I know...my point was exactly that. He's making the prediction like it is some balls to the wall bold prediction when in fact it is not. All that is needed it time. How much time? Who knows? A truly bold prediction would be placing at date of their fall, not "sooner or later."

 

[dmcowen674]

Oh I know...my point was exactly that. He's making the prediction like it is some balls to the wall bold prediction when in fact it is not. All that is needed it time. How much time? Who knows? A truly bold prediction would be placing at date of their fall, not "sooner or later."

What difference does it make?

History will show you were always wrong anyway.

 

[shiner]

What difference does it make?

History will show you were always wrong anyway.

Because he has been "long on record" that they will fall sooner or later. Ohhhhh....wow we all should bow to that sort of precognition.

If anyone knows something about being proven wrong it would be you. Now waddle off like a good boy and go eat your Valentine Twinkie.

 

[dmcowen674]

The point is that we need to introduce them to consumerism and a free market economy etc etc.

There is no free market economy

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yup. This is nothing new in the scheme of the middle east. Anyone thinking a better, more progressive government is going to result is kidding themselves.

The situation in Egypt is unique to the middle east!
Mubarek was one of the Egyptian militarys own!
Plus the Egyptian military actually cares it would seem for the people and imapathise with them.

You take Iran for example totally different situation and totally different people in control.
Also Iran doesn`t give a crap about international opinion!
If the people rise up they will be put down! End of story!

As is probably the same scenario all over the middle east!

Don`t get me wrong -- I am happy to see the people of Egypt take a stand.
But this is an exception to the rule. Anywhere else tear gas and bullets would be flying!!

 

[hal2kilo]

The situation in Egypt is unique to the middle east!
Mubarek was one of the Egyptian militarys own!
Plus the Egyptian military actually cares it would seem for the people and imapathise with them.

You take Iran for example totally different situation and totally different people in control.
Also Iran doesn`t give a crap about international opinion!
If the people rise up they will be put down! End of story!

As is probably the same scenario all over the middle east!

Don`t get me wrong -- I am happy to see the people of Egypt take a stand.
But this is an exception to the rule. Anywhere else tear gas and bullets would be flying!!

Depends on how many and who i.e. children of the elite are willing to die in demostrations. Only when the power elite feel the pain, will the state be moved.

 

[nageov3t]

The situation in Egypt is unique to the middle east!
Mubarek was one of the Egyptian militarys own!
Plus the Egyptian military actually cares it would seem for the people and imapathise with them.

You take Iran for example totally different situation and totally different people in control.
Also Iran doesn`t give a crap about international opinion!
If the people rise up they will be put down! End of story!

As is probably the same scenario all over the middle east!

Don`t get me wrong -- I am happy to see the people of Egypt take a stand.
But this is an exception to the rule. Anywhere else tear gas and bullets would be flying!!

Egypt has compulsory military service.

that makes for a much different military than one that's bought and paid for by the government.

 

[Kadarin]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/15/iran.protests/index.html?hpt=T2

Iranian lawmakers calling for the executions of protest leaders. I suspect the government of Iran isn't going to be toppled anytime soon.

 

[JEDIYoda]

That is what I worry about. Ruining peace with Israel is very threatening to world security.

seriously or were you being sarcastic??

 

[JEDIYoda]

Depends on how many and who i.e. children of the elite are willing to die in demostrations. Only when the power elite feel the pain, will the state be moved.

You know have a point if this was a European government as such...
But I am afraid that for the elite as you call them that family members mean nothing when it comes to power!!~!!

 

[WHAMPOM]

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/1...ches-leading-up-to-planned-rally-sources-say/

After the success of the Egyptian rally could we see a emergence of the green movement in Iran. Could Iran be the next place we see a real progress in freedom and democracy.

I hope so, lets hope for a ripple effect and a toppling of dictators everywhere.

Iran was a secular democracy fifty years ago. but "friendly" dictators are easier to control. Where was the US support for the protestors in Iran a few years ago?