Could Iran be next

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Lemon law

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The other question in my mind is why the this forum and the United States Government has such a giant snit against Iran. When all Iran has basically done is to give the ole US installed Shah of Iran the ole heave ho. But maybe, Iran's worst crime is in being able to thrive despite all the mean and nasty stuff the USA has tried to do to destabilize Iran. (1) After the Shah fell, Saddam Hussein became our man in the mid-east to delimit Iran. As Dumsfeld encouraged Saddam to arm up and helped Saddam buy illegal WMD. And then when Saddam invaded Iran, the USA helped persuade other nations not sell Iran even the arms to defend itself. But at the cost of the bulk of two generations of its men, Iran barely survived. (2) Meanwhile the USA has rebuffed every Iranian attempt to improve relations. Which has hurt the credibility of Iranian moderates and increased the electability of Iranian extremists like Achmadinjad. (3) On 911, while many Arab nations had its people dancing in the street in support of Al-Quida, Iran came out in favor of the USA. In terms of its Jewish community, Iran is the only mid-east country that did not ape the Israeli expelling of its Palestinians with the expelling of their Jews.

As for Saddam Huessein, he and Noreiga committed a sin far graver than any possible sin, because as far as the USA is concerned, there is no greater sin than a tin pot dictator not staying bought. Which may have grave long term Israeli implications, because the USA has done much to buy Israel. And when Israel instead thinks they own the USA, and say fuck you to a settlement freeze, Israel may be inching toward the end fates of Saddam Hussein.

As for Iran, it still the decider of its own foreign policy. If anything, recent Saudi hostility to Iran is solely due to the USA transforming Iraq into a Shia dominated nation. And perhaps a lot of the Turkish motivation to change its mid-east policy is due to that same US invasion of Iraq. And as the Mid-east is seeming on the verge of a total transformation now, the USA has lost almost all cred in terms of effecting change desirable to the USA.
 

chucky2

Lifer
Dec 9, 1999
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Iran was a secular democracy fifty years ago. but "friendly" dictators are easier to control. Where was the US support for the protestors in Iran a few years ago?

The Muslim, and rest of the, world wanted the US to stop interjecting itself into the affairs of other countries, so, we stayed out. Everyone should be happy that we did, right?
 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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No, iran will not be next.

Reason: The Basij army is willing, able, and has in the past used live ammunition on protesters.

This. When you got God on your side you can do anything.

And speaking of "next" I've only seen one so far, Tunisia and by all appearances they are just trading one yoke for another. Egypt is still run by same powers than has ran it for 60 years.
 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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The other question in my mind is why the this forum and the United States Government has such a giant snit against Iran. When all Iran has basically done is to give the ole US installed Shah of Iran the ole heave ho. But maybe, Iran's worst crime is in being able to thrive despite all the mean and nasty stuff the USA has tried to do to destabilize Iran. (1) After the Shah fell, Saddam Hussein became our man in the mid-east to delimit Iran. As Dumsfeld encouraged Saddam to arm up and helped Saddam buy illegal WMD. And then when Saddam invaded Iran, the USA helped persuade other nations not sell Iran even the arms to defend itself. But at the cost of the bulk of two generations of its men, Iran barely survived. (2) Meanwhile the USA has rebuffed every Iranian attempt to improve relations. Which has hurt the credibility of Iranian moderates and increased the electability of Iranian extremists like Achmadinjad. (3) On 911, while many Arab nations had its people dancing in the street in support of Al-Quida, Iran came out in favor of the USA. In terms of its Jewish community, Iran is the only mid-east country that did not ape the Israeli expelling of its Palestinians with the expelling of their Jews.

As for Saddam Huessein, he and Noreiga committed a sin far graver than any possible sin, because as far as the USA is concerned, there is no greater sin than a tin pot dictator not staying bought. Which may have grave long term Israeli implications, because the USA has done much to buy Israel. And when Israel instead thinks they own the USA, and say fuck you to a settlement freeze, Israel may be inching toward the end fates of Saddam Hussein.

As for Iran, it still the decider of its own foreign policy. If anything, recent Saudi hostility to Iran is solely due to the USA transforming Iraq into a Shia dominated nation.
And perhaps a lot of the Turkish motivation to change its mid-east policy is due to that same US invasion of Iraq. And as the Mid-east is seeming on the verge of a total transformation now, the USA has lost almost all cred in terms of effecting change desirable to the USA.

Your such an ignorant fool LL you ought keep your mouth shut so people won't know how stupid you really are. The whole diatribe but I'll address the bolded because only you're generally a waste of breath.

The Shi'a Sunni warfare goes all the way back to 754 when plans to enthrone the Shi'ite Jafar As-Siddiq as caliph were violently nixed when Jafar was murdered by the Sunni Al-Mansur who then became caliph causing war with Al-Mansur the victor.

In 972 Shi'ite Fatimids conquer Sunni Egypt and fight for 50 years until they rule all of North Africa and Middle east.

Then about 100 years later there is a revolt and bloody war lasting another 50 when Sunnis Nuraddin and Saladin seize Egypt, ending Shi'ite Fatimid rule.

~1500 Shi'a take control of Persia killing off most Sunni or converting them.

1514 War between the Sunni Ottoman Turks and the Shi'ite Persian Safavids.

1623 - Another war between the Sunni Ottoman Turks and the Shi'ite Persian Safavids. This time in Iraq and the Safavids captured Baghdad in 1624 and war continues until Ottomans recaptured it in 1638.

And much much more
http://www.zum.de/whkmla/military/asmin/milxottomananatolia.html

No I'm afraid you just don't understand the hatred that has been there for 1400 years with virtually unending violence to determine who leads Islam. If we supply one side or another that is an issue that can come back and haunt us but America did not cause it. It's like blaming guns for murder.